Punishing with Jeffry

LOL, Jeffry insights.

 

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Thanks for doing this - do you want to put it in the jeff wiki somewhere?

If PK leaves you at +4, and P leaves you +5, why not always go for the guaranteed dmg? The mixup is almost the same; yeah, knee will beat /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif after P, but that's not a completely stable thing to do anyway since it will get counter hit by most punches.

 

lol, kod punishes

 

Great list Sebo.

 

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What happened to all of the data??? Did it get moved, or do they not work somehow???

 

Lol, sebo deleted

 

Request to have it on the wiki please... I'll put it up myself if I can find the printout from way back (with permission from Sebo 1st of course ^^)... It really helped me out and I think it will attract others to step their JE game up...

 

Eh, what happened there?

Didn't even know he was banned?!

 

Yeah sebo has a thing for deleting his good strats and stuff i think

 

Ahh, all makes sense now. Don't know how I missed all that though lol.

Farwell Sebo, all your awesome strats may now be gone but your punching yourself when you lose skillz will live on forever.

 

lol, and Plague wonders why I hate him.

 

Untrue. I've spoken and written many unkind things about you and people you know. I do hope you forgive me one day.

 

Jinxhand, ask myke for a wiki login if you dont have one already, you're welcome to put stuff up on there. If you're concerned about sebo's permission . . . it's basically just a list of data. Organize it and phrase it in your own words, and you dont need his permission.

 

Sugoi!!!

Thanks KoD!!! I'll get on to it then, and come up with a layout to put on the wiki. I'll send a pm to Myke, and if anyone here reading this has any extra frame data to submit, please feel free to pm me as well. This is a joint effort for the JE experts all the way down to those "window-shopping" for a character (or fighting game) to learn/master.

JE and frame data experts, when the info gets put up on the wiki, please examine it carefully to make sure its not faulty. If there's anything you've tested out to work or not work, lemme know. Thanks!!!

 

Finally, here's the info that was originally posted some time ago... Sorry for the delay, I had a gangload of papers for go through, and I finally found it. Plus I just had a baby boy, so I'm taking care of him and teaching him how to do Akira's knee

Before I begin, if there is any info that is wrong or missing for whatever reason, please feel free to correct this a.s.a.p. This is a joint effort from all of VFDC to help any current and/or aspiring Jeffry players step their game up. This is a work in progress, so I will be able to get a few characters at a time (its alot to copy down). For anyone needing any clarification as to what a frame is, please refer to the links below. The second link has extra info, but will help the reader to truly understand how frames work in VF5 (and fighting games in general).

Definition of a frame

In-depth look at attack properties (with info on frames)

Some of these moves can be followed up with a combo (bread-n-butter and/or character-specific). Please refer to the link below to find out which combo is best for those particular moves:

Jeffry Combos!!!

Here's the move's available for punishing, and extra [my] info:

- This is for punishing 12-13 frame moves. More than likely, this will be the most used punisher in your whole game. You'll be surprised how many of these you will get out against people who just throw things out there. It does 34 damage.

- This is also for 12 frame punishing, but its only used if there is nothing else that can legitimately punish particular moves.

- This is used against 14-15 frame on standing, and against 14-16 frame lows that are blocked. This does 38 damage, and can easily mean a ring out, or wall cornering. Good oki options come out of this as well.

- This is used against 16 frame moves done by standing opponents. This does 30 damage, and is a combo starter.

:- This is used against 15-16 frame standing moves (requires buffering). Honestly, this is not a move that I use as a form of punishing. I merely use when I either 1.) catch people off guard, or 2.) use it as an opening move [sparingly]. If anyone has been successful with using this as a form of punishing, please confirm.

- This is used against 17 frame moves. This is also a combo starter, and you want to ensure that you get the most damage out of the combo to follow, or combo to ring out if possible.

- This move is used against 21+ frame standing moves and some sweeping attacks. This is also a combo starter, and can very well lead to a high damage combo and/or ring out.

Akira


: -13
-12
-12 (_ will go under , so keep an eye out for Akira's movements.
-13


-15
-14
-14
-15
-15
AS3 (third hit) -15
DM -15
BT -15
-14
-15


AS3 (1st hit) -16


DLC -17
AS3 (2nd hit) -17
BT -17
-17
-25
-24
BT -26

Aoi


-13
-13
_/_ -12
-12
-13
-13
-12
-13
-13
-13


-14
BT -14
DM -15
/BT


-16


-18
-19
BT -18

Next: Brad & Eileen...

 

This is excellent stuff, I'll be sure to help in any way I can, good job!

Also, I will be the one to confirm that with experience is an excellent punisher, I use it a lot so I'd know I first thought the same like you but then after I fought Weiand Jeffry (props go to him, I learn lots facing him) a lot I realized this is an excellent whiff punisher, its fast so it comes out before the opponents move lots of times, and lag plays a big role imo when it comes to punishing a blocked move with it, but overall I spam that shit and it works well.

Edit: Also I have a question, for the moves you listed is the criteria that the moves have to be combo starters or can it be just in general the best choices?

 

First and foremost, I apologize for the delay. I was supposed to fly overseas this past weekend, and ended up staying here in the states... Again, if there is any info that is wrong, or if there are better options available, please make a note of that so it can be changed.

Brad


-12
-13
-12
-13
-13
LD -13
Sway -13
:SL/SR -14 [More testing needed - The followup might be able to stop you from punishing]


-14
BT -15
-14
(and variant) -14
-14
-14 [Be careful not to get hit by the 2nd ]
DU -14
-15
DU: -15 [More testing needed]


-16


PT -18
-18 [More testing needed]
-22

[Moves that need to be tested against]
Sway -17

Eileen


-12 [More testing needed]
-13
BT -12


-14
-14
DM -14
-14
BT -15


-18
/ -18
-17
-17

[Moves that need to be tested against]
WS -23
-19
-15
BT -29

El Blaze


-12
-12
-12
-12
-13
BT -12


-14
RD -16
-14
-15
-14
-14
-14
WS -15
DM -14
BT -16


-19
-22

[Moves that need to be tested against]
-17
-15

Goh


-12
-13
-13


-14
DM -14
-14
_ -15
-15
-16
-16


-12

Jacky


-13
-13
-12
-12
-12
-13 [Maybe duck & punish is a better option???]
-12
-13


-14
-14
-14
-15
DM -14
SS -14
/// -15
-14
-15 [ducking might be a better option]
SS -15 [ducking might be a better option]
: -15
-15
-15
-14
BT -15


/ -16
-16 [More testing needed]
-16


BT -13


-31
-19
-23

Jeffry


-13
-13
-13
-13
-13
-13


-14
-14
-14
:5 -14
-14
-14
-14
-15
-15
-15
-15
DM -15
-14
-14


Running -66
BT -20

Kage


-13


-14
-16
-14
-14
-14
-14
-15
DM -15
BT/BT SHIP -15
-14
JUU -16


-12
BT JUU -16


-18
-17
-21
Running JUU -19
SHIP -18
SHIP -17
BT/BT SHIP -18
Roll -67
Roll Shoryuken -22
Shoryuken -20
-27
-27
-20
-38
-71
Running -21
BT/BT SHIP -20
Roll -31
Roll -25