Lion Vs. Wolf

Hey all,
Exercises versus the Canadian Shaman Wrestler we all love to hate.
I hope it serves you well and are able to learn from the information.
Please donate to setups section to increase the collective.
Thanks


Outline:
1.Guaranteed moves on block, best evasion/perry points etc.
2.(-5 moves on block and how to apply 3p+k or 46k.)
3.(-8 moves on block and how to apply 44p+k or 46k.)
4.Opponents normal hit moves that are disadvantage.
5.Wolf setups! (Please donate info to the collective, so everyone can grow!)

Lion's punishment:

-10>
-11>
-12>
-13>
-14>
-15> or
-16>
-18>
-19>
-20>
-23>

Crouching:
14/-15>
-16>
-18>
-20>

1. Wolf's moves on block.

-13
->Otg/Meaty.
-Block 1st >Perry >Perry Evade To Back>(Crumple Combo!).>Otg>Meaty.


-15
->>Oki/Ura.
->>>
->>+3 Setup.


-15
->>Oki/Ura.
->>>Oki/Ura.
->>+3 Setup.


-16
->Otg/Meaty.
-Evade>>>Oki/Ura.


-18
-Block>>Otg/Meaty.
-Evade>(Crumple Combo!)>Otg/Meaty.


-15
-Block>>Otg/Meaty.
-Evade>(+11)>>Side Meaty/Otg.
-Evade>(+11)(+3 Side turned).
-Evade>(+11)>(+1 Side turned).


-13
->Otg/Meaty.
-Evade>>>Oki/Ura.


-13
->Otg/Meaty.
-Evade>>>Oki/Ura.


-10
->Oki/Ura.
-Evade>>>Oki/Ura.

-15
->>Oki/Ura.
->>>Oki/Ura.
->>+3 Setup.


Jumping(Descending )-18
->Otg/Meaty.
-Evade>(Crumple Combo!)>Omg/Meaty.


Backturned -18
->Otg/Meaty.
-Evade>(Crumple Combo!)>Omg/Meaty.

Note: Throw Oki Setup!
->Semi Charge Vs. Mid Rising > Crumple Combo!>Omg/Meaty.
->Semi Charge Vs. Mid Rising > Crumple Combo!>Omg/Meaty.
->Jump Over Body>Backturned Crumple Combo!>Otg/Meaty. (Body Size Changes Jump Time.)


2. (-5 to -7 moves on block and how to apply or .)


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-Jumping (Descending )

Note:
Opponent Attacks High/Mid In Disadvantage>> Combo!>Otg/Meaty.
Opponent Attacks Low In Disadvantage> Combo>Otg/Meaty.


3.(-8 to -9 moves on block and how to apply or .)
*Nitaku is always a choice too!


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-Running
-Deadly Move
-Deadly Move
-Backturned

Note:
Opponent Attacks High/Mid In Disadvantage>> Crumple Combo!>Otg/Meaty.
Opponent Attacks Low In Disadvantage> Combo>Otg/Meaty.



4.Opponents normal hit moves that are disadvantage.

Note:
@-1 to -3 Use(/)
@-4 to -5 Use(//)
@-6 Use( High/Mid or Low.)
*(Be aware of Wolf RAW option!)


- -4>
- -1
- -2
- -3
- -2
- -1
- -1
- -6
- -3



Extra! Moves On Block:


Note:
@-1 to -3 use(/)
@-4 use(//)
*(Be aware of Wolf RAW option!)


- -4
- -2
- -4
- -4
- -4
- -4
- -3
- Semi Charge -2
- -4
- -3
- -4
- -3
- -4






5.Wolf setups! (Please donate info to the collective, so everyone can grow!)


,-cancel>
-Options:
1.+2 block/+5 normal hit/+8 counter hit.
2. Depending on how fast you hit check determines your fate!
Example:
@+2 He could buffer throw, but you natural fuzzy and fuzzy whiff recover or >crumple combo!
-Try perrying and throw escape. It takes care of two options as long as it docent knockdown. Remember wolf is always tune to finding areas where you / for bad habits.

@-5 you really should sparringly. He can blow you up with >Meaty/Otg. He also can read your fuzzy and low throw you before it recovers.
-Here is where it gets interesting. If you just guard his low throw whiffs and you get free launch! Now, it's a guessing game on both sides, but if you never punish low throw he won't respect it.

@-8 either TE/TE
-I wouldn't suggest doing anything stupid in fear of losing half life
-You might see used and know it's -13 on block.




