Brad: Final Tuned

Thanks alot for the article, lots of news. I love that they named his 2p sabakipunch gazelle upper. Dempseyroll, flickerjab and gazelle punch makes him really straight out of the Hajime no Ippo anime.

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The chances to use the neck-grapple has increased a huge amount. This was introduced in the previous issue, on CH the can link into the neck-grapple (except when hitting with the tip) The other properties of the move haven't changed so it's definitely a good option in ni-taku.

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'sup? This is the second time I've read of this as a new thing and I don't really understand it (can someone explain). He can link from his to catch in Evo aswell on a CH. Can you or anybody ellaborate on this Myke?

 

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KiwE said:

'sup? This is the second time I've read of this as a new thing and I don't really understand it (can someone explain). He can link from his to catch in Evo aswell on a CH. Can you or anybody ellaborate on this Myke?

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The transition to the neck catch has been changed, it is very fast now and looks a whole lot better. I think they're trying to imply that because of this the neck catch has become more useful since it won't "miss" nearly as much.

On another note: those without VF.Net machines (like TO) can't try out the rising elbow or flicker jab and they are not the default moves /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Also I had a hell of a time geting the 4th hit out of the sway back combo.


kbcat

 

Thanks.

So is the neck catch more garanteed in situations / less counterable now that it's faster confirmed (I mean attackwise)? The catch itself doesn't have any new options / harder to get out of right? Btw is it just me or does his seem to have longer reach now?

Thanks alot for the info Kbcat, sucks pretty hard you guys can't use changemoves - Brads changemoves seem to be very intresting (not to mention things like bringing back the knee to wolf and all of the other fun).

Don't forget to have fun with chargeable knee from ducking against those who QR's anyways /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

/KiwE

 

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KiwE said:

Don't forget to have fun with chargeable knee from ducking against those who QR's anyways /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif


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Brad's charge knee can lead to some extremely damaging combos. Against Llan's Pai I landed:

(ducking)[charge] - + - (ducking)

for huge damage. Brad has defintely been tuned for the better -- even without being able to choose A2/B2 for his change moves.


kbcat -- Lion has been tuned up as well. Its nice when sega improves the two characters that I play /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Blimey

style combos of chargeknee???! 95dmg is yesthx. Was it fully charged / MC or what??

Edit: Fuck this, I'm going back to playing Brad.

/KiwE

 

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KiwE said:

style combos of chargeknee???! 95dmg is yesthx. Was it fully charged / MC or what??

Edit: Fuck this, I'm going back to playing Brad.

/KiwE

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It was a fully charged YC against Pai (I believe Llan mistimed the inashi attempt). Think big damage on RC+ /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif


kbcat

 

Re: sway back P+KPK df+K

I was messing with the sway back 4 hit move. The timing isn't nearly has hard as Kage's upper of course, but the timing for the last kick is kinda tricky.

You can delay each attack ('cept for the last one) for a good amount of time. It seems you need to input df+K a little bit after the 1st kick connects. If you do it using the same timing as the hit throw->neck grab, then you're doing it too fast.

Brad is definitely better than before. I found him hard to control initially in FT. The new stuff seems to make him crazier. Took me a little while to get used to him.

db+P is a pretty cool move too. It causes leg crumple on big counter. Haven't found out if there are any big damage followups, but b, f K+G and D,b + K connect w/o any problems. Seems like you're too far away to get a D+p after the crumple though.

I've also been using A2 and B2. They seem to be really good moves. When A2 knocks the opponent on their ass, you can run up and pressure with throw or middle attack. Most of the time people tend to struggle out and fuzzy guard. However, if the opponent doesn't struggle (for whatever reason) then a second A2 will float them pretty high.

Still experimenting with B2. Not sure when to use it. Once people realize that you have it set, then they tend to D+p you when you sway to the side. I guess that's more of a reason to mix it up with sway->knee and sway->middle kick since with B2 the opponent knows he doesn't have to worry about the quick mid punch to the gut.

Well, that's it for now.

 

Re: sway back P+KPK df+K

Has Brad's swaying motion been sped up at all and what hit effect is it now when he gets hit while swaying?

 

FT Brad questions regarding the recent movelist / combo guide!

Oki, first of all. What does it say /mean in the last thing decribed for Brad in the comboguide (page 31 in the .pdf document)? I mean the three images that end with a stagger.

Second; the (just noticed the K was semicircular = nice) combo is decribed as an option on + knockdowns as a combo (option 4). Is the against certain weights / has good RO potenial / what's the damage like / will it cause the opponent to fall facedown on wallhit?

Third; since the CH catch etc is now basicly a hitthrow (right?) and you can do + at once to get the third hit... well in Evo if you go HC for the as you're performing the catch it's very hard (if even possible) to avoid getting hit by the first knee so can do the + at once going in the same way (and get a knockdown with a oki situation)?

