Good Games Thread

GG's to:

Blossy1000
SixiethRobin82
Chief Flash
SowderJames & AddyPaddy & JCBlack for stalking
AND

Kingo - Ok Kingo I'm gonna ask the question that everyone ask me because they are to afraid I guess to ask you. Do you EVER block after getting normal or counter hit.... or is it that you always attack because your joystick just doesn't have a block button? I often get messages from players who you seem to just ass rape asking me how do I do against you or can I give them some kind of tip on how to handle your style of play. I think I do fairly well against you when I'm using a character I'm very familiar with, so I offer what I can but I'm sure it doesn't help them much because Aoi / Eileen are weird characters where you have to approach them slightly differently like you would Shun. So, can you elaborate to the board on your method to madness? I remember JHow asking you something like this a while back, but now I'm curious after our last session which is why I kept using DMPK. I watched some old replays vids of some of our matches and there was sooooooooo many cases where you would get counter hit anywhere from 2-6 times in a row, but it still didn't deter you from attacking out of the situations you were in. I think if everyone realized that you are mashing they wouldn't really have that hard of a time with you. So, are you a masher? And please don't say it's because of lag, because even some of the Euro players you have a good connection with think your are a masher.

 

Oh, I was just fooling around with you last night. You could tell because I started using DM P+K too, and I never use that move lol.
But to answer your question, I abare when I think you are going to throw me. Well, bad news, most of the time, I guess wrong, especially against you. It can be also me screwing my inputs when trying to do a sabaki move.
I'm a little surprised about that whole anti-kingo tips thing.
Ass-rape who ? it's more because somehow I always manage to win that 5th round.
First thing I learned when playing VF5 is to deal with abare or 2P, so people who complain about me should learn that too....so that I can parry them lol
It's funny because I always thought I don't abare enough, and when I try to mash, it doesn't work, I always get screwed, while my opponent abare tactics work wonderfully.

GGs lastly to Ad4m, erdraug, blossy, load psycho, denkai, the weiand and you, rodnutz.

 

Just something in Kingo's defense (kind of):

While I definitely feel some of the tactics he uses wouldn't work (on me) offline, I've played him often enough to know he'd quickly discard whatever doesn't work. Whatever things people might think make him a non-legit player (or whatever you want to call it), like 'mashing' something to counter something specific, I'm sure he'd learn the 'proper' way of doing it in no time whatsoever if someone'd punish him (consistently) for it.

He's a strong player that will adapt, so everyone moaning that they can't beat him: it's simply because he's better than you and probably puts in a lot more work than you do. So start training or stop complaining, easy.

Kingo: Let's play offline someday!

PS: Just so that I've done it once: ggs to everyone I've ever played

PPS: Aoi is too strong in walled stages =p

 

After I played some Aoi vs Blaze with Kingo in a walled stage for a while I came to the conclusion that Aoi is broken with walls and she should be banned as such. I'm gonna be on for a little bit tonight Would appreciate some games and feedback.

 

Kingo thanks for the reply. I know you were fooling around last night with the whole DMPK thing. As far was who has asked for tips against you well I'd rather not put peoples names out there, but I have been asked by quite a few people.

Maybe I was being to blunt, but I just wanted insight on your style because seriously when we play and I don't mind playing with you because if I did I wouldn't join your games every chance I get when you are hosting... back to what I'm saying, but when we play it always seems like you abare on any given normal or counter hit. And yes I have figured out that you do it because you don't want to be thrown which is why I have adopted a style just for you in order to get the throws.

Often it takes like 3-4 counter hits of either 2P or high P just to get you to tap that block button. At first I thought it was you just fighting through the lag but then I realized "oh he doesn't want to get thrown"

@ Krye - My apologies if I seem like I was attacking Kingo. I'm fully aware of how good a player he is and how hard he works. It was only just a few weeks ago I complimented him on the setups that he developed with Aoi. I have a lot of respect for his skill level. I was just fishing...

