IMO Virtua Fighter is KING

Just something I thought I'd point out.

You often mention high level DOA3 gameplay, what it is, how things work when you're up there. DOA3 is console only. 1 console, and a relatively unpopular one at that. How many people could you possibly be playing against? A few friends? I might be wrong, but it seems highly unlikely that you have access to a decent sized pool of very good players. If I'm right, I don't think you're qualified to say what high level DOA3 is. The North American VF4 situation is similar in a way, but not quite. You can find regular VF competition at the arcades, and we have access to videos of japanese VF players where the competition is very good (because of the large amount of people in a small area, etc). I looked around a bit for DOA3 match videos, found none (aside from umm... ign and stuff). Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. So... maybe you're more qualified than creed to talk about DOA3 stuff, but I don't think anybody really is, not even the DOA3 devs.

 

What happened with you two? At first you two, IMHO, were discussing the two games intelligently, but then reading the last few posts, it seemed as if you two just went into an all out brawl.

I believe you two, if possible, need to meet each other and have a personal exchange. Creed, you should play Hyate at DOA3 and Hyate, you should play Creed at VF4. Maybe you can point out the things you were discussing to each other in person and maybe resolve something.

Just on a personal note, I could care less about this detail and that detail about the games. When it's all said and done, it's gameplay that matters. Not which one is better than the other because that is only based on personal opinion. Creed, you are hardcore VF4, and Hyate, you are hardcore DOA3. You both have your preferences. However, I tend to lean towards a few things that Hyate said.
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I am here stating that if you are looking for the samethings that are in vf4 to be in doa3, than you will be very dissappointed.

remember, diferent games different rules. remember, when playing doa3, you are not following the laws of vf4,different things apply.

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I couldn't agree more. DOA3 is NOT VF4 and VF4 is NOT DOA3!!! By the way, Hyate, I appreciate how in your speech, you did not try to diss Virtua Fighter 4 but just stayed with the points you were trying to make.

Vegbomb also made a statement too.
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It all depends on what you want in a fighting game.

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Each game has something different to offer. Appreciate them for what they have to offer and stop arguing over which one is the better game. Like I said, that is merely based on your opinion and your personal preference. Personally, I'm a Tekken fan (say what you will about Tekken, I could care less), but you don't see me dogging VF or DOA. You know why? I love them all for what they have to offer. I'm not expecting these games to all be alike because they are NOT alike.

I have spoken!!!

 

Thanks for your two cents.
It's a bummer that the argument deteriorated, but I have a problem with the implication that I pick and choose what I play according to what's popular in japan. Like anyone wakes up one day, looks up sales figures for japanese arcades, and says "hey! this games' doing really well in japan! I think I will take it up!" I play VF because buddies of mine got me into it. I tried DOA for the exact same reason, found it not to my liking, and then purchased DOA3 and also found it not to my liking.

I'll cheerfully meet and play anyone face to face, but if I were to play DOA3 with hayate and decided I didn't like it, what's that prove? Nothing - DOA fans will see it as "CreeD's a jackass who's determined to hate DOA no matter what" and VF fans will see it as "CreeD is just confirming what we already knew". Bleah, anyway, I didn't want to get sucked back into this thread, but I should felt I should explain where the sudden bitchy tone came from. Back to the VF posts.

 

"Eh, that's my secondary seller behind balance and maybe fair arenas."-CreeD-

the throw escape system was the only good thing that you did mention. your views on balance is contorted. your fair arenas statements were pure b.s, and did not take into consideration to how it is used in those respected games.

"That's more randomness and BS you have to deal with, not mindgames. You're not gonna convince me someone keeps track of each tree in the forest and bases tech roll and attack decisions on it, and even if they do, that sounds spectacularly unfun... worrying about what the environement can do to your opponent, rather than worrying about what YOU can do to your opponent directly."-CreeD-

doa3 has the combination of both. and for the record, those who do play doa3, do keep track of the environmental factors around them and base their attacks on them. this is (like I said hundreds of times) the main thing that seperates doa3 from vf4. there is nothing random about it, you have to know the environment very well to take advantage of it, while interacting with your opponent.

if you think this is not cool or what ever, than thats ok. but remember this, many feel the same about vf4 and its low on action fighting, but their oppinion does not detract from the depth that it has already attained.

"Whatever, DOA was born a second-rate clone and will die a second-rate clone. I'm comfortable with knowing I'm not missing out on anything."-CreeD

so your true colors show..lol..I can care less about how you feel about the game. you were biased from the start. all you did was prove your ignorance towards the game.


"Eh, maybe I'm reading the faq wrong, it seems to imply holds are 40 pts, 50 pts for tighter timing, and 60 pts for tightest. I'm using 50 pts as an example because that's the timing VF4 demands. Maybe it's not a 200 pt scale."-CreeD-

its not.. its a 300+ pt scale.this just show you again how doa3 is not based on the same rules as vf4.

