General questions about VF

Okay, to sum up what has been said all over this thread (and yes - this is how it goes):

1: You put in 100 yen. If you win - you stay
2: If you lose and want to play again, you put in another 100 yen
3: The only way to pay 100 yen and NOT take a loss, is to lose to the CPU, or beat Dural... or a power outtage, at which point the game center would give you your 100 yen back.
4: The "famous" players get paid for events put on by Sega, not to mention articles/intervies in magazines. Didn't Kyasao used have a monthly or bimonthly column in Famitsu?
5: Most tournaments are set for "free play" but you still have to pay an entry fee... at least to the tournaments I go to. Not sure about Beat Tribe and the others, as I've never been.

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Basically then in your system of VF.Net, the more you lose, the more you have to pay. To me that makes absolutely no sense at all, but again can someone confirm this to us all please?


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Confirmed - that's the way it goes. The more you lose, the more expensive it is.

CreeD:
Your estimate is probably pretty accurate. I don't see Chibita playing by himself that often.

 

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Edit: Ice-9 , Your last line that should probably read the maximum he's spent is the number of losses.

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Hmmm? I think it's the minimum right? Every time you lose that represents at least one time that you've put in a credit to play. Yet, not all credits put in to play are represented by losses if you lose to the CPU or reach Dural.

Just think about the 6-2 example...2 losses, 300 yen.

 

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ice-9 said:

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Edit: Ice-9 , Your last line that should probably read the maximum he's spent is the number of losses.

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Hmmm? I think it's the minimum right? Every time you lose that represents at least one time that you've put in a credit to play. Yet, not all credits put in to play are represented by losses if you lose to the CPU or reach Dural.

Just think about the 6-2 example...2 losses, 300 yen.


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Yeah read my edit2 in the earlier post replied to you, it's a bit harder when you have to factor in the free credits they get at tournaments and what not.

So yes your minumum statement would be correct if they got zero free play credits.

 

See my post about free credits.

 

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GaijinPunch said:

5: Most tournaments are set for "free play" but you still have to pay an entry fee... at least to the tournaments I go to. Not sure about Beat Tribe and the others, as I've never been.


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Yes, if you watch some of the videos from Sega's Kakuto Sineki II week, or some of the A-cho and Daioh videos, you can see the text above the life bars clearly saying, "free play." Which means that you don't have to spend an amount of yen per match, but you still have one match subtracted from your overall total of matches which is 500. But if you look at the videos from VFevo.com of Korean arcades, then after each match you can see the familiar, "insert coin(s)."

In regards to losing against the AI (or beating Durall in arcade mode), this does not count as matches played on a VF.Net character card, as the only way to play arcade mode is either to spend the 100 yen, but not have a match subtracted from your card, or to initiate arcade mode from a "free play" machine.

But at Kakuto Sinseki II didn't Sega have machines that would were set to "free play" with no arcade mode on them (or arcade mode disabled)?

 

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That would defeat the purpose of Sega wanting more people to play at the arcade, as not only in your mind would you be required to pay for each match that you are a challenger as, but those who lost more than those lose less, would in turn have to pay more

Basically then in your system of VF.Net, the more you lose, the more you have to pay. To me that makes absolutely no sense at all, but again can someone confirm this to us all please?

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Of COURSE this is the way it works. How the hell would arcades make money otherwise?

Free play is a special setting mostly for events. Anyone can waltz up the the machine, card or no, press start, and begin playing without needing coinage. All arcade machines have this setting available via DIP switches or audits.

 

I think you are a little off here. When you play the CPU it DOES subtract one match from your vf net card's 500 total(which you purchase for 500 yen) but it doesn't affect your winning/lossing percentage or total number of matchs. Plus from 10 kyuu to 1 kyuu you could play the CPU exclusivly to rank up 1 match = 1 point. So if you put in your 100 yen and then play through and beat dural you get 11 points. Every 100 points ranks you up 1 kyuu, in total you need 1000 points to rank up to first dan. BTW If you play a human opponent and lose you get 5 points.

 

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Zero-chan said:

How the hell would arcades make money otherwise?

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By setting the machines on freeplay, and making all people who enter the arcade pay at the door, many arcades do this at large gatherings, as it saves people the hassle of fiddling with change.

Most if not all tournaments are like this, just letting you know /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif.

 

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By setting the machines on freeplay, and making all people who enter the arcade pay at the door, many arcades do this at large gatherings, as it saves people the hassle of fiddling with change.


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Considering that VF tournaments are about .03 % of total VF profits across the nation, this is a lame idea. It's mainly to promote the game and get people back in.

