Low throwing tech rolls: help wanted

Can someone explain how to low throw tech rolling (or recovering in place) opponents.
*When can you perform this? (face down head towards, face up head towards, etc, etc)?

*Can you do it vs a rising attack?

*Can it be done vs an opponent who is standing up guarding?

*Can it be done to an opponent who is standing up and throwing out launchers, punches, etc?

*When is it safest/effective to attempt this low throw?
*How do you practice the timing?

I've messed around with it in dojo and simply can't ever seem to get the low throw to work. Any help would be appreciated.

 

Well low throwing can only be done when the opponent is crouching. It's impossible to ground throw someone as they are rolling into position on the ground.

A low throw will not beat a rising attack. You have to block then throw.

And you cannot low throw a standing opponent, they need to be crouching.

And remember attacking ALWAYS beats throws, so if your opponent is constantly waking up with launchers just simply block then punish! Throwing them when they are aggressive is not gonna work.

If you want to practice low throws go to dojo mode and record a character doing something like "P, P, then any low kick or sweep then standing guard" then play it back block the two jabs and the low kick, as soon as you block the low kick try to low throw them before the dummy stands up.

 

Thanks blackstar. Your answer(s) will hopefully be very helpful. I need to work on the timing now--i haven't been able to find that 4 frame window for the life of me lol.

Also thanks icky-it wasn't the info i was looking for, but i suppose i was a bit vague without realizing it.

 

Yeah the way you worded it made it seem like you wanted to see how just to low throw punish lol

 

ha it doesn't help any that i lost the password to my old forum acct (social_ruin) as well as the password to the email it was associated with. Thus i am officially a new member again, rather than a member for 6 years

 

When the opponent is teching with a sidetech as that one recovers crouching. As far as I know it works from every position. Teching in place recovers standing.

No. They're knocked down and then doing a rising kick.

As long as they teched to the side there's 3 frames considered crouching (or rising from crouch, really). So in a sense that is exactly what you are doing when low throing techs: expecting that they are only guarding.

Of course not. I think you actually could do it vs attacks with 33 input in them, since they usually come out with 1 crouch dash frame in front. That's just trivia though.. They can buffer attacks to that crouching phase of tech preventing any throws.

When they tech to the side and you expect them to just try guarding with lazy TE

 

1 thing to correct i bolded the relevant sections.

When you tech to the side, those 3 frames where you're considered crouching happen wether you decide to attack after you get up or not. You can't attack your way out of someone low throwing you during those 3 frames of crouching status, as your attack (read throw invincible) frames don't start until after you've gone through the crouching status frames.

If someone is low throwing your techs, just stop teching, or tech in place (BBBAAAD idea most of the time).

 

Sounded a bit fishy (and too good for me) so I recorded this on myself. You can attack through the low throw. The situation is very similar to being -7 and forced crouch. You get thrown for just guarding but canceling the crouch with anything (dash, backdash, evade or attack) gets you out of it.

 

Is it exactly the same or are there actually any differences?

 

Seems the same. I did not test special cases like teching a spinning knockdown in the "wrong" direction or juggles from side / back.

 

Combolammas is right, the crouch throw is never guaranteed on side roll teching, it's only an attempt IF the other player just stands guarding. Same as for any forced crouch situation except -10.