EVO2K9 AKA Year Of The Bums

Barrel stage ftw!!!

 

How about kicking the blue or green elf around for more magic potions

 

I'm at the airport coming back from Evo. I have more to say but I'll post more later.

ShinobiFist: You can't really say shit about all the players unless you were there. SF4 had 1040 entries, yeah alot of them are garbage but if you made it into the semi's (24 pools of 32+ players each) you should be feared. A lot of my friends who are damn good coulnd't even make it out of their pools.

Quash: I ran a pool and I had to fight Crackfiend first round. I had no idea who he was when I fought him.

One last thing, VF was at Evo this year.

 

Shag u always hold it down.

I gotta remind myself, if shag's there, its poppin

 

we were playing this game every single week offline. We supported WCG and the finals were aired on national TV here. I traveled from Holland to NY for an event.

Last august was NYG, this May was Plagues house, this August there is a European gathering in Amsterdam.

I'd say the members on VFDC are some of the most dedicated to their scene. I don't think you have a clue.

Fuck a SEGA.

 

While I think there's probably a sliver of blame that could be levied at "the community," I think I'll apply Occam's razor to this issue instead: VF simply doesn't have a large enough following to be taken seriously. VF5 sold about 10% of what Soul Calibur 4 and Street Fighter 4 did in the North America. VF4/Evo sold somewhat respectable numbers and had a larger following and guess what, it was at Evo. I think some people here need to accept that unless something rather drastic happens with regards to the appeal of the game, VF will remain a boutique interest.

All those tertiary games that show up at Evo like Guilty Gear are there because enough people who play the main event games like Street Fighter 4 also have interest in them.

And you really can't blame Sega for not supporting a game in a territory that it only sees marginal profitability in. In Street Fighter's darkest days, Capcom didn't support the community at all either.

 

Dr.Dogg is Kicking some ol' bullshit....We all support the VF comminuty so im not to blame for shit. I have Vf5,3,remix megamix kids,Viper 1 and 2. Sega took nmy money the day they killed the dreamcast so Fuck sega.

 

Seriously? Devestation was like, a month after SoCal. THE biggest event there is, meaning everyone from VFDC had just traveled across the country. Having the money or scheduling ability to do it twice within 2 months is asking a bit much. Was just bad timing thats all.

 

Look, if you personally traveled for VF and still travel, then my post wasn't geared toward you. So don't come at me with, "I traveled, you are the sux!" If you traveled, great! It's the people who do not who have killed the scene.

Then you aren't to blame and my post was not directed toward you. And no, you didn't see me at any gatherings because VF was never my main game. I can guarantee I've been to more fighting game tournaments than you if you'd like to go there with it, but I've only been to four VF tournaments for the reason I just stated.

The people who have been playing Tekken forever are not the ones I'm referring to. They're just as much Tekken players as they are VF players. I'm talking about the people here who think they can suddenly pick up Tekken and dominate just because they play VF. The people who are not already Tekken players.

I'm not talking about supporting it back then, I'm talking about supporting it now.

Tekken is the best selling fighting game franchise and Namco has just recently been on the pulse of the community. One Evo didn't really change anything, especially since Tekken was huge long before T6.

As I said, VF5 was at DEV '08. It was also at DEV '07 and I believe VF4 was at one of the first DEV tournaments.

If there's hardly anyone left, why would Sega want to release a new game? It's certainly not an age issue because people still play decade old Capcom fighters.

Then you weren't who I was referring to...

Three tournaments over the course of a year? I'm sorry, should I be impressed? Tekken 6 has had three majors in the US alone in the last two months and the game isn't even available on console or had an official US arcade release.

 

I can't help but get a holier than thou vibe from every post you make

Maybe cause you just get on my nerves a lil bit, I don't even know

 

Drdogg can you get me on TV?

I want a few dollars too

 

It's just the vibe you present, I wouldn't take it bad, no hard feelings.

You can continue to keep acting like some of the VF'ers here don't bring anything to the community, but actually playing the game against others in anyway possible is still an effort(that could be all some people can give at this moment in their lives), that you don't give players that have never traveled for a game before any credit.

There's plenty of us(including myself) on this forum that have not only traveled for VF, but have also traveled for other fighting games before as well.

You can come into every thread, looking like you're the ultimate fighting game player all you want, but don't try to belittle the community as a whole like that, and then attempt to look like some fighting game philanthropist.

EDIT: and so you deleted your post.

 

It's because of how I word my posts. If I said the same thing I'm typing in person, you wouldn't feel the same way.

If you go back and read my two posts, all I've said is that the people who don't travel to support the game are to blame more so than Sega.

I don't think that's a terribly bad thing to say, or indicative that I'm holier than thou. Do you?

EDIT:

Sorry, I was trying to avoid starting a flame war. However, the post you quoted was directed toward Cozby, not you.

How exactly do I look like the "ultimate fighting game player"? I'm really curious about that one.

 

Dr.Dogg, if you look at Sega's track record then you would know that not having enough people go to VF related events isn't the reason why Sega is ignoring us. It's not about tournaments or turnouts Sega simply doesn't keep a track record so they have no way of knowing anyway. If 2,000 people were at Evo for VF5 Sega still wouldn't care hell they might sue Evo again if they dared put VF footage on their DVD.

