Arcadia No. 96 - Virtua Fighter 5R Feature

This sounds to me like the transition between VF4 and evo?

 

I'm not sure I like the sideguard idea as you described here. Especially if theres no good way to make character turn on its own, it just follows the opponent or turns back to it or doesnt follow at all.

Im simply hoping they standardize the movement of OM so we get rid of the seemingly random hitbox issues. Possibly the diagonal dash that you described coupled with hitbox issues is what is behind the current weird behaviour of OM.

 

I hope this thread doesn't get locked. Is very interesting on what Sirder and others have mention about the Side guarding and OM's. Throw animations for "Sumo guy" makes alot sense....So, I'm guessing that if you perform a TFT on "Sumo guy" instead of launching homeboy in the air, you get a different throw(Let's say, a link combo throw, like El Blaze, happens)that does the same damage as the TFT. That's what I'm assuming might happen, not the combo throw, but rather the situation on what I might expect from trying to throw "Sumo guy"

 

Goddammit, I'll do my best!

BUT:
(1) I don't have any way to upload them onto the net right now. If I get some videos though, I'm sure we can collectively figure something out; and
(2) I'm not going to risk getting thrown out of the place just to get videos (at least not until I'm ready to leave) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Wish me luck! Hopefully there will be a small enough crowd that I can play but enough people so that I can sneak some videos without drawing too much attention to myself. Hahaha.

 

I'm not going into all that shit you typed to defend something I never slagged off as we know that writing one word that you don't like results in a locked thread, but what I will point out is that 1 frame difference may change the flow of the game against those 2 characters, but saying that it's a more radical change than a completely new guard is absolutely preposterous. Regardless of how much the new guard comes into play or how useful it is, it is still a change to the whole system of VF5, 1 frame difference for 2 character's moves is not.

Note to Sega - don't include side-guarding. Instead just go into the VF5 code and make all throws 5 frames slower. That'd be a far better update.

The only thing I'm going back on is this I wrote:
"This looks like a better update than even Evo was"

What I should have said is
"From what I've heard so far, this could be a better update than even Evo was"

This is essentially the same sentence but is less likely to be jumped on by VF4Evo fanboys who are so desperate to defend it from supposed "shit ons".

PS: Taka rules (does that piss you off?)

 

Not kept up with the new additions so pretty ignorant, but just noticed 'breakable wall' in the info thread;

just wonder if the game will evolve into something too complex to be broken down in the way it's done now, I mean, surely the number of potential mathematical situations will go through the roof?

 

SURELY

 

I'm not getting into the whole Evo/R discussion, as I'd just prefer if you could drop the subject already.

I am however curious... Why would you want throws to be 5(!) frames slower Lemmy? I mean, they are slow as it is, with 5 frames slower throws you'd have 17(!) frames throws. That'd IMO make them more useless then Tekken's throw game (mind that it's not a flame starter, Tekken's just for comparison).

I may be wrong, and you might have just used a tiny bit of sarcasm with the throws idea... in that case, the joke is stupid /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

12 - 3 + 32 < 10 - 3 + 32 ?
9 + 32 < 7 + 32 ?
9 < 7 ?????
9 - 7 + 3 < 3

Ok, side turned guard can beat nitaku ETEG fuzzy cancel. Except Taka and Jacky/Vaness/Shun in open stance, everyone else close stance light/heavy weight. Aoi can reverse it also, so it's useless to do it except you are at 45 degrees to the half broken wall with 10 seconds left into the match and both characters have 0 pts of health and mmC each other at the same time.

 

YES! fuzzy at -10.

 

This place sometimes makes the "Neo Gaf" forums look like a walk in the park. Come on folks, there's things you should never do in life,Don't somke CRACK, Don't suck D**K, Don't suck your own D**K, and never derailed threads. Lemmy, let it go. Is done. Myke, doesn't agreed with you, Just like you don't agreed with him. Is over. All we know is what was said in the interview posted by Reno(Renzo????I kid) Once we get footage from the location test, we could understand more on whats going on with VF5R gameplay mechanics. So, all we could do is wait, and kill time watching free PORN online. Sasha Grey is freaking AWESOME BTW /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Sasha Grey is VERY hot!

