F**K**G fake cards...

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Yet another tale of these punk ass niggas.

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GaijinPunch, what's with the language?!

 

CreeD: I almost did... don't know what stopped me. Just seems really "ballsy" to me, as quite a few people feel the same way I do, especially when they do it in your face.

Adio: Sorry if I offended you -- the two foreigners I hang out the most with are black, so I've grown accustomed to their lingo. Don't worry -- it's not a racist thing.

 

So this guy with the 7th Dan Aoi and the fake 6th Dan Aoi was
trying to rank on the 6th Dan Lion, out of spite? Or is he just desperate
to rank up, first going after your 7-Dan Shun, then your 6-Dan Lion? I'm confused,
because I don't know anything about this hardcore Arcade world:

It's this different world of the Arcade: you've got guys out there
who are basically acting as "ringers", meaning they're high-level
but act like greenhorns, who use lower ranked players as stepping
stones to high perentages and better name rank?
guy's motive?

 

That's generally the idea -- but people do it for many reasons. Some people just like having same dan-level fights, which is fair enough, but still dishonest in my opinion.

As for what this prick did, it was just flat out unsportsmanlike. There's no rules or anything, but I never 'hunt' anyone down. If someone plays a match or two (especially same dan-level) with me and loses, then goes to another machine, I won't switch over to that machine. He's telling me he doesn't want to play me, and I've go to respect that. Sure he's 'fair game' when he's got his card in (or w/o it) but there's also karma to think about. You don't want people doing the same thing to you. I switched to a lower-ranked card with a different character. He switched to a lower ranked card of the same character. Coincidentally, I pounded his ass for it and knocked him down a level, which is nothing but sweet justice to me!

 

I say suck it up. Either way the end result will end up in one of two situations for either of you: A win or a Loss.

If you can admit that there are no rules then either abide by the lack or quit and save us your whining.

 

Piss off.

 

Thanks for the literate response.

the situation as I outlined it is correct. You either win or you lose, everything else is dressing. By Gaijin Punch's own admission he won so I fail to see the problem.

Complaining about a situation where a solution is at hand is retarded.

 

Why the hell would someone set up rules that they have absolutely NO way of enforcing? The fact that one VF.NET account can have only one card per character leans the argument in my favor.

And Myke -- since when is nobody allowed to jump in? There are definitely better words Wu Wei could've said directly at me.

 

look, I'll be the first to admit that I don't fully understand the ranking system as it pertains to VFNET, having only access to the PS2 version. I still don't understand the meat of the problem.

does the person cheating give himself special properties that help him to win? It doesn't seem so since you were able to beat him and knock him down a level. If there are no rules then there are no rules.

I just don't understand why people continually get sidetracked from their own performance.

 

wu_wei:

Well, it really is one of those things where "you just have to be there" to understand. Personally, I don't have a problem with people with multiple cards, or even manipulating different cards to get dan fights. I see it as an opportunity to rank up.

However, I can understand GP's irritation. This "hunting" down of GP and setting up of ranking matches has an implied insult: he thinks he can beat GP, hence, the same-dan fights. This, I think, is the reason GP gloated about forcing him down a rank.

The equivalent of this kind of insult that we're probably more familiar with is when someone else refuses to use their primary character, instead challenging your primary character with the same character. The implied insult is that you're not good enough to challenge his primary character, and that he can use your character to beat you, even though that character is merely secondary (or tertiary) to him. The real reason this occurs, of course, is because that player is too chicken to use his primary character and risk losing. So he uses a secondary character: if he loses, the blame lies in his unfamiliarity with the character; if he wins, it's because he's a VF god. /versus/images/icons/smirk.gif


GP:

You think people with multiple cards are annoying, people with multiple accounts on a message board are worse.

 

I'm not attempting to be dense but I really still fail to see anything worth getting upset about.

If I play against someone on the PS2 who is using a mem card that has false data (say, Replay hacked or even using Kumite wins) it doesn't matter to me in the end because there can only be one outcome: I will win or I will lose. If I win or lose is ultimately up to me since his card doesn't affect my hands or knowledge of my character.

If I get hunted down in an arcade, well so what? It happens all the time. People, generally, risk playing people they feel confidant they can beat (or at least learn from). What insult is there in that? Confidence in one's own skill shouldn't be perceived as a slight by an opponent but it certainly can be found to be arrogant or mis-guided if that skill fails to materialize come game time.

Again, your own performance is what ultimately counts and to be distracted by someones "cowardice" or "punk ass nigga" attitude is beside the point.

Win.

-and for the record, my multiple account status is because I can't reliably log into VFDC under my "primary" account (even after moby was so kind as to re-set my password as a possible solution). I finally got tired of trying and let the one that works consistently be the one I use. There's no subterfuge involved, I just figured making an announcement about my problems was silly and I wasn't about to register "GodEater2".

but if it offends your sensibilities I will refrain from posting.

 

In a culture like Japan where insults are rarely overtly expressed, something like this probably offends a great deal more than it would elsewhere.

Again, your own performance is what ultimately counts and to be distracted by someones "cowardice" or "punk ass nigga" attitude is beside the point.

Well yes I agree, when people complain about that example that I brought up, I tell them to just win and force the opponent to use his primary character in order to break the losing streak.