Speaking of companies suing, why would a caring company even bother trying to sue a sponsored event that is promoting their game? It would appear that Sega is killing the scene even further. Hell, I wouldn't complain if Virtua Fighter was never at Evo after that, I was shocked to see VF5 there in 2007..Trust me Dr.Dogg it's more Sega then it is the community hurting the game.

 

I guess I just have a different perspective on it. Having talked to SoA about it in the past, I believe the community is more to blame. I understand what you're saying, and I do believe that SoJ is at least partially to blame, but looking at how VF has been viewed in the US compared to how it's viewed in Japan, I think SoJ is just trying to make good business decisions. That hasn't always happened, but I think that's been the attempted plan...

 

1. Understood.

2. I don't think they're to blame more than Sega. They've purchased the game, and are playing it any way they can. In every fighting game community, there are plenty of players that never leave their region, are they to blame?

The developers have a huge influence on how much their games get played, casually or competitively. There's only so much we as the players can do sometimes. Someone like Sega, they have the funds for propaganda and media to get the word out better than we could to players we can't reach. There are plenty of us here that have gotten others into VF, but once that happens then they either continue to play or they don't. Some people stopped playing because Sega stopped supporting.

3. Like I said, I'm not really fond of how you are right here, so what you're saying comes off like that to me, even if that's not your aim or goal. It's just how it is, people are like that to me too.

 

It's what you're saying here, and the way you were wording stuff in the WCG thread. A combination of results, I guess.

I'm not even flaming you though, I've never really flamed on this forum, it's more like light jabs, but this forum is more reserved and laid back so everything that goes down with anyone looks extreme

 

You talked to SOA have you? then you should know why they don't support us. It all comes down to sales numbers of their game. That is the sole reason we wont get R. However, Sega wouldn't actually support the community even if sale numbers were high besides just giving us the updated version. Only reason we seen VF4 Evo was because sales numbers for 4 was high. Even so, their still wasn't any direct support from Sega themselves at that time (well besides them trying to sue Evo at the time) Case in point SoA have no clue.

 

Drdogg, Don't say my name anymore unless you're buying my family dinner.

Sega isn't down. That's a fact. We TRIED getting VF5R in multiple ways.

What the heck you expect me to eat? If I had some money, I would have definitely gone to Devastation, no doubt.

 

You don't know what you are talking about. And who from Sega of America have you talked to? I want a specific name and position.

The U.S. and international VF scene was fine and has always been but you wouldn't know that, it was the same size as the GG or KOF scenes but it keeps getting smaller with no new games. VF4:EVO was at SRK's EVO twice (2K3/2K4) and VF5 was at EVO2K7. VF4 had regular TV coverage in South Korea and a nice arcade scene. How much more exposure do you want? You know how many 'best game of all time' lists VF4 and 4:EVO appear on. And VF5 sold quite well considering there was little marketing and the PS3 version had no online modes and was at a time when the console user base was small. The game gets plenty of help from the press and FG community. This is all Sega screwing up as usual.

Sega sued EVO for showing VF4:EVO on the DVDs and then Sega turned right around and sued Beat-Tribe (a Japanese arcade that holds high level tournaments) for selling DVDs in Japan with VF4:EVO and 4:FT footage. Why isn't Capcom putting Kuroda in handcuffs? Or strangling SRK? Sega loves suing its fans. Sugoi!

Then Sega started blocking non Japanese IP addresses from watching KS/OH footage. Why? Then Sega decided to stop arcade vendors from owning VF machines and charged people rent for the cabinets. So arcade vendors in Japan bought much less VF5 machines and international arcade vendors or collectors can't even get VF5R machines now.

VF is still the official fighting game of WCG and you don't see Sega doing shit with WCG to help promote. Hell I'm stil l waiting for the lawsuit. VF at WCG, that's all Microsoft's doing, and it's been kept that way because of VFDC.

And who do you think paid for the development cost of VF5 Online? Sega? Nope. It was MS who OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS financed the game. Sega told MS that they did not want the game online but MS wanted to one up SONY by nabbing an exclusive fighting game series and give it an online versus mode. But I guess your super secret contact at Sega of America didn't tell you that not that you have a contact at all.

So Sega sued EVO, sued Beat-Tribe, balked on porting VF4:FT more than once, didn't make VF5 PS3 online and then lied to the media about it, blocked non-Japanese IPs from watching match footage, made VF5 Online after MS paid them to and then lied AGAIN about it to the media, won't let anyone own VF5R machines in Japan or purchase internationally, won't market the game outside of Japan, won't get involved with SRK/EVO/WCG, couldn't get the VSHG right at all yet the Lindberg machines function fine...they just don't make any effort with the community and they love driving the series into the ground after the success of VF4:EVO.

Oh and they never communicate with the fans whatsoever. Capcom, Aksys, Namco, have regular ambassadors to the fighting game communities to promote and collect ideas and feedback. Sega just removed their VF5 forum from the SoA website and don't talk to anyone here hardly ever. Just look at what happened with the Facebook page.