 

Ggs unoriginal sin from canada, strong player. I wonder who this is on vfdc. Ggs awesome connection intense matches. Glad there r other strong vf canadians. Btw do u play usually around 3am 4am if so would like to play more often. Rikojiang ur shun is too strong. Seventienthrobin82 jacky vs goh. Intense matches, i got beat but playing a jacky like that is a treat. I think i know who this is, i felt like i knew within 1 game cus ur playstyle is distint..and becus nobody strikes that good. Radstiq, shumai, pocopo, datchi thnks for playing my lei fei.. I quit all subs to master him. Sevensided.. Wetland what time do u play now?

 

I know you know, it was meant for the people that asked you

 

Uh, thanks to...

Blossy
SowderJames
Kingo

and whoever else beat my ass for the last 3 days (I'm the scrubby Goh, bai da wei). Baptism by fire is usually the best way to learn, and I see that VF is no exception. I'll be looking forward to more matches, and hopefully get some pointers/tips/advice on how to improve.

Gracias amigos

 

rodnutz, whenever I try to throw you, you enter into P/2P mode, somehow I'm trying to do it back to you.
Well, only your Akira though.
I like to throw after a P/2P NH or MC especially, and I think you figured it out, that's why you often punch me out of it ( although there are situations I'm sure you shouldn't be able to avoid getting thrown offline), I didn't call you mashing, but rather "right guess". 2P twice in a row works well against me, and I even steal that strat now :-D
To the people who think I abare...hey, except a few players like Krye NL, you are still trying to attack me after a 2P blocked and I rarely see any fuzzy guard...

Yeah Aoi is broken in walled stages, but she's not the only one in VF5FS so...let me enjoy that for one more year !

ggs today to Nybec, blossy and KryeNL

 

Good games to Plague, instanoodlz, and Jargen.

 

I think all those G-cancels into 0f throw are sufficient proof kingo's guard button is not broken

Also, why Seidon, when i was complaining about Aoi and walled stages a couple of weeks ago, wasn't it you the other day who told me "just block Aoi's f,f+p?"

Anyway, i've mentioned this more than 3 years ago: the matter of fact is, kingo does max damage combos with Aoi.

Most of us when we face an Aoi player we go "oh, ok, it's aoi, i'll maybe get my shit reversed once or twice but i'll make it up by doing more damage to her when i manage to float her". She has this reputation of low damaging floats. Well, guess what? f,f+k > d+k,p,p is not a max damage float. Nor is df,df+p+k > p,p,p,k.

When i'm facing kingo he needs 3 floats to finish a round. He doesn't need 4 floats like other Aoi players. And if lands a CH, he will following it with a max damage float too, not a random ground throw attempt.

I think it's the same thing for everybody else who plays him. Even people who use the heavyweights. I'm sure he's figured out character specific max-damage combos for them too. And all of a sudden Aoi's dealing back to you as much damage as you're dealing to her.

Then comes the rationalization "wow, either Aoi's stronger than i used to think, or the guy playing her is cheating/spaming/psychic/etc. But the tier lists put her on B rank so surely it's the player's abusing something".

The matter of fact is, he's not abusing anything. Those times i meantioned some quite extraordinarily long training sessions? Yeah, those are real.

PS: he's a bot

 

Kingo I think this is where the problem lies for most of the people that play against you. You are really good at hit checking and cutting in, so I don't think they realize that if their 2P is defended they shouldn't attack because you will cut in. It took many matches with you for me to realize this. Before when we played hit or blocked I would always try to attack after my 2P's. While I'm not as good at hit checking as you are I do at least try to hear the hit sound or look for a yellow flash before I make my next move. I agree they should probably try to fuzzy a little more against you.

And Aoi is not the only character in Vanilla that's broken on walls. Akira is pretty broken on walls, but unfortunately I'm not that good at using the wall. Plague and GT are Akira wall masters. I actually hate wall stages because I always tend to be the victim at the receiving end of the damage.