 

I usually don't join in on arguments like these but if throws were 5 frames slower it wouldn't be VF5 anymore it would be a whole new fighting game. Frame differences changes the flow of the game dramatically and are not minor changes. Imagine if standing P was 0 frame advantage on block (which is just 1 frame lower then what it was in Evo for Lau and Akria) you would be playing a game where you are supposed to mash buttons the second you block attacks

 

Sasha is amazing. Been a huge fan of her from the beginning of her career and she has yet to disappoint.

But that's for another thread...Let's try to keep this one on topic shall we.

 

I'm 90% sure Lemmy meant 5 frames faster (i.e. he wants 8-frame throws back instead of 12-frame throws)... but apparently his math skills aren't any better than his discussion skills.

KoD: Good point, didn't think of that. I guess the additional block stun could be an enforced 3-frame turn, counting as additional disadvantage, after you block a move with sideguard? My only issue with that is that if you auto-turn after using it, and the game had so few side turned situations already, then side guard may not get used very much at all.

Srider: First, your math could be wrong, as Myke said, side guard might not activate in a single frame. Also, I don't know if I like you're idea of OM changes. I actually like the diagonal dash... the ability to end up with your opponent back turned, say for example when wolf gets back-turned DM throw is more interesting than the guaranteed side throw every time.

 

Wow! people are reading into that comment - it was just sarcasm that getting at how frame differences don't make an update particularly interesting.

I've said all there is to say - back on topic from now on
"Taka Rules!"

 

He plays people. srsly

That stuff doesn't matter and you know it.

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lol

 

You know that's gonna be extra awsome sauce when we get to see that all side block does is put you down a few more frames.

 

This was originally posted by Maddy but disappeared later... I thought it was interesting:


Hello folks, it's been a long time. =)

Courtesy of Mr.Liv272 on Ruliweb, here is some information on the much anticipated VF5R. I assume some of these infor can be redundant. Please bear with me on that. Information with a questions mark has not been confirmed.



Offensive moves

No more OM P or OM K
There exists two different types of OMs (according to the distance against opponent)



Throw damage

0 frame throw does more damage(?)
Neutral throw damage has gone up (universal change)
Throws with guaranteed ground throw got nerfed.
Back throw damages have gone up significantly.



Wall combos

When you use a big move during your wall combo, it causes a leg crumple for additional damage opportunity.


Side guard system

Side guard makes a different sound effect than regular guard.

Two common situations:
1. Guarding short range OM.

2. Now you are able to guard a canned follow up when being hit by a string move to the side.




Rising attacks

Motions have been changed, and now they come out significantly faster. Much harder to guard them.




Bounce combos

Ver.C type bounce combos are no longer possible, but there seems to be different type of bounce combos(?)



Low P

Motions have been changed. Property changes are being discussed as of now. High P seems slower(?)


Neutral pose

Characters have unique pose at the start of a round.


After rounds

You can't do a down attack(3P or 3K) on a defeated opponent anymore.


Akira


SDE

Stomach crumple on CH
Floats higher on NH
Range is shorter


26P,P
No more canned follow-up from Single palm. =VF4 ver.C style.


Shoulder ram

Command changed to from crouch 3P+K

P,P

Not as delayable anymore



43P+G

Motion changed similar to that of the catch throw 2 or 8 P+K.
(e.i. 43P+G, 66KK combo)


64P+G 2 or 8 P+K

Motion changed to that of 43P+G in VF5


46P+G combo

46P+G,P,43P,Dbl palm combo damage has gone up. Dbl palm has to be
buffered now by doing 1146P or 3346P.


P+K6P

Command changed to P+K,P


New moves

3P

An elbow that Looks simliart to Kazuya’s 3RP in Tekken---??


1P
A double palm like move


4PP

A new move that hits high, high


6P+K
Slow but causes crumple on hit