-and for the record, my multiple account status is because I can't reliably log into VFDC under my "primary" account (even after moby was so kind as to re-set my password as a possible solution). I finally got tired of trying and let the one that works consistently be the one I use. There's no subterfuge involved, I just figured making an announcement about my problems was silly and I wasn't about to register "GodEater2".

My guess in the dark hit home! Actually in my preferences I chose not to view people's signatures (some of them are quite annoying), so I didn't see your quote, which would have made it obvious who you are.

My irritation with multiple accounts is more about people who rely on an alias to flame out of fear of offending someone with their "real" username. I thought perhaps wu_wei was such an account, especially since the profile was utterly blank. However, since I know from history that you don't have a problem with expressing your criticisms as GodEater, I suppose my complaint cannot be directly applied to you, though I do wish I know whose thoughts I was reading if a shared history exists.

Please, keep posting, I think the many criticisms aimed at junk posts (usually justified) have scared and intimidated many potential posters away.

 

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My irritation with multiple accounts is more about people who rely on an alias to flame out of fear of offending someone with their "real" username. I thought perhaps wu_wei was such an account, especially since the profile was utterly blank. However, since I know from history that you don't have a problem with expressing your criticisms as GodEater, I suppose my complaint cannot be directly applied to you, though I do wish I know whose thoughts I was reading if a shared history exists.

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/me rolls his eyes...

...so far back into his head he can see what he's thinking...

...and he thinks....

<font color="yellow">...handi-wipes. </font color>

 

I think the many criticisms aimed at junk posts (usually justified) have scared and intimidated many potential posters away.

It's hard to mourn the lost posts from intellectual contributors who are limited to 2 word replies like "piss off" ... or those who go on for 50 words about the cheap enemies in kumite mode.

If you're poking out a subtle rebuke at myke for just doing his usual thing - quashing idiocy - you're doing more harm than good. Butt-out posts (as you said, when justified) are invaluable towards keeping the signal to noise ratio tolerable.

 

WuWei: First of all -- this isn't the PS2. It takes work to rank up. So when somebody is screwing the system, it gets on your nerves. As ice-9 said, you can't appreciate it unless you're here.

Ice: I'm not talking about someone using their sub-character. I"m talking about a A sub-CARD (of usually their MAIN character.) If someone uses every character in the book at different levels - bring them on. It's the doubling-up I find unscrupulous.

 

Gaijin Punch: This is where I'm having a problem, I think. I don't care about ranks and I don't understand why anyone does. The only thing of real signifigance, in my opinion, is the win loss ratio. That's where the meat is. It is kind of like, would you rather make more money at your job or have a fancy title. I'd choose the money all the time because the title is insubstantial.

Playing on the PS2, I'll never rank past 1st Dan because everyone I play against is higher and I need those like-dan fights to rank up. They just will not occur unless those around me choose to re-set or create new characters and march through the Kyu's.

As hard as Dan advancing is I think keeping a good win/loss ratio against good competition would be harder. and maybe (especially if you're paying for games in an arcade) more meaningful.

I honestly don't think my being and playing in Japan would change my attitude to this since for me the game has always boiled down to the basic win or lose premise I stated earlier.

 

I originally said something along these lines and people weren't real thrilled with that response... but to play devil's advocate:

does anyone play JUST for themselves and not care at all about impressing other people? Some people might say that... and those people would be full of shit. It's important in any fighting game to get some recognition and positive feedback from the people you play, otherwise if beating them up didn't impress anyone, you might as well practice hard combos and triple throw escapes vs. the cpu.

The vf.net system is simply in place to give credit where it's due, right down to every little percentage point. This system ensures that you can judge other's ability without having played a dozen games with them, and you can also take pride in earning, say, a 7th dan in 500 games where your opponent took 1100 games to reach 6th.

If you could play and win, but never see the enemy's face, never tell anyone about the win, and never have them see or know you, would it be half as enjoyable? Battles in a japanese arcade often AREN'T face to face and you won't be playing friends as often as complete strangers. In that situation, the only thing you can take with you when you beat a chibita-wannabe (besides memories of the one match you had with them) is bragging rights. You can say "I reached mini-emperor by stealing it from a someone with the same rank and over 10,000 wins" If the other guy could somehow rob you of that with some silly card trick, it'd have an impact on you.

 

Well said. While the main purpose for a lot of people is to have fun, and get better, the VF.NET is definitely for show... and of course for AM2 to make loads of cash. (Ver. C I think had 20,000 users, at 300 yen a month a piece!!!)

Anyways, it's just annoying -- not the end of the world. I play against same dan-level people that I know are better than me. PLayed 3 7-dan fights against a VERY strong Jacky (yeah, they're all strong, but this guy is good with a lot of characters) and of course lost them all, even though they all went to the 5th round. I wound up getting 4-in-a-row on other 7-dan's, so I advanced.

Imagine if you were playing Kyasao against his Kage that's already at a stupid rank (and he never played during the beta tests, either). Either you get lucky & win, or he lets you win. Then he pulls out ANOTHER Kage card that's the same rank as you, and you lose your points (or get knocked down a level). Not so fair is it? Yeah, I know - life isn't fair, but you never hear anyone say "Life isn't fair - and you can't bitch about it," now do ya?