Well, basically since I just said that, yeah, I'd say that's right. What Drifter said is also right. If you play the CPU, it takes away one of your 500 total matches, but doesn't affect win/loss ratio. I was referring to the fact that it could go either way.

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By setting the machines on freeplay, and making all people who enter the arcade pay at the door, many arcades do this at large gatherings, as it saves people the hassle of fiddling with change


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I've seen both ways. It really just depends on the place. The real upside to the Free Play (or tournament mode... not sure if they differ) is that you've got a higher chance for Price Match.

 

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EmpNovA said:

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Zero-chan said:

How the hell would arcades make money otherwise?

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By setting the machines on freeplay, and making all people who enter the arcade pay at the door, many arcades do this at large gatherings, as it saves people the hassle of fiddling with change.

Most if not all tournaments are like this, just letting you know /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif.

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I'm curious, how do you know so much about tournaments, yet you couldn't grasp the fact that it's pay 1 credit to play/continue at an arcade?

 

I'm curious as why you have to challenge every single one of my posts /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif?

And as most of us have grasped, but you have not, when the machine is set on "FREE PLAY" you do not have to pay a credit, you just lose a match from your 500 character card matches.

 

pltan has a valid point. You had no clue about the "you lose, you pay" system but you come off as knowing how tournaments work, although I'd say most of that is gained from previous posts and watching videos.

As I've stated before, just b/c it's on Free Play, DOES NOT mean you didn't have to pay for the match... some places have no entry fee, some have 100 or 200 yen entry fee (maybe more), in which case you'd actually save at least 100 yen if you made it to the 3rd round.

Honestly, I think this thread has served it's purpose. I think all facts of how the VF arcade system works have been covered.

 

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GaijinPunch said:
As I've stated before, just b/c it's on Free Play, DOES NOT mean you didn't have to pay for the match... some places have no entry fee, some have 100 or 200 yen entry fee (maybe more), in which case you'd actually save at least 100 yen if you made it to the 3rd round.

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At the Daioh tournaments don't they let people continue playing matches after they have been eliminated from the tournament however, just on machines that are designated for free play?

Take a look at the Kumite events, even if you lose at one you can still keep playing with other people, regardless of how much you payed at the door.

 

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EmpNovA said:

I'm curious as why you have to challenge every single one of my posts /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif?

And as most of us have grasped, but you have not, when the machine is set on "FREE PLAY" you do not have to pay a credit, you just lose a match from your 500 character card matches.

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Firstly I'm not challenging every one of your posts. Look at your post count and the time you've spent on this board and look at mine. No way I can keep up. I won't challenge you on a lot of specific VF trivia you spout, because I admit I'm not as knowledgeable about the game as a lot of the posters here. So I'll leave that part to them. But correct me if I'm wrong but the trend so far of your posts seem to take almost a gospel approach, i.e. you post a lot of information proclaiming holy truth and when challenged you act very defensive.

The reason I asked how you know so much about tournaments and not about regular arcade play is due to the fact that you take such an adamant stance about tournaments/matches/win ratios/playstyle etc etc. Yet you didn't know the basic rule every kid at the arcade has learnt by his first hour there: if you lose and you want to continue....guess what? You have to pay.

So that leads me to one of two conclusions :

1. You are a VF god far surpassing us mortals, and only play with the most elite players in private invite only tournaments. And you've never visited a regular arcade because it is beneath you.

2. You've never been to an arcade or a tournament and have no clue what you're going on about.

 

can u stop spitting shit over n over again?

U claim to have been to Japan...gotten over 2500 wins n 500 losses...(if the figures are correct..nevertheless...one poster dug up an old post of urs which u PROUDLY proclaim ur "success")

So..how on planet earth can u come out n say ' WTF? LOSE=PAY FOR ANOTHER GAME????'.....

Most importantly of all, how can someone who...considering ur so called proclaimed ' success' in Japan...be proven wong 80% of the time u're involved in any gameplay thread or the majority of the threads that u are a part of?


I won't dive into another area of ur so called...'japanese skills', considering how shockingly hard it is for many of us here to believe that a 'supposedly' 1/2 japanese person cannot even spell simple Japanese words correctly.

(Just to make it clear, if u r indeed 1/2 Jap....I apologize...some ppl just cannot spell..)

 

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At the Daioh tournaments don't they let people continue playing matches after they have been eliminated from the tournament however, just on machines that are designated for free play?


