Good Games Thread

Answer:
Every character in the game has a different recovery time during a back dash/forward dash canceled evade to a canceled crouch dash g-fuzzy/k,g-cancel.

I tried to make sense of it based on weight classes, but that theory went out the door. (I.E.-Sarah's 442_8 has a really slow recovery and she is light weight, but Akira's seems remarkably faster and Blaze's is similar to FS recovery time which is close to instant)

Really no sense in this or balance and I had hoped they would fix it in FS, but after playing it some characters are once again unbalanced, imho.(Strange how Taka's weight is enforced, wtf)

Having said that, characters with k,g-cancel can add to the step:

-33/11<k,g-cancel<fuzzy
-33/11<k,g-cancel<44_66
-33/11<k,g-cancel<44_66<2_8
-33/11<k,g-cancel<44_66<2_8<33(loop)
-2_8<(failed evade and cancel into)<33<fuzzy<launch

Rules:
-If your not using k,g-cancel after a 11/33 you should tap 2 to reset to get back to 44/66.
-During 11/33 with k,g-cancel there is a certain timing to it, so practice is the key.
-adding special built in movement like lion/shun 3/9+pkg should be used after a 44<2_8 or 11/33<2_k,g-cancel.

Last but not least, I was told many years ago about a true step in vf5.

-44/66<2_8<44/66<2_8<33<option select. This was to ensure you wouldn't failed evade. Vf4 step fails the evade. I haven't been able to punish since it's so far away most of the time and the opponent can crouch dash cancel the failed evade. This brings me to the question why even have a failed evade when you can bypass the system rule.

Anyway, let me know what you think and I invite all to test out and see what they can find.

 

Same for me you know, it's hard to play a shun with 1 bar.
(And YOUR shun with all that trickiness ? lol
I don't think I would last longer if I abare that much against you.)
Also It's almost impossible to fuzzy guard or ETEG at 1 bar.
I remember your shun's 3P MC, you always get a free throw after that, whatever I was doing after: evade throw escaping ( the right throw ), 2P, ducking, P....I even go check shun di 3P frames to see if it gives him on MC +12 or +15 or what lol. No. my character just freezes and refuses to move until she get thrown. LOL. Yes, sometimes I abare when I feel you are going to throw me, or to prevent you to build up your offense, or just to make you block that damn PPP sweep! Also it's a lure to make you want to CH me with a mid, so that I can sabaki or parry you. And sometimes, it's because my opponent abare or abuse a move that pissed me off too, so I need to do the same shit to him haha
However most of time when playing you, Krye NL or rodnutz, I learn to backdash and wait even if I have advantage...
But it's fun anyways, I have learnt to play against shun mainly thanks to you, so ggs
Lag is annoying for me too sds overfiend, I have hard time dealing and evading jacky's 1P but seriously it's a good weapon against aoi so I'm not complaining. GGs to you. Something I notice about you, you tech roll everytime and do 2P....like 90% of the time. I don't know why you keep doing this unless I'm trying to throw you, but I don't since I knew you are going to do that.
It's good to use 2P against aoi, but you shouldn't be predictable while using it. I was a little surprised that you only use 2P in that situation.
And like I told you before, playing against Aoi need a specific strategy, like playing against a shun or a lei fei. I can see that you start to understand that, because for example after your P,K hit +4, you do circular moves sometimes to prevent my sabaki or parry.

Happy Lau friend, what's all about ? didn't you tell I was a turtler ? Talking about spamming, just yesterday all you lau was doing is sweep, 1KK, sweep, unluckily for you, we have 2 bars so I blocked and punish all your low spamming with no problem...or maybe it was abrupdaddy who play under your account...
Oh, and Feck is a noob

GGs to rodnutz, you are very hard to hit due to your zoning spacing and movement ( I try to copy you and move like you, but...I fail XD)). sorry if I seems like a noob blocking all your P,P,P,P, but that's what happen when I try to fuzzy at 1 bar lol.

GGs to smince82... sorry for my Kage noob, but it was fun anyways !