 

GG's to Unoriginal Sin - Had a Nice Session and A Beautiful Connect. All the way in Canada it felt like he was next door. Amazing. Nice Akira with Morals and speed.

AS for the The whole Aoi issue. If i had a character where they could never be put at disadvantage i attack all day too and counter. No downplaying anyone but online Aoi's a fucking beast cause of what she is allow to do to break the system. Alright Enough Gears. Time to get a feel back for VF but somehow my mind is not into it. my movement and thought process suffer badly until i get the hunger again.

 

Hey, I'm offended... LOL!

In all seriousness, I do know what you and some people mean about Aoi though. It's kind of easy to abuse the system with her online in the various ways she can still constantly attack an opponent while at disadvantage with her G-cancel attack/throws, parries, reversals, etc. But... man, while I am guilty as charged for doing these things myself, I also know I would bore myself if I were to constantly play that way all the time. I mean, I really prefer to diversify the way I attack and defend with Aoi. And I don't know about how other people play with her, but my girl likes being a flashy bitch.

Kruza

 

Kingo is a good player, when I play him we usually go back and forth. However, I do agree that playing Aoi (when it isn't the best connection) online is an uphill battle for a few reasons. Her cancels into 0 frame throws becomes that much stronger when the connection isn't the best, it's impossible to react in time and you will find yourself getting thrown even when you notice the fake-out. Also anyone in the game that has a fast PPP2k string online is really good on laggy connections because you have to duck before you block the 3rd P or the 2k is practically guaranteed.

That being said, it's an online thing. I never nor should anyone take the game seriously online even if you think you'll have a decent connection it's never the same. Win or Lose it doesn't really matter online

 

It's very hard to react online against AOI's G cancel.

 

Uh oh Denkai. Now you done did it.

 

Which character has the best wall game?

GGs to AZ last night. Haven't played in a while, it was fun

In regards to this Kingo stuff, I know he's better than me but I feel I would do better offline. Sometimes I see the cancels and still get thrown. I'm too throw happy myself so I do get smacked out of a lot of things though.

 

rodnutz -> I hate getting hit by a second 2P or any other move after I blocked the first 2P. Against 90% people I play online, I have to elbow CH right away. While playing you for example, you bait me into this because you know I will attack you with an elbow, and I'm not familiar to sweep or throw after I block a 2P, because most of the time my opponents will attack anyway..
It's like against Krye, I was so glad to attempt sometimes a low throw after I hit him with PK. Because he's like the only one in europe who actually fuzzy guard after my PK !
People with good defense or moral players can really throw me off and give me a hard time.
I don't think I abuse much with the cancels throws though, against good players I tend to get ducked or 2P out of it. I do cancel throw when the first part of the string staggers or MC you, which is still hard to avoid, right ? especially if I mix with 43P.

Denkai-> PPP doesn't jail on block, you can 2P before the 3rd P.
But Aoi has PP6P to counter that.
I'm a little surprised about Aoi online stuffs, I'm sure there are characters that benefit from the lag more. DM P+K stuffs, 1KK from the chan( geez, I duck the second kick and try to punish and get hit anyway ?? ), Jacky 1P to 6P because I ducked, waiting for the second high kick, Eileen flip etc...

But I'm a player who do know how the game works offline too.


SDS -> I don't think Aoi "breaks the mechanics", it's more that she's good against people who attack when they have frames advantage, with a quick or mid move ( like....ME !!! ). I played a lot of Aoi mirror before and I really learnt how a Aoi parry-reversal-happy can be annoying, and forces you to think and use more throws or unparryable moves, or wait and delay your next move. Before I was aware of that, tenchi stance and reversal were just an extra defensive option for me.
Seidon -> I'm sure I'm better offline too

 

It's hard enough to react offline so online you can forget it, especially in a connection that's not optimal.

Kingo- I know you aren't jailed by ppp but it is true that you Must block low before the 3rd P..either block or 2p doesn't matter to guard the 2K in time.