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I *SERIOUSLY* doubt it. I don't know b/c I've never been - WAAAY to far for me to go for a tournament, but part of the reason they throw the tournaments is to get a bunch of people in the place there that will play each other. Every tournament I have been to has all the other machines filled - even during the tournament. Why the hell would they let them play for free when they'd pay anyway?

If you've spent any kind of time in Japan, you'd know that Japanese are tight with money.. especially businesses. there's one small arcade that was the exception, where I'd get a COUPLE of free credits every few months for something, but I did that arcade a few favors before (translated for a customer that lost their wallet, helped him w/ his computer, etc. etc.) and I was a regular - going there every day since it was right by my gym.

I'm also a regular at Gigo. I've begged for this tourny poster forever (honestly to give it away to someone here as I can't hang it) and they won't fucking budge. Even when Ice-9 was attacked by regaulr (who's been going longer than me) the best they'd fork up was a card-holder. Ice's cleaning bill could've been $30 bucks for all I know (coffee) but they don't seem to think that their customers' actions were their responsbility. In the states Ice coudl've sued the patron for assault and the establishment for negligence. I agree that's taking it too far, but a promo poster seeems a small price to pay for a well-deserved apology. Besides, I found out that wasn't the first time that happened w/ the same guy, nor was it the last. to me - that makes it their responsibility.

 

Gaijin: Just getting back on track a little. Are there tournaments in Japan where certain 'elite players' are used as pull-factor for crowds? And if so, would these players still have to pay an entrance fee or would they play for free?

 

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GaijinPunch said:

............but part of the reason they throw the tournaments is to get a bunch of people in the place there that will play each other. Every tournament I have been to has all the other machines filled - even during the tournament.

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The Daioh videos show that the free play is on during the tournaments, so if you are playing while the tournament is going I am pretty sure you are in "free play." The entrance fees are usually enough to cover the amount of matches that someone could play.


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I'm also a regular at Gigo. I've begged for this tourny poster forever (honestly to give it away to someone here as I can't hang it) and they won't fucking budge. Even when Ice-9 was attacked by regaulr (who's been going longer than me) the best they'd fork up was a card-holder. Ice's cleaning bill could've been $30 bucks for all I know (coffee) but they don't seem to think that their customers' actions were their responsbility. In the states Ice coudl've sued the patron for assault and the establishment for negligence. I agree that's taking it too far, but a promo poster seeems a small price to pay for a well-deserved apology. Besides, I found out that wasn't the first time that happened w/ the same guy, nor was it the last. to me - that makes it their responsibility.

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I thougt there was a thread abought this a while back, can you link it, or either tell the story or PM me something, I couldn't really understand what you were trying to say in the last paragraph.



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pltan said:

Are there tournaments in Japan where certain 'elite players' are used as pull-factor for crowds? And if so, would these players still have to pay an entrance fee or would they play for free?

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Yes, in fact there have been alot of them hosted by Sega, if you check the Sega AM2 media thread you will find enough info there for while, and alot of good matches too.

The players are usually "high profile" type characters, like Chibita, Kyasao, MukkiAkira, Heruru, etc. And most if not all of them get some sort of incentive to participate in the event, after all they are the "guest" and Sega is the "host."

 

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EmpNovA said:
Yes, in fact there have been alot of them hosted by Sega, if you check the Sega AM2 media thread you will find enough info there for while, and alot of good matches too.

The players are usually "high profile" type characters, like Chibita, Kyasao, MukkiAkira, Heruru, etc. And most if not all of them get some sort of incentive to participate in the event, after all they are the "guest" and Sega is the "host."



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Thanks for the reply, how many of these tournaments have you personally been to and what is the fee structure/prize structure?

 

I have never been to a Kumite type of event, where they feature a specific (or two) player(s), as they are more recently popular thing now.

As far as the prizes go, this can differ greatly depending on who hosts it.

If it is competition like Beat Tribe, Tokyo Bay, or Daioh, expect a decent amount of cash (dependant on how many participants where there though), and possibily some other stuff too, nothing huge though. There are usually prizes for second and third place, but of course they are not as significant as first places prize.

But, when Sega has a large tournament, they have the ability to change the rank of a character card, like Minami Akira went from 9th Dan to HaoOh(?) rank for winning the Kakuto Sinseki II tournament. Also Napolean (back in VF4 non-Evo) won the first Kakuto Sinseki and also received a large rank increase.

Sega also gave out what? Trophies, and plaques, they also give out shirts/windbraker jackets, and other trivial things that are all "prizes." Actually Sega AM2 gave some PS2's and VF4 copies out for a prize for something once, can't put my finger on what it was for though.....

I think that answers most of your question, if not just tell me.