GGs to shun is drunk, Rookie NL, dfc78, geyron86, The weiand, Methylidene and titantony

 

Thanks for the advice.. i come into the match with a stat but then i get frustrated when my timing to punish things gets affected. As far the 2p tech thingie.. its was working a bit since you was following up with highs but when i evaded i get tracked when i wait out the sequence. What gets me is Aoi attacks have a very large distance to them so even when i think im out of range i get caught.. Lil known fact is i often get distracted by the big sleeves lol!! Aoi is lucky casue she does'nt have to follow the basic fundamentals of VF (Attacking on disadvantage and advantages). She can attack freely with subaki's,counters and stance to punish even when she at disadvantage so naturally i punish things the way i see fit.Since Jacky full circular start up take time im often mistime them with lag. Still fun matches nonetheless and i need the practice.

 

Tim, where did you get this info? I thought the characters model should be the same so as their evade recovery time. I'm talking about 2(8) > 44(66), not 11(33).

 

While I have my moments of frustration (mainly with lag and not you) I don't get as disturbed about your play style as others. The only thing about your play style that puzzled me was the constant abare even when you would get punished for it over and over.

Now that you explained what's going on in your head / with your play style I guess the method to your madness makes sense. And I agree with the advice you gave to SDS that Aoi does require a completely different strategy similar to how Shun has his own.

I think it's great that you posted some insight to your play style and offered some advice on how to deal with Aoi.

By the way, hands down you have the best setups to date since this game came out. In all the years I have been playing VF no one's setups has impressed me like yours. Yeah I have played tons of strong players that could probably own the both of us like 20+ games straight, but their mix ups imo is not a good as yours. Good stuff man!

To HappyFriend; seriously dude I'm not trying to gang up on you, but all the things you complain about are the same things you do when you play against others. I remember like 1 or 2 weeks ago I purposely played you just doing 1 TE, constantly dashing forward and all you did was run. If I got close all you did was;

1k to 8kk

1kk

1k to 2p to 44 2k+g

2p to 44 2k+g

Occasionally when all that was failing you then went into SUPER turtle mode, spammed 66p+k to G to 66p+k over and over with random throws here and there.

Seriously you need to save some of your matches and look at how all the things you call foul on you practice.

STL TM; thanks for taking the time out to provide all that info. I've copied / pasted it to my desktop and will look into it. Although my hands aren't what they used to be I've always been a fan of stepping.

 

Kingo I'm glad you didn't take offense because none was meant. I agree with what you say, and definitely the lag feels the same on both ends. I agree with Rodney that your setups are awesome and refreshing. I've never seen another Aoi online play the way you do, and with the creativity you have.

I think our matches could be even more incredibly fun offline. I think they would be extremely fast paced and painful! I would love the chance someday!!

As for 3P -> throw, don't get too discouraged because that little scenario has a high chance of working even when lag isn't a factor, although lag does make it incredibly difficult to prevent. Let's play again soon!

Lastly, Rodney, you are usually very good about advice and I look to you because I feel like I've become very stale and predictable these last few months. I'm not sure if I just need a break or if everyone else is getting much better/finally figured out how to punish my Shunanigans. I still feel like the way Shun became (buffed) in VF5 has led me slightly astray from VF fundamentals. And I find myself at a loss to gain some of those strategies back. I'm wondering if playing solely Jacky for months will get my strats back.

Anyway, GGs to everyone I've played recently!

 

ggs last night to sf3rdsrike (not the convorsational type) nice brad but your wolf is better. ggs blossy fun as always but i notice every time im on a tiny bit health you do the running jump knee and i get you. rodnuts well theres not much i can say apart from grr you make me mad lol. ggs the wieand ggs i seem to have a better chance against your wolf when im kage. and finally kingo stick with kage you still whopped me even though your new with him at least i have a fighting chance for now lol. also ggs the other night to cf whiteworm and batslotus. ive yet to play jjhow who do u use pal.

 

JHow I don't think you have become predictable I think it's a combination of a few things.

First you have to give everyone credit and the fact is pretty much everyone got a lot better.

Second, your style of play were not shenanigans. You allowed them to become shenanigans by getting to comfortable with the fact that the things you developed always worked and got you the wins. There was a short time where the things that you came up with were unstoppable. And when there is no one around to stop you you stop trying to develop new things because no one is pushing.

Third, when you are not being pushed you lose your desire to win. Sure you might be having fun and you may be winning, but the satisfaction level in those wins is not the same as they used to be. I think this is why people switch characters. They hope by picking a new character it will revitalize that burning desire they once had to win. In a sense it does work for a bit because with a new character you do have to now learn news techniques, setups and combos to win. But in the end once you get that new char to a level where you can win with them you still won't regain that lost desire. In my opinion the only way to get it back is A) a new game has to be released or B) the community needs a wider variety of new players with new styles or old players trying new things to get their asses back online.

