Aoi: Final Tuned

In a 3on3 match vid with including two Aoi players I see them once each use + in a situation where I would normally use + sabaki (after blocked ++ -6 situation). The first time I saw it i figured the Aoi player missed the input or something. But when the other Aoi player did it too it got me wondering. Are the attributes changed for + somehow? And why would it be better than the standard ?

 

Maybe it was input error?
them adding variety?
also pk gives you the option of the other p,p,p, or something else. I just say it interupts an opponent nicely, variation I guess, plus getting bitch slapped is kinda insulting. /versus/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

Watched the clip again. The Aoi's is in different teams and they both do + blocked -> + once each. Any other situation where the + gets blocked they are countered (because doing sabaki I guess). There should be nothing wrong with the stick then. Seems to be something I'm missing here. Some dodging properties of the + or something.

 

I don't know about FT, only EVO but my thinking behind it is this. A good player will be expecting + and will either block (and get a guaranteed throw) or respond with a move that won't be sabakied. In either case + is a fairly safe move, it will interupt most attacks and if it is blocked, you can follow up with a delayed or . Much like Vanessa's . As for why not just use , I don't know... I also just looked at the FT move list and the disadvantage from a blocked + has been reduced from -12 to -6 making it a better option than in EVO.

 

Has the semicircular property of P+K been removed for FT from Evo (seems weird only last hit is semicircular now) or is it an error in the FT movelist?

/KiwE

 

Like I said variety, I doubt the Aoi player used it cause of semi circular properties, they would have just thrown otherwise, it all comes down to just mixing their game up imo, if they were to do 2,3,6, p&k all the time after 4,3 p&k what you think would happen..

 

P+K only gives LC counters (which I'm certain has something to do with it) due to it's damage. It will also interupt a delayed attack and, in many cases, catch someone evading. There aren't many 12frame, semicircular always YC hits in the game...
So while it's not the best payoff it's certainly one of the safest. If you just want to mix things up you probably would be better of with a move with better stats on hit (even) imo. It's an interesting choice of move used however.

/KiwE

 

I see Aoi players doing more often.........does it sabaki Elbows and Punches like it was on VF4?
However in the command list VF4FT,it 's the same as VF4Evo /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

It works well on jeff,
it's for knee's as wel /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif
2 dp, does sound better to use this now mix up than using pk, p,p all the time ^_^

 

lol I just notice that VF4FT has the same animation as her older VF4

is not garanteed anymore after her back throw,but I notice she can more use her ground reversal when light down attack are garanteed after some Lau's throws

 

Just coming back to the ground reversals
does anyone know what roughly the stats are for ver b ground reversals now?, I've checked the charts and Evo (Verb) and FT (Ver a) have the same stats this can't be right can it 0_o . Seems to me from what clips I've watched the + followup is guranteed after most light down attacks now?

 

New Combos:

After you inashi your opponents right handed move, you can do 33P+K~KK~small down attack!! but beware, the second hit of KK sometimes will miss on heavier characters.

For this combo to work, u need to buffer the command in reverse since you will always swtich position with your opponent after inashi a P/elbow in FT.

So Practice hard guys /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

I thought Ver b was out my mistake /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif (It's out soon though right? otherwise I think we're getting ver a...)

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I've checked the charts and Evo (Verb) and FT (Ver a) have the same stats this can't be right can it 0_o .



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but it is right. The stats didn't change.

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Dayam was hoping not ^_^' In particular I was just remembering some of the Lau clips, I'm guessing it's just his window for down attacks just got narrower, not guranteed no more then,as the opponents didn't bother to attempt them. good.

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iirc, it always was after the light down K reversal when you're head towards (+20).

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Light p's as well with Akira, Goh. I remember doing it if iirc....
Sorry for rehashing this just the ground reversal game just something thats been bugging me for a while seems a bit more useablel now in FT.

 

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After you inashi your opponents right handed move, you can do 33P+K~KK~samll down attack!! but beware, the second hit of KK sometimes will miss on heavier characters.

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Huh? That's a major freakin upgrade imo. Instead of Aoi needing to use she gets the (slam) knockdown combo? YY upgraded ^^

Also; + can be used as a delayattack against those who ETE cause of it's stats right?

/KiwE

 

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After you inashi your opponents right handed move, you can do 33P+K~KK~samll down attack!! but beware, the second hit of KK sometimes will miss on heavier characters.

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Huh? That's a major freakin upgrade imo. Instead of Aoi needing to use she gets the (slam) knockdown combo? YY upgraded - Nybec will be happy as a mofo. Can't be fun being a punchbased char against YY now (if Aoi watches stance).

Also; + can be used as a delayattack against those who ETE cause of it's stats right?

/KiwE

 

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After you inashi your opponents right handed move, you can do 33P+K~KK~samll down attack!! but beware, the second hit of KK sometimes will miss on heavier characters.

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Huh? That's a major freakin upgrade imo. Instead of Aoi needing to use she gets the (slam) knockdown combo? YY upgraded ^^

Also; + can be used as a delayattack against those who ETE cause of it's stats right?

/KiwE

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In fact,is not guaranteed after the inashi. you better do ~+ instead. Again, you will need to buffer the command in reverse aswell. Only the second hit of will hit(a back hit) but the hit throw will come out as normal. This combo works on both left or right hand P/elbow inashi.

 

Is it the same timing as for Evo? The +hit throw followup or is the window larger?

 

you can do the 46P follow up in evo too, timing is the same. but as i said, the position between and your opponent may not swtich in EVO, so it's hard to input the command in the correct way.