Fourth; is it possible to use the as Oki? A true low which would punish someone offensive + semicircular. If you don't do the recommended +, followup on LC+ (and instead do something like ) do they fall face down then (backstagger etc setup)? That is does the +, followup change them midair?

Btw; Has someone experimented in using the rising elbow from stepping? I've thought about doing / abusing that alot and on paper it looks so good with the reach/speed/advantage on all hits and only -4 on gaurd /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

KKthx for help and sorry for hassling ._.

/KiwE

 

A few more questions regarding Brad.

Thanks alot for the answers. I can't wait to play with FT Brad. Had totally missed that the only crumbles on HC! (Ouch) >_< -14 on gaurd for a lowattack like that is actually very nice though - just have trouble visualising it as a HC.

About the sabaki. It seems very unpunishable on failure (since the gazelle upper doesn't come out) - is it?

I just noticed in the movelist that now is -2 on LC (!) while still +1 on normalhit. Wtf's the deal with making it -2 on LC??? Doesn't bode well and might lead to alot of 2p as soon as is gaurded or am I interpeting wrong? Any thoughts (I take it you can't slip the 2p at -3 when the is gaurded even though the slips seem better)? Is it to force more mixups (ducking > sabaki etc) with not doing the knee or something that's the thought?

/KiwE

 

<font color="white"> Brad Burns </font>

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<font color="white">Overview</font>

During VF4EVO, Brad was a character with tricky movements and good strike attack damage potential; but his throw game was weak, he lacked moves from crouching, and it was easy to stop his special movements with a low punch. With these weaknesses, matches often become difficult battles. In Final Tuned, those weaknesses have mostly been addressed. Among the changes, a low punch sabaki from his special movements of which can be followed up with a combo has vastly strengthened Brad. On top of that, a charge move and new from crouch move have been added, thus making Brad a character with an easier offense compared to before.
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<font color="white">Change moves</font>

A1 Rising Upper

A mid attack with middle kick class execution, floats the opponent on counter hit. Throw counterable on guard. The main use is to punish the opponent’s attempt to interrupt at +4, its value is its ability to float the opponent for combo.

A2 Rising Elbow

The main use of this move is a follow up after a lp hit. In this case, the move is uncounterable on guard, and if you counter hit, you can stagger the opponent. Against an opponent who struggles, you can go for +; against someone who doesn’t struggle, you can go for +.

B1 Body Break (Slipping Left)

Mid attack that crumples on normal hit, uncounterable on guard, and can beat an evade attempt when you are at advantage. You should use this move when spaced apart from you opponent.

B2 Flicker Jab ~ Chopping Blow (Slipping Left)

A high mid series where the second hit can be charged. If the second hit is executed immediately, the series is a true combo, and it leaves Brad at advantage. On guard it is mid weight counterable. If maximum charged second hit is guarded, it puts Brad at about +3, from which you can attack.

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<font color="white">New Moves and Key Changes</font>

- Last is two mid knee hits, if the first knee hits, second one is guaranteed and knocks down. On guard, it is middle kick counterable.

- Low attack at opponent’s feet. This move is elbow counterable on guard, and on normal hit Brad is at -6. There are some uses for this move because Brad is considered ducking at execution. On heavy counter it causes a foot crumble from which you can combo.

- On guard it is elbow counterable, otherwise same as before.

- Motion for this move has been renewed, it now causes stagger on a crouching opponent. When this happens, Brad has a very good opportunity for BT .

(on counter) + - The motion for the middle kick is changed, and the catch throw after is now changed into a hit throw. This makes the catch much more reliable compared to before, the effect of the catch itself remains the same as before.

- This move does not float on light counter, only medium counter or higher.

(slipping right or left) + - Mid level hook attack that goes to slipping right, so you can do this move over and over again.

(sway back) + (on hit or guard) - With the fastest input, first two high hits are a true combo. On the third mid kick, you can go for the fourth mid kick if it hits or is guarded. Since the third hit is throw counterable, you should always go for the fourth hit, which is uncounterable.

(sway back) + - A low kick attack from sway back. On counter hit it causes a foot crumple, but since Brad will do a pose, you can not do any follow up attacks.

(ducking) (max charge) - When this move hits, it will cause Brad’s highest float, so you should go for the biggest combo possible. On guard, it causes a stagger from which + is guaranteed. Since it can be hard to hit check this move for hit or stagger, it’s a good idea to always go for + and combo from there.

(ducking) + - Brad’s new low punch sabaki. On successful sabaki, you can go for the follow up. Furthermore, since Brad has a very large advantage on successful sabaki, you can even do a forward dash into . When you failed to do the follow up, that is something you can do instead.

(ducking) + (on successful sabaki) - Floater after successful low punch sabaki.

+ - The animation when the opponent escapes this throw has been changed so that Brad is a little further away from the opponent. This makes defensive tech a bit easier and less risk of a throw from the opponent.

+ - If the opponent is thrown into a wall, now they take 22 damage.