Playing Jacky I think will overall help your Shun, but once you go back to Shun I give you about 3-4 days before you start playing the same old lazy way you used to. I can honestly say that while I do play safe I am very lazy. And as much as I am online hosting or joining matches I'm actually not having as much fun as I used too. Seriously the only time I am having fun is when I'm losing.

 

bravo. well said rodnutz

 

Dennis-
Try Sarah's 442_833G vs. Blaze's 442_833G. The speed is completely different.

 

You shut your mouth!




In all seriousness though, thanks Rod. I figured as such. I'm just not sure if there is anything left to develop in terms of Shunanigans. If not, it's time to work on my basics. Damn all you learning my tricks!!

 

LOLOL!

we all have a lot of shit to work on. OMFGGGGG

 

I rarely do K+G ( high circular what side turn ) or throw to be honest when my foe tech, except when he tends to ETEG after tech roll. In your case, I figured out you always want to attack after tech roll so I just sweep MC or dash and MC you with a mid move.

I think maybe you are talking about her 66P, a spinning elbow what has a very good range, but it is also half circular. I tend to spam it when you are back to the ring or the wall.

Yeah I'm sure of it, since you are the only one I know who seems to know how to fight Aoi properly and handle her.
I remember when you punished her sweep into tenchi evade, by just waiting at the very end of her dodge animation to get free launcher or throw, like a kage player against nuki's Aoi during vf4 days. I thought I was the only one who know it was possible ! lol
Also because of your spacing, I try to reach you with Aoi string PPP, to make you eventually standing guard or crouching guard, waiting for the sweep, because you never stay idle, man !

And thx for the comments on my Aoi, I watch VF videos everyday since VF4 so it helps to build up a playstyle. Even thx to VF5FS I learn new things to adapt to Aoi's VF5 game.

 

i want that aoi again, the fact that i literally couldnt touch u made me go back n do sum research.

i have the same problem when i fight kage (used to be shun too but i dunno, i just GOT it 1 day)

its EXTREMELY frustrating and sometimes demoralizing but that just makes me want to win more

so GGs, and i'm hitting you next time

 

Konjou: I have played you enough over the years to get a sense of your game. You play very carefully and do not take a lot of risks. Over the years when I just start throwing out attacks, I get punished so I also try to play pretty carefully myself. If you suddenly changed your style, I did not notice it or I thought it was some kind of trick. A big advantage of playing super safe is that the hesitation it creates in the other player makes it easier to attack since the opponent does not want to be punished for being overly aggressive. And 66p+k seems good against you b/c it catches a lot of your dodges and will also hit you in the middle of some your p and 2p jabs and the secodn hit can get you in the middle of some attacks after you have evade cancel-attacked. At least that is my thinking.

Kingo: All that I said was what Feck said. It does seem like you will backdash a lot and then unload a string or series without regard to what the other player does because it does not seem that it could be otherwise given that you would have no time to adjust. Not saying that everyone doesn't do that to some degree...

I was trying to use low sweep and 1kk b/c you were doing Aoi's property moves to magically eat my attacks at huge disadvantage or you were using Aoi's magical eat-every-punch-kick-elbow stance. And when I tried to deal with these with p+k or k+g it seemed you backdashed and then opened up a can of potted meat. But the two matches each went five rounds so I think they were reasonably close. So, I think that is silly to call me addy who I have never even experienced using a lot of low attacks and in fact spams dmpk which I never intentionally use on purpose.

 

Sure, I would have said well played if thoses 2K+G and 1KK were done from advantage, but...I don't think I'm gonna sabaki or go into tenchi stance when I have the advantage, or when I'm approaching your Lau, right ? At some point I remember just baiting you to do these moves and when you see me blocking sweep and duck 1KK so often, it surely doesn't mean you were using them right...
But in fact I like playing you, but you have your reasons to quit after a few matches so no problem.

 

ggs last night to sf3rdstrike, blossy short and sweet, batilotus and colladdy nice kage

 

Yeah Kaminari_Oyaji is right, all the characters have different weight to them when it comes to stepping for some reason.

I actually think that's pretty cool though.

 

I think Tim was talking about crouch dash such as 11 and 33, am I right? Is there any difference for 844 or 266? I thought all characters have the same evade cancel step.