Homosexuality and Gay Marriage

You come on so strong - like a fifty one foot elephant with 100mm howitzers for tusks, your hide festooned with garish banners flappy preposterously, traipsing clumsily, flames shooting from your toenails, all the while using words like "debacle," "opionated"(sic), and "intransitive form of the verb!" You proclaim your thoughts as irrefutable facts while calling mine drivel. You sound off furiously in your posts, shouting from the pedestal of BLoOdBl4Ze TRUTH!!!


I think you have the right.

But then you get upset over people's reactions.

What kind of consequences were you expecting for actions like that?


I don't know if this thread can be classified as varying arguements, debates, or just expressions of thoughts. Why is that so important to you? Why did you even mention locking this thread?

I agree that with the onset of AIDS, homosexuality got a ton of media. I'm glad this happened. It helps to build awareness that there are a lot of gay people out there. As far as looking into the past, when GodEater named famous gay individuals, I thought about the fact that there were less people alive back then - even so there were gays among the celebrity (the celebrity being a select few). I think homosexuality is present in the same percentage of people now as it was then. Add increased awareness through extensive media and suddenly you realize it's everywhere...

And yet they're being denied rights to marry.

And you refuse to believe they were born that way.

And I want you to change your mind.

And I act on that by presenting
scenarios difficult to deny.

 

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kungfusmurf said:

DriftPlusPlus, who are you replying to?

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It started as a response to you smurf, but it was not directed at you nor anyone in particular. You said that we weren't trying to change anyone's (bloodblaze) mind on how they view homosexuals. My point was that regardless of opinion, rights are rights. Believe what you want, but don't tread on me. However, by the time I finished it, there were a couple of replies already. (I really should start quoting /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

 

*yawn* I stopped reading this thread a couple pages ago. but lemme see if I can recape for those who only care a little bit.

Gay Marriage = OK
Bush = BAD
Peoples oppions = DIFFER

As for being gay being genetic... I think not. Being gay is sometimes a matter of enviroment affecting a personality, but sometimes it is a matter of choice. This is a matter of much debate (as can be seen by this thread), but as usuall with arguing things on VFDC or any BBS it is FUTILE.

 

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Vith_Dos said:

*yawn* I stopped reading this thread a couple pages ago. but lemme see if I can recape for those who only care a little bit.

Gay Marriage = OK
Bush = BAD
Peoples oppions = DIFFER


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You forgot to mention the gay hyenas.

 

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but sometimes it is a matter of choice

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You can choose to be gay?

 

gayz are PROBABLY affected by their enviroment, rather than Dna/genetics. some of them have funny accents you know /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, so are you saying accents are genetic.

and besides, i never see anyone complaning about females gayz....hmmm....

 

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DrunkenCat said:
You can choose to be gay?

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yeah all the cool kids are doing it

 

Well, from my own experience,

I know some gay or bi friends, and as I talked with them, I found out that some of them were kinda born as that way(being a bi or gay) where as the others chose to be that way. So, I think it depends on both genetic and social influences.

 

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Well, from my own experience,

I know some gay or bi friends, and as I talked with them, I found out that some of them were kinda born as that way(being a bi or gay) where as the others chose to be that way. So, I think it depends on both genetic and social influences.

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My understanding is that choosing to be gay means accepting what has been your instinct or feeling that you have had for your whole life, and finally "coming out of the closet". The only reason I want to clarify is because I find it hard to believe that someone would literally choose to be gay as if they could swing either way at a moments notice.

 

u could be anything if u put ur mind to it =P

 

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DrunkenCat said:

My understanding is that choosing to be gay means accepting what has been your instinct or feeling that you have had for your whole life, and finally "coming out of the closet".

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I agree. In a completely unbiased situation (read: neither genetic nor environmental) choosing to be gay (from a male point of view) means telling yourself, "Ya know, I haven't really given it much thought, but I think I'm going to find guys attractive from now on. I choose to be gay." This is simply not the case. Either you find a certain gender sexually attractive or you don't. There is no switch to be toggled. Now, many late bloomers claim it was all their decision to be gay, but this is a pyschological response to finally taking their sexuality into their own hands and not letting society force their views. It was not their choice to be gay, but rather their choice to live gay.

 

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DriftPlusPlus said:
It was not their choice to be gay, but rather their choice to live gay.

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Drift, I would be hugely surprised if more than a half dozen people could actually understand the difference in what you posted. But that thought is GOLDEN.

 

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Painty_J said:

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DriftPlusPlus said:
It was not their choice to be gay, but rather their choice to live gay.

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Drift, I would be hugely surprised if more than a half dozen people could actually understand the difference in what you posted. But that thought is GOLDEN.

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Well, actually Shang fits this bill from what Jerky has been going through this pass year. Shang lives gay but he's not gay. I saw his girlfriend and she's pretty decent and even she's not good enough for her I mean for him so go figures. I'm all confused now and it's beginning to make me wonder if I'm being gay by posting this.

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Painty_J said:

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DriftPlusPlus said:
It was not their choice to be gay, but rather their choice to live gay.

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Drift, I would be hugely surprised if more than a half dozen people could actually understand the difference in what you posted. But that thought is GOLDEN.

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean, Painty_J, but I will clarify. That statement was meant to show that there are gay people who choose to ignore their sexuality (because of either self-hatred or fear of social reaction) and live 'normal' heterosexual lives and then there are the people who know how society feels about homosexuality and still "choose" to be gay. Their statements of "I chose to be gay" are simply personal empowerment about their decision to live their own lives free from social constraints. That is the difference between being gay and living gay.

 

I knew that.

But whenever I say something like that, usually I get blank stares and "What's the difference?"

 

oh...my...god.

The Daily Show from March 11th has one of the best EVER segments on homosexuality and the animal kingdon. Samantha Bee has never been better! I don't mean to sully this thread with big humour but....I will.

www.suprnova.org has the link under "TV Shows". but also, here is a direct link (shhh): daily show: march 11th - funny stuff


Seriously, if you have Bittorrent and like to laugh, click baby.

GE

 

Getting into this debate kind of late but....

I know a lot people think that gay people are that way because of environment and not genetics. There are those that perpetrate the fraud. I do, however, believe that most gay people are born that way. I knew growing up that as a female I liked men. I didn't think about what sex I was attracted to; I just knew. Of course, when it comes to same sex relationships, people can't understand that it's the same type of attraction for them.
Getting into the genetic theory, what would you say to those people who are actually considered to be hermaphrodites? Genetics has affected their lives in the most extreme ways. They are bisexual in the literal sense. Why is it so difficult to believe that a man who is gay was possibly born with more estrogen than another man?

 

The way I see it theres nothing wrong with being gay, as long as it isn't my girlfriend. If people want to be gay let them be whatever the hell they want, hell if it where up to me I would have Prostitiution legal. Besides the reason some people discriminate agaisnt gay people is because thet aren't sure about themself and just deny they prefer to be with the same Gender because the most of the society refuses to accept them, wich most of the time they are the ones that end up being gay.

 

I don't care about gay marriage, I don't have any probelm it, they can marry if they want.
However I DO NOT THINK gay should have adoption rights, I can't imageing having two male parents or two female parents(married or not). That would be a nightmare.