Other Notes: on crouching opponent now leaves Brad at even. From his neck catch, you can now do + at anytime; this is the same move as the third from neck catch, which can now be TR’ed for less damage.

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<font color="white">Execution Frames for Key Moves</font>

12
14
+ 14
15
(A2) 15
(A1) 16
16
+ 16
+ 16
17
17
17
+ 17
+ 18
21

<font color="white">Counter Table</font>

-12 (Can only hit standing opponent)
-14
+ -14 (Can only hit standing opponent)
+ -16
+ -16
-17
-23


Source: Virtua Fighter 4 Final Tuned Master Guide

 

Brad Combo Maniacs
Orange Mook
Text - Kurita
Translation - Noodalls

Ducking maximum charge or or or Ducking counter hit/first crouching hit or Ducking + sabaki or or medium counter or counter hit

1. slipping left (B2)
2. ducking
3. slipping left
4. ducking
5. + +
6.
7. +
8.
9. +

The combos from each of Brad's floats are his main damage source. Looks at the combo list, and then choose your big damage option. Essentially, the combo starters are listed in terms of heigh, and the combo followups are listed in terms of damage. About the followups, there are three things that you must remember. Firstly, in situations like the hitting on counter hit, 1 connects on light weights. The last hit is a slam hit, so if the opponent fails to tech roll, a ground attack will connect, making it big damage that is hard to avoid. The next thing to remember is when the hits on normal hit 5 will connect on light weights. It will also connect on middle weights on counter hit, and also for light weights floated by . One more thing, taking a from combo 7. This is something done often when connects on normal hit against middle weights. Against heavy weights, you take off one and swap the + for +.

medium counter or greater
10. ducking (A1) +
11. ducking +
12. ducking +
13. ducking +
14. slipping left (B2)

If you go into ducking following the you can go for stronger combos than you could otherwise. Specifically, against light weights if you connect combo 10 (in either foot stance) you get about 80 damage. The next biggest damage combo 11, will connect up to middleweight class if in closed stance after the hit. If in open stance you can go for instead of +, so determine which one to go for after the . But, in that case the damage is less than that of 12, which connects up to middle weights, so be careful. Against heavy weights, for whom combo 12 won't connect, use combo 13. Combo 14 is in itself small damage, but ends with a slam hit, so you can try for a large pounce. If the is guarded, you can go into slipping right and use strings, which is special.

+ or + or counter hit
15.
16.
17. +
17. +

With many chances to combo from a slam hit, go for combo 15 in open stance and 16 in closed stance. But, combo 16 won't connect on heavy weights, and also, after the + you need to delay the a little for it to connect. In that case, although the damage drops a little, 17 is easier to connec,t so maybe it would be better not to try too hard and use this instead. Finally, combo 18 is for where combo 17 won't connect: against heavy weights in closed stance.

Slipping right
19. ducking
20.
21. slipping left (B2)

After getting the head crumple from slipping right , the basic combo to use against everyone is 20. 19 is a combo to use in open stance between Sarah and Jacky. But, even though there's the need to check footstance, there isn't much change in damage. If you're bad at checking footstance, go for combo 20. Combo 21 has a slam hit, so you can try for the large pounce.

BT +
22. BT

Slipping left (B1)
23. +
24.

After stomach crumple from Slipping left (B1), 23 is the biggest damage available. However, connecting the requires very tight timing, so 24 is a lot easy to connect.
Also, against heavy weights you can swap the for a . Against Jeffrey, is possible.

Large counter
25. +

Slipping left
26. +

When foot crumple from occurs, or vital point crumple from Slipping left , inputting + asap leads to the biggest combo.

Slipping right counter hit
27.
28. + ~various combos.

When slipping right hits on counter hit, the stun is long enough to allow for 27 to connect on the ground. Further, on heavy counter, combo 28 connects, which is very scary destructive power.

Slipping left (B2) maximum charge
29.
30.

In the same way slipping left (B2) maximum charge provides ground combos. Because the execution is very slow, combo 29 can be used on normal hit. The final combo 30 is for counter hits only.

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Whew, that was a lot of combo starters.

 

Is there any way to cancel the pose/taunt after
(sway back)+ CH?

 

It can't be cancelled as far as I know.

 

damn yall, new Brad is tight as hell, there are very few things that I could see them giving Brad without them maybe a bit overpowering him, such as different throw stuff, but they did strengthen his throw game significantly with the new escape animation on + and the 22 damage on the change which makes it something your opponent has to worry about more so now then ever. The addition of I think is invaluable as it gives him a secondary tech crouching move (other than just and his ducking stuff which at times can still get hit high), it is half circular the opposite direction of which gives him some niceness to it, and all of his new ducking shite is great, save maybe his new inasshi which I wasn't sure was necessary considering Brad had a ton of ways to beat low P before, it's just now he can beat those non frame guaranteed situations as well. Ah well, my 2 cents for right now....