EVO2K9 AKA Year Of The Bums

Yo ollie when he came did u lot show him around some russian girls cos they are baiting the areas up lol...

I know Jide keeps his russian shit on the down low if u don't belive me ask Damien lololololol.

 

I mean ok safe - but its cringe worthy to think of such a high calibur tournament & players that all do those things like sitting on character select screen for 30seconds eyeing each other out not picking characters like a pair of battymans.

if they had to pick 1 character from start to finish i bet you most of top heads would get knocked out in the early stages by nobodys.

 

Ohh ok now I understand where you stand.

I agree.

 

I couldn't say that that would be the case all around. If you forced Choi, Justin, and Valle to only pick O.Sagat and never switch I don't think anyone's going to beat them.

If they had to pick one character you'd see O.Sagat over and over and over like many of the ST tournaments at EVO were in previous years. Look at the 3S finals last year when it was singles....5 Chuns made top eight because people pick Chun and rock their way to the finals with her at every 3S tournament (not just EVO). No one changed to or from picking Chun, they just blasted their way to the finals with Chun.

Here's another perfect example of a veteran ST player trying to counter-pick with a character that he's not as familiar with and losing. Graham Wolfe (a top veteran ST player) has been using Boxer the entire tournament and dominating. His opponent in the finals, Paul Eath, a guy who hadn't played ST competitively in years, stuck with his old character Guile for the entire series. Graham decided to pick Claw, the counter-pick to Guile, and loses the finals. Though it came down to the wire, Graham is a far superior Boxer player, but didn't stick with his main and chose to counter-pick.

Graham is obviously an amazing ST player but there is such an emphasis on picking the absolute best characters that Americans just are too confident with them.

 

Isolated examples are pretty wack.

Most Capcom fighters are UNBALANCED. Period.

If in Japan they stick to one character, howcome there aren't O.Sagats running around everywhere? It's cause that shit is frowned upon. Alot of players be sticking to the characters they like, and will use them even in another SF game regardless of character rankings. You wanna prove how good you are at playing the game, how solid you can play, etc. The wins come automatically at that point. Yo in Japan you see regular Sagats, not O.Sagat.

Yo even here, in the states, for VF, switchnation is so powerful because our overall character matchup knowledge is so freakin low, and overall play in alot of players just ain't as solid as it could be. And it's low because of that mentality I talked about before, where people just want to win, even at the cost of improving in the games or playing solid.

People would rather get a sloppy win, over a loss while playing solid.

Also there's not alot of specialized character expertise diversity here in the states for VF either. If play was higher, niggas wouldn't be able to pull a switchnation anyway, it'd be too risky.

 

O.Sagat is softbanned in Japan.

 

Yeah.

 

Most Capcom fighters? Try most fighters. Period. Besides VF4:FT and 5R version B, which games have such maximum tier compression? Maybe Tekken 6 BR? Or some of the GG or KOF games? But that's about it. Obviously this site is for VF...so having a discussion about balanced fighting games when the ultimate comparison is the absolute BEST in the business (VF!) is a little unfair.

Not only was O.Sagat soft-banned (aka frowned upon) but top Claw players followed the example of ARG and were banning (or at least restricting) use of the wall dive loop in their play.

Play to win is the attitude and people stick by it no matter what. People love winning at the select screen. It's an easy win if the game is designed that way. I can't stand it, but it's a major part of most fighting games. Again we are spoiled by the Virtua Fighter series in this respect.

Though YouTube is slow for me right now, search for Justin Wong Kuroda on YouTube and find the SBO finals between their teams and watch Kuroda take down Ricky Ortiz and Justin with Q.

Q is a very low tier character in SFIII: Third Strike (aka 3S). Chun and Ken, Justin and Ricky's characters, are the top and 3rd best characters respectively. But because there are basically no good Q players in the U.S. to practice against regularly, they didn't understand the match at all. I don't know shit about 3S but I remember a discussion on SRK where Ricky said he didn't know that Ken's low roundhouse was -6 on block. Q's reversal super comes out in 6 frames, so Ricky lost a round that he was far ahead in, because he was completely lost in that match's specifics. And the Justin vs Q match is infamous for how Kuroda (the Q player) was toying with Justin because he had far more experience than Justin.

 

Yeah I saw that Kuroda vs Wong match a couple years ago I think. I think that's the one where people were up in arms about Kuroda not shaking Justin's hand.

 

Justin beat one of Kuroda's friends in a match by running away and forcing a time over. Justin didn't shake Kuroda's friend's hand. I think it was a Marvel match at EVO2K2. I just watched that DVD recently and remember Justin winning a match by running away with Storm for a long time.

Well Kuroda not only didn't shake Justin's hand to get back at him...but he deliberately stalled the last round of the match to force a time over victory to add total insult to the situation. So he completely toyed with Justin for revenge.

 

I don't really think you can compare balanced games between Capcom fighters and 3D fighters. Capcom makes their fighters about counter picking, where the character does as much work as the player (in some cases). VF (arguably one of the most balanced fighters) doesn't have that kind of counter picking and the developers are not trying to get to that point either.

That said, I think Tekken 6: BR is probably the most balanced non-VF game I've played and I don't think I've ever played a Capcom fighter that was "balanced".

 

I don't think we were comparing them.

 

I think you are overlooking things a bit with that match.

Kuroda is known for being very defensive. In most of his matches he just crouches and does nothing with some occasional c.mk to build meter; waiting to sneak in a dash punch. He is the ultimate turtle. Honestly its the most effective way to play Q.

Kuroda turtled this match too and was losing most of time in the final round. Kuroda only got the lead at the very last moments of the round. He got it because Justin was too anxious and attacked out of turn.

But to agree more to your point, Kuroda did taunt twice directly in front of Justin in an earlier round. Sure he gets the defense bonus but Q players usually only taunt when its safe. Everyone in attendance knew Kuroda did the taunts to show disrespect.

 

(((((PUZZLE FIGHTER)))))

 

You don't know high level ST.

O.Sagat's tiger shots are too fast and he recovers from them so quickly. You have to anticipate to jump over them before he launches them. If not you risk getting a properly timed tiger uppercut as you descend which takes off big damage.

Only characters that favor against O.Sagat is Dhalsim. He goes even with Balrog. Sagat beats many characters 8/2 and over.

As far as Vega's wall dive, if executed correctly its a 50/50 guess of which direction to block it from being knocked down.

 

WOW, i had to search for this and found and its an awsome match indeed, hella funny too.
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