EVO2K9 AKA Year Of The Bums

Discussion in 'General' started by ShinobiFist, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Off Topic: Any vids of these money matches with Daigo?
     
  2. Lucky_GT

    Lucky_GT Well-Known Member

    ^There were some on Youtube, but they seem to have been taken down.

    EDIT: Guess not! Those are the ones that Shag posted.
     
  3. Shag

    Shag Well-Known Member

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  4. Slide

    Slide Well-Known Member

    looool I'm watching the one Daigo vs Marn

    yo the people in the room are cracking me up:

    "OOOOOOuuuuooh" that shit is so fuckin funny.Hype like that makes you enjoy any game you're playing. VF needs this type of hype man.
     
  5. Johoseph

    Johoseph Well-Known Member

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    We had that shit going on during the SoCal team tourney for sure. You should have been there!

    But I agree with you, the VF scene is so quiet compared to others. I remember watching Yosuke vs. Adam one evening in SoCal with like 15 people in the room watching, and everyone was DEAD silent lol. I don't think its a bad thing really, just different.

    All the spectators were focusing on the match just as hard as the players were [​IMG]
     
  6. Slide

    Slide Well-Known Member

    I play much better when spectators get hype.

    I do nothing but crowd hyping moves and flashy combos in every game anyway. It's fuel.
     
  7. DrDogg

    DrDogg Well-Known Member

    I think a lot of the hype comes from rivalries. Mainly west coast vs. east coast. You don't really get that much with VF because the community is really small and most everyone gets along (at least from what I've seen).

    It's hard to get hype over "friendly" matches. lol
     
  8. Slide

    Slide Well-Known Member

    VF needs to get fucking HYPE

    fuck it if shit was hype I'd beat you AAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL
     
  9. Plague

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    Best line I remember is from L_A...

    "He's hyping that shit. Don't fall for it."
     
  10. THE_WALL

    THE_WALL Well-Known Member

    Hype is great when u have other fighting game communities come watch you play VF5. When it is just the VF community its cool to be calm and collected and treat it like golf. Every once and a while we need to go crazy and talk mad trash to each other, who knows maybe we will become better players from it. My one friend came over and talked mad trash when other communities were over it was way cool!!!
     
  11. _Denkai_

    _Denkai_ Well-Known Member

    I agree with slide..that hype gives certain people strength man. It's great to feed off of other people's energy
     
  12. SDS_Overfiend1

    SDS_Overfiend1 Well-Known Member

    You don't scream and shout during a Chess match.
     
  13. Shidosha

    Shidosha Well-Known Member

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    Hype award goes to: VF5!
    20+ ppl out-roared 10+ other game communities
    TELL US WE'RE NOT BUZWORTHY!
     
  14. jerichompm

    jerichompm Well-Known Member

    Right u said it yourself the average poster on SRK can't touch people like Daigo or Ohnuki ask yourself why.....

    If Ryan & Sabin was the only 2 people who beat daigo out of how many people in that hotel room upto 37 people i belive then thats as good as cleaning the place out.

    As for the forum i said most - did u hear me say the word all? anyway u can say all the shit and excuses u like even if them cats all practice the same hrs the same person wins near enough all the time i guess theres a reason for that, maybe u would like to share it with everyone here why lol.

    As for justin and co they don't interest me as far as champions are out there the only person i rate is Sandford Kelly & Marn & Ed ma & Johi Choi cos they don't character match anyone standard the rest are so desperate, what sort of champion character matches in Marvel2 and SF4 i mean what kind of crap is that & to even top it off he loses as well.

    and yet in the end all it takes is 1 japanese dude who don't give a flying shit about character matching and wipes them all out with the absoulute standard character.

    Reguardless the odds.
     
  15. jerichompm

    jerichompm Well-Known Member

  16. Slide

    Slide Well-Known Member

    What you mean though? In Japan they be wildin out all day to VF, whenever you see videos that are recorded from a camera. Chants and stuff, the entire time. "aye aye aaaayye" during every combo too. Post round shenanigans with alot of laughter too.

