If there was one thing you could modify or add ?

Definitely have more Shun drunken stepping, perhaps even use the stepping as a "stance" in itself, 2 or 3 steps to initiate a certain series, maybe even a G-cancel out of it and go with evasive system...does this make sense? or is this already the case in Evo?

 

Very definitely Aoi VF4 could do a limb breaker after KO, which is very nice if you've won a hard Jacky match (rare for me). I do consider continual down attacks to be disrespectful, though I can't blame someone who plays Lau and has floated a guy into a wall, initiating a KO, going ahead and continuing to PPPK them. This can be part of a psychological demoralizing process during a match that will win the next round and the match as a whole. The continual down attacks however...just show your opponent that all you care about is humiliating them and showing your ass.

 

Tends to make you look "immature" though - it's definitely not looked well upon here. To me, it shows that you're more frustrated than anything.

 

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The same opponents that SPAM down attacks after won matches, are the same ones that attack the cabinets after lost matches /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

I think that a single down attack is highly appropriate in some situations. At a Daioh tournament once, (couple months after Evo's release, I think they recorded this match on video), there was a Kage player who was "getting into" the matches, so much that when he would win, every single person in the arcade would laugh with him and cheer for him. His next match was against a farily well known Akira player, who had been having a good night of fights.

The first round the Kage player smoked the Akira player, he pulled off KoenRaku, and pressured his opponent into the wall and pummeled him. The second round was even with Akira coming out on top, the third round though....

In the third round things were neck and neck, and the Akira player was about to complete the shrm p f,f+kk combo, but the second kick missed /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. As soon as the Kage player recovered, he slammed down on +, only to get............REVERSED!!!

It was pretty cool to see an Akira player with about 5 life remaining reverse another player to win the round, after the reversal he performed, a light down attack, to show that he was in control of the match, to add to the mind games.

 

I could give a shit...after you've won, the opponent is your bitch..its all part of the mind game..
I would like to see shun get another stance...but also in his attacks, for him to use more stances, like in the old kung fu movies.

 

Mind games are one thing, bullying is another, IMO. It's no different than a chess player announcing all the moves you have remaining, and that he'll check you in three or four, win in five, something like that. Sure, the psychological war is important, and you should definitely kill another player at the end of ROUNDS in order to insure they're still thinking about it next round. But the disdain shown at the END by constant down attacks is disrespectful.

NOW, saying that, if I was to go up two rounds in a best of five, and I mean dominating, and then have a player come back and win by the skin of his teeth, then he deserves to keep stomping to his heart's content. That could be construed as celebration, and wouldn't bother me. Well, it'd piss me off, but more at myself for not having been smart enough to stop the bleeding.

 

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I could give a shit...after you've won, the opponent is your bitch..its all part of the mind game..

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Yeah there is a line between, playing mind games (here's the line --------------------) and being a bully/obnoxious.

I seriously doubt you would have the same attitude if you were the one getting beaten, but you never know.


In Japan, most of the matches that come out of there that we see, all are of players with like 70%+ win ratios (most of the time), in order to have that, there must be an opponent with a 30% or below ratio somewhere else. When Chibita beats a 45% Jacky, he doesn't spam down attacks like a jerk, he goes for the win without humiliating the other player. And also in the arcades, there are little kids who play VF4 who have their own characters, do you think they like it when some arrogant egotist has to make them look bad just because "they're his bitch" ?

 

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This never fails to make me laugh. Too many people invest too much of themselves into this game. Kbcat and I would always go for double pounces or "down attacks" after the round in VF1. I thought it was hillarious.

I don't see how its immature or disrespectful. This isn't a dojo, you're not really kicking a downed opponent and there isn't any real consequence (the damage doesn't carry over into the next round) to it so there shouldn't be any emotive response, in my opinion.

This seems just like the "no throw" and "I always get a mercy" rules I used to see in the Toronto arcades back in VF2 days. dumb.

GE

 

So you are saying that it is alright to repeatedly pounce/down attack an opponent even if it is a pre-teen child?

 

It's a game for God's sake. Whup the child's ass Dave Chappelle style until he cries or flatlines.

 

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duh. I only just said it has no bearing on the game. re-frame my statement anyway you want my answer remains the same.

