High, Mid, Low blocking - A different approach

You're right, it does.

I was trying to say these kinds of character specific guessing games would become a lot more pronounced, as opposed to a general block > strike > throw > block system.

You'd have something where your high could beat some characters' mids, but not other characters' mids, or your mid could lose to certain lows, so it would be all very character specific.

For example, we don't have a character in any game that I know of that has a special stance that auto breaks all throws and yet allows some form of blocking. Stuff like that which completely throws off traditional guessing systems is what I'd like to see more of.

Hope that makes things more clear.

 

You should rarely have a crouch unless your ducking under something (bob and weave) or performing a wrestling shot. Low attacks should be done with animations that make sense. There should be some sort of penalty for staying crouched.

 

Sorry for the necro, but this thread is great for musing discussion, and Myke linked me over here. I think many of the current fighting game conventions don't need to be scrapped entirely for a 3-point system. The key word is acceptability (by the gamers). Some of the complaints can be fixed just aesthetically.

(1) Crouching state: Rather than being represented by the character kneeling down, just how him/her hunched over at the hips. That's a visual cue that the character is "crouched." It doesn't even have to be a very low stance; when the opponent initiates a high attack within connect range, the game automatically starts repeated "ducking" animations on your "crouched" character, so visually the high attacks still whiff. It may actually look quite cool, like how in kung fu movies you see punches by mooks repeatedly whiff against the high-level fighter character who just dodges.

(2) VF's low punch: Initiated by the character in the above "crouch" state. But it doesn't look like a weak punch to the thigh. Instead, it varies depending on the character. For example, maybe Jeffry would do a quick low shove at your hips to push you away, while Sarah might punch you in the balls (but miss, I guess). Regardless, if should do only tick damage and is only meant to disrupt the string.

 

i think after u do 3 crouched punches it should pause for a sec that way it wont be annoying or cheap that will solve the bs low gay punches

 

Wow looking back at this bullshit topic in retrospect... it could be worst... It could be like VF3 and go back to the squat animation that looked gay as fuck. If 2p looks stupid then every low punch in the game looks dumb as fuck also. From Blaze,Jacky and Brad

 

How about if it's so bad and dumb looking to you, just play another game. This topic is starting to annoy me. The makers of the game want it the way it is, just be happy that you have a f**king new VF game. Some people. (facepalm)

 

Wow. Totally wasn't expecting the necro, but don't worry. I like the topic enough to talk about it more.

I like idea number 1, and it's quite feasible because similar stuff has been done in other games before. If you've ever played Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen, one of the characters Shikamaru has an evade as his block animation. So while all other characters block, he responds to attacks with evades only. The character's hunched state could be made more obvious by them taking a distinct low guarding stance.

As for number 2, I've already stated my idea before. I'd prefer low punch animations to be angled up towards the stomach, like in Street Fighter 1. Quick body blows won't knock someone out easily, but they'll slow them down.

To the other 2 guys, VF is my favourite game, but it's by no means perfect. I like how Sega have the balls to go back and update animations, even though they don't have to. They even changed the animation for Akira's signature Single Palm and Double Jump Kicks. There's nothing wrong with wanting some better animations for the most uncool looking move in the game.


And... guys, this topic is in General.

Nowhere does it say any of us want VF to change it's blocking system. The 2P discussion is a side topic. Stop getting so defensive.

 

I would have to mention that I mained Lau in VF4evo, so I know his old animations like the back of my hand... and the VF5FS updated animations are fantastic. It feels like a brand new game, even if the graphical textures are all still the same as VF5 vanilla (I have it but didn't play extensively because PS3 version is offline only).

Lau's old PPPK looks like a mannequin shooting his arms out by some spring-loaded mechanism. I totally got used to it, but the new FS animations made me realize just how un-lifelike the old ones were. Now Lau looks like he's actually a power martial artist. Presentation really is that important.

 

ya but they took laus nicest throws away wich were one of the best throws in the game they fucked lau up he deserves them back

 

This was the knock on VF that some of the same animations from 3 were still used. They did'nt have any "Conviction" to them.

 

You mean the down, back, forward P+G? That's the only throw I can remember he's missing, offhand.
It's nice but it still ends in forward, so gameplay wise it doesn't help mix up your Lau throws.

@ Overfiend:
Actually I think the PPPK animations had been the same since VF1. Finally in FS they retired that animation set for everyone.