New use of OM

Discussion in 'Dojo' started by Tricky, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. Tricky

    Tricky "9000; Eileen Flow Dojoer" Content Manager Eileen

    Found this video on a japanese blog that seems to be showing how to use OM effectively now. Can someone who speaks better japanese than I (read: none) help explain what's going on here?



     
    Tricky, Jul 8, 2012
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  2. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    I wouldn't call this a "new use" of OM. This video is simply showing the situations where OM can be successful from disadvantage. Normally, you shouldn't OM from disadvantage due to it's inferior evasive properties to DM, but of course there are exceptions as shown. If this video demonstrates anything, though, it's that OM evasion properties are still highly susceptible to hit boxes.

    Here's a transcript of what happens in each vid:

    ä¸åˆ©ã‹ã‚‰ã®OM (å‰ç·¨)
    -1F open stance vs P, 2P, 6P
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Jacky P: success[/size]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 2P: fail[/size]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 6P: success[/size]

    -1F closed stance vs P, 2P, 6P
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Jacky P: success[/size]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 2P: success[/size]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 6P: success[/size]

    -2F open stance vs P, 2P, 6P
    66P Side Gd > OM vs Jacky P: fail[/size]
    66P Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 2P: fail[/size]
    66P Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 6P: success[/size]

    -2F closed stance vs P, 2P, 6P
    66P Side Gd > OM vs Jacky P: success[/size]
    66P Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 2P: fail[/size]
    66P Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 6P: success[/size]

    -3F vs 6P
    3K Side Grd > OM vs Jacky 6P: fail[/size] (open stance)
    3K Side Grd > OM vs Jacky 6P: success[/size] (closed stance)

    The first video was all versus Jacky. The second video is a follow-up showing the situations versus Lau. As you'll see, there's an inconsistency between Lau and Jacky's 2P in the -1f case.

    ä¸åˆ©ã‹ã‚‰ã®OM (後編) 1
    -1F vs P (closed stance)
    3P NH > OM vs Lau P: success[/size]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Lau P: success[/size]

    -1F vs 2P (closed stance)
    3P NH > OM vs Lau 2P: fail[/size]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Lau 2P: fail[/size]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Jacky 2P: success[/size]
    Notice you can OM successfully against Jacky's 2P but not Lau's!

    -1F vs Elbow (closed stance)
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Lau 6P: success[/size]
    3P NH > OM vs Lau 6P: [color=#009900]success[/size]

    [b]-1F vs Elbow (open stance)[/b]
    46P+K+G Side Gd > OM vs Lau 6P: [color=#009900]success[/size]
    3P NH > OM vs Lau 6P: [color=#009900]success[/size][/color][/color][/color]
     
    Myke, Jul 8, 2012
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  3. Tricky

    Tricky "9000; Eileen Flow Dojoer" Content Manager Eileen

    Cool thanks a ton man. The only reason I see using OM over DM in these select cases is that you can punish right away with P when successful. Like with eileen against Lau if I OM to him back from -4 and lau does a 6P I'll be at his side and have enough time to hit him with PP214K+G. Regular DM gives me nothing guaranteed. This is a lot easier against Jacky and even works if I'm in front of him.

    It's totally hitbox dependent though and is really sensitive to slight delays.
     
    Tricky, Jul 8, 2012
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  4. Dennis0201

    Dennis0201 Well-Known Member

    Is it workable on Ver.A?
     
    Dennis0201, Jul 8, 2012
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  5. Tricky

    Tricky "9000; Eileen Flow Dojoer" Content Manager Eileen

    in some cases it is but I don't see any case where you can evade 2P using OM.
     
    Tricky, Jul 8, 2012
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