People who cannot separate themselves (emotionally or otherwise) from the non-existent, digital characters they control have bigger problems then whether or not a bunch of pixels are touching each other.

(to add to the topic at hand I agree that Shun should have more stances and I think that programmed combos such as PPPK strings should not automatically track dodging opponents. It would create more care in the attacking opponent)

GE

 

Announcing mate in however many moves isn't psychological warfare at all. The war is over & homes can either play out those 4 moves or turn his king over.

Stomping after fights? Perhaps it's unsportsmanlike to taunt by moving your character at all. Maybe there should be a sorry button you press so that Jacky can apologize or help you up, dust off your butt and bring you to the water fountain. C'MON!

 

Maybe there should be a sorry button you press so that Jacky can apologize or help you up, dust off your butt and bring you to the water fountain. C'MON!

* Visualizes this... * LOL

 

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to add to the topic at hand I agree that Shun should have more stances and I think that programmed combos such as PPPK strings should not automatically track dodging opponents. It would create more care in the attacking opponent

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I second that, I truly hate evading the first p in a string of ppp series only to eat the last k or something like that. I think it should be if you hold down on than the moves should track, but if you are standing nuetral than the attacks of ppp series will remain linear rather than tracking, this would be good for characer like Akira who have the (evade) ++ and so on.

 

Good, and if that pisses the person off even more BETTER BUAHAHAHAHH. If your so weak minded that doing something like a 2x pounce, throw after game, or whatever pisses you off...tough shit is what I say. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. If your not doing EVERYTHING you can short of physical violence to upset the other person, your not playing your best. You think Ali was great just on physical skill? No, he knew how to fuck with your head. He would have you frustrated with him before you even got into the ring.

 

Hrmm..I am half way on this..I think if you put in a slight delay, it should always track..and some things, like fast punchs, such as sarah or pai, should track. You watch a boxer...they are always moving yet they are able to "track" with their faster punches....

 

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Good, and if that pisses the person off even more BETTER BUAHAHAHAHH. If your so weak minded that doing something like a 2x pounce, throw after game, or whatever pisses you off...tough shit is what I say. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. If your not doing EVERYTHING you can short of physical violence to upset the other person, your not playing your best. You think Ali was great just on physical skill? No, he knew how to fuck with your head. He would have you frustrated with him before you even got into the ring.

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Sorry that I don't like to fuck with 12 year old kids' heads. I still think that performing down attacks against opponents who are really young, or unexperiened is lame and unsportsmanlike. The kind of attitude that this conduct is right, is what makes other fighting game fans shun the VF series and its fans. Can you honestly tell me that you would repeatedly pounce a ten year old player who asked you to help him with VF? Or if someone was handicapped and you beat them, you would say "oh tough shit," and pounce them. Pouncing an opponent who's down is anyhting but "tough (shit)."

 

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think if you put in a slight delay, it should always track..and some things, like fast punchs, such as sarah or pai, should track. You watch a boxer...they are always moving yet they are able to "track" with their faster punches....

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This is what I meant about not automatically tracking. I think there should be a decision...either delaying or some other option to re-align.

GE

 

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This is what I meant about not automatically tracking. I think there should be a decision...either delaying or some other option to re-align

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I would choose delaying, an option to re-align would eliminate some of the advantages of evading, and would be unfair towards characters who have less ppp combos as opposed to characters that have more.

Whenever Sega makes changes like that to gameplay, is usually has to be pretty fair all around.

 

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The kind of attitude that this conduct is right, is what makes other fighting game fans shun the VF series and its fans. Can you honestly tell me that you would repeatedly pounce a ten year old player who asked you to help him with VF? Or if someone was handicapped and you beat them, you would say "oh tough shit," and pounce them. Pouncing an opponent who's down is anyhting but "tough (shit)."


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sigh. Seriously, now. If I am trying to help you get better, the ability to instruct through active playing ends when the round does. My pouncing you does not undermine anything you've learned or that I've taught.

and I think it is completely short sighted to think that doing a down attack to a defeated opponent makes them quit the game or avoid the people playing that game (and if that does then it would be something else, like "he never throws throw counterable moves" or "he never attacks"; in which case, get lost). Once again, nothing has been done to a person and nothing has been done that has consequence in the game itself as it advances to the next round. The games own internal rules determine how I play or don't not some arbitrary designation of "right" or "wrong".

GE