/(CH)>

-Throw Break
- Semi Charge>Bound Combo!>Otg/Meaty.
-/

*Mixup is the key to deter wolf from always assuming he will get throw.
-If you get good at conditioning evade CH> becomes a strong option.
-Study his best nitaku tools and where to evade!



Knockdown Tech roll >>Otg/Meaty/OM Meaty .

-Wolf will take any chance to get advantage to press you until death.
-Crush on tech.
-Block >+5 buffer for High/Mid or to beat 2nd attempt.


Two move blocked>.

-Very common tactic to get you to respect the three piece strings.
-Example: is -6 on block. Here you can apply w/o worry, small disadvantage on block.
-If you know throw is coming for 90+Pts dmg to bark back.
-If you sense 3rd is mid, so you can guard/perry.
-Guard gives you +8, so apply to beat High/Mid or for low.
-If you perry during your or you can buffer a lot based on opponents actions. Most good players know the catch throw isn't free and can be interrupted! What they don't know is this should be treated similar to a successful evade equation!
-Knowing this, you can or< if they attack in disadvantage assuming they will interrupt you.
-You can usually tell early on if the player is squirrelly in close combat/hates being thrown/low throw escape %.

*Pay attention when perrying at what level and what your perrying!


Wolf is always searching for the fastest opponents all day!

- is the best remedy w/> down attack for good dmg!
-Sometimes evade buffer>>.
-If you block >Otg/Meaty.
-If you evade >Crumple Combo!>Omg/Meaty.
-Don't always setup with in order to deter this tactic!


Wolf's Low crush >>Option select!

-Not only do you have to watch your , but your as well.

-Traditionally wolf loves into shinning wizard as a staple or ring out with Slip Behind.
-These days in FS wolf uses two setups off of >!

1. > vs rising. Here he has to assume you will mid rise. Wolf jumps over you then jumps backwards over you to make the mid rising whiff. While in the air he can preform descending and now you have a 33% chance to guess a low throw escape, good luck. (Don't rising kick here ever!)

2.> vs tech roll>>option select. This gets tricky for wolf when the player has seen that he has options during this phase, but in the beginning it's deer in the headlights.
-Options for include:
->vs tech standing rise>catch >Bound Combo!>Otg/Meaty.
->vs tech atk> creates force crouch>.
-vs tech atk>>Otg/Meaty.
- vs fuzzy/crouch>.
-> cancel jump back>reset.

*Note: If you ever see a throw whiff>recovery grants free . Low throw whiff>Free Launch!!!
Also, be aware of / as a ring position tool or dmg to mess with you.


(Fear this at all times!)
-This move is wolf's catch throw and is mainly to be feared as a ring position tool!
-REMEBER catch throws are the weakest throws and can be interrupted by almost anything except charge moves.
-No fence up always break towards the ring out area!
-With fence up, always towards the fence, because you don't want to eat the full wall combo and possibly a reset.
-Yes, this is a dirtbag move!


Whiff>>.
-Similar to setups.
-Whiff > vs tech roll>>option select. This gets tricky for wolf when the player has seen that he has options during this phase, but in the beginning it's deer in the headlights.
-Options for include:
->vs tech standing rise>catch >Bound Combo!>Otg/Meaty.
->vs tech atk> creates force crouch>.
-vs tech atk>>Otg/Meaty.
- vs fuzzy/crouch>.
-> cancel jump back>reset.

*Note: is used as a regular meaty, be careful! It also can be used to /!


More to come!!

 

Wowowow this is in depth anti Wolf strats!!!!

 

You sir inspired me to get off my duff and stop making excuses! I hope this inspires other vfrs to take this and build their own. Back to the dojo to program my muscle memory.

Next up...
Jacky!
Come w/me as we take away the smoke and mirrors.

 

Awesome work, Tim! I will try to schedule time to add to this (and probably import some data from my own Lion journal )

Love that you put this out there!

Some additional notes, but acknowledging that everything in Tim's post is great!

* 44K is a tricky one... in situations where you can buffer this response in while blocking, consider it 15 frames. However, as a reaction to block, it's probably best to just think of it as a 16 frame punisher because of the 44 motion. That said, it's very good for Lion players to try to train themselves to buffer this in recognizable situations.

* Lion players would do well to mine the details that Tim put in the counters. There's a lot of good flowcharts and decision points that Tim has provided to help you maximize a situation in that list above alone. Particularly the application of 3P+K as well as using Lion's sidekick against side-turned opponents.

 

Just to be clear, what are Lion's otg moves and meaties?