    It's these boring silent matches that really get on my nerves. People need to get EXCITED, it's a game, it's competitive, it's fun, it's entertaining. Not an exam or a court case.

    In the U.S. playing VF, it comes off awkward and rude, just to put a lil hype in the matches.

    What are you talking about, all the top players in the U.S. for SF switch characters around and play matchups. There's only like a couple cats that don't in every game I've seen them play. One I know for sure is Buktooth and probably like Graham Wolfe, and Afro Cole and some others.

    The philosophy in the regions are different. In the U.S. people got that Sirlin play to win mentality, and your average player takes that way literally and to extremes and will do anything to win even at the cost of not improving their own game. So they can play for hours and not even progress forward, if they occasionally random out a win to stay satisfied. Alot of the Japanese guys(atleast the ones we see) seem to play to improve, then winning comes through that, which is probably something that just came out through necessity in the competition.
     
  17. jerichompm

    jerichompm Well-Known Member

    thats because America allows character switching the japanese do not otherwise you get stupidness - like sirlin did on his own "Hybrid Game"

    Here slide i ain't against the idea or anything but i understand that its a tourney and you do everything within the rules thats cool but in the long run reguardless if they win the cash its boring for someone to say they deserved to win knowing full well they do shit like that.

    Take Justin at the Dev event Vs John Choi he was 2-0 up and John started to clock him then it was 2-1 then it was 2-2 John still stuck to Ryu. - Justin shit his pants and changed to Abel now if u heard the background groans of dryness & being chanted then it understandable.

    Now if that was the rules in say japan he would of got offffff'ed maybe thats why they do 1 and out overall.
     
  18. Crazy_Galaxy

    Crazy_Galaxy Well-Known Member

  19. InstantOverhead

    InstantOverhead Well-Known Member

    While I think character counter-picking is the lamest thing ever...though it was hilarious watching Sirlin get beaten as Blanka in last year's EVO ST...the Japanese avoid this because so many major tournaments are team based anyways so you can't lose and then counter-pick right away.

    I can't remember the last time an ST event in Japan like X-Mania or Arcadia had singles instead of 2v2 or 3v3. So while you can't directly counter-pick in a team format because your characters are already chosen, you can try to design a team that counters enough people, and then hope that the matches fall favorably for your character selection for your team. Though the best teams seem to be Claw, Boxer, Sim anyways year after year.

    I've seen events run at Mikado for ST where it is a singles tournament but you can pick three different characters (or play the same character three times if you want). So some players will just choose Guile or Ryu across all three of their slots because they feel that knowing all matches for one character is most effective. While others might take Claw, Sim, Fei or whatever and try to play a different character if they lose a match. You still can't directly counter-pick at the select screen though because your characters are forced to be preselected.

    The philosophy behind counter-picking is that you can beat your opponent on the select screen. Quite a concept. The problem is that it assumes that you are as proficient as your opponent with the entire cast which is highly unrealistic. It also assumes that some matches in the game are highly unbalanced, and that a person of a lower skill level, could beat someone better merely because of the characters that they choose. And that with two people of equal skills, if someone counter-picks, they have a higher chance of winning. ST actually has some matches that are really lopsided so counter-picking can be very effective.

    This year we actually did see a fair amount of counter-picking in the HDR finals. Off the top of my head Sirlin picked Cammy to beat Graham Wolfe's Boxer, he won the first match, lost the second, then picked Dictator and lost the third. Someone also picked Zangief to beat a Boxer player in the top 8 and won as well.
     
  20. Slide

    Slide Well-Known Member

    Your second paragraph completely threw me off. Are adding to what I'm saying, or trying to take away from what I'm saying? I really have no clue.

    Some? How about, most.
    ST and HDR, shit, SF in general, is a big counter picking game, due to constant imbalances with character matchups. I think the only ones where you can really stick to your character the most, is A3 and SF4.
     

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