"uhm, yeah dude, that was it, they didn't like the "environmental depth"... those japanese, they just detest depth in a game. Or maybe! Maybe they wanted depth in form of the strike, guarding, movement, reversal, and throw systems... rather than depth in the 'dodge around 100 times a match so I can avoid that tree' system. "-creed-

depth is depth, if you cant except it than thats a loss for you. the japanese like you just stated, detested depth.
thats why they did not play on the undulated terrain in vf3..

"If positioning yourself to make use of the environment is depth, I might as well drop VF and play more eternal champions or MK or something... or hey, why not get right to the point and pick up sonic the hedgehog?"-CreeD-

lol, I guess inovation is not your style and playing the same boring routeen is. thats why they had to make vf4 more like part 2 because you and the japanese (most)could not grasp the concept of a fighter having environmental influences.

"which must be such a rich and rewarding experience for both players."-creed-

thats is so facinating. you make misinformed guesses of how doa3 is played, when you barely played it on a casual level. you read faqs and it still did not help you get a better understanding....

"Wonder how it sold compared to mortal kombat for the snes, or killer instinct? (over here)"-CreeD-

I wonder how vf 1-3 sold in america before vf4 came out...ummm not even as close to what doa3 has sold.
I dont see any point with your off topic ramblings...

"Kinda like how some movies go straight to video, eh?"-CreeD-

NEXT...

"I bought my PS2 for VF even after having purchased an n64, dreamcast, etc. How blind do you need to be to think that DOA is really just a sleeper hit that got economically outmuscled in japan, when in reality it's just an inferior product to VF4?"-CreeD-

Are you in japan? do you have cultural indifferences with america and their products?so since you dont, I dont see how your purchase of multi-consoles mean anything to what I have stated.

"Ok, now you're making me laugh. When movies come out of someone doing something godly in a video game, arcade or console, do they come from america? Or europe? Or even the rest of asia? By and large no, they come from japan. Watch TZW do combos in super turbo. Watch the now infamous Tetris championships from http://homepage2.nifty.com/arika_download/ or the radiant silvergun guy from http://eternal.ac/profile/radiantsilvergun/ or the beatmania nuts on www.m-g-z.com or hell, the super monkey ball videos on http://isweb36.infoseek.co.jp/play/cocaty/... tell me the japanese can't handle games because they're too hard. Are you KIDDING me?! DOA being too hard to handle? VF3 undulation being too hard to handle?"-CreeD-

where did I say anything about america, or any other electronic maker outside of japan. I suggest you stop putting words in my mouth. those games that you mentioned that are hard, they are given a are harder difficulty level in america compared to that of the japanese versions.the only game that I see on that list that is significantly "hard", is radiantsilvergun.

 

"Like summers said, you went from making nice points and posting decently to becoming an ass.... followers is not a term I apply to someone merely for thinking one game is hands down better than another. Even if that game also happens to be more popular."-CreeD-

no a follower is some one who says "Still, if DOA were truly 'as deep as VF, but in a different way' or fairly close to that, I'd think it'd be more popular (at least, more popular in japan.". meaning if the game was deep than the japanese will be playing it right now.
your using that as a simple way of saying doa3 sucks with out actually saying it. and you hid behind how the japanese reacted (the ones who dislike it) instead of being a man and just saying it.

"You aren't the first guy to think he's something special for rooting for the underdog. If liking DOA makes someone a leader, you might as well start smearing used cat litter on your cheeks when you shave - then you can proudly shout "HA! I'm not a slave to the generic shaving cream goliath like you other sheep!"-creed-

you need to read every single post I wrote, have I ever said doa3 was better. did I say being a follower of vf4 makes you a sheep. I must be the biggest sheep because I love vf series so much, I even bought the vf kids, the japanese rmx version.and megamix so I could use the new vf3 moves. so this was never about being sheep or trying to be some guy rooting for the underdog. this was me comming respectfully to this board and dismmissing any misinformed comments about doa3.

"Anyway, I hope you're bored enough to quit this thread, cuz I sure am. My feeling is that you probably should have expected a reaction just like mine when you post on VFDC with something like "I think doa outshines VF's gameplay in some areas" ... no need to get frustrated and start calling people sheep."-Creed-

you are too funny, doa3 does outshine vf4 in some areas and im not ashamed to admit to it. I also said vf4 is the king of hand to hand fighting. so there is no hate or me being some misinformed doa3 idiot. your the only one who still have misinformed ideas about doa3, and you still have not proved anything is wrong with doa3, besides its not played in the same fashion as vf4. the only person I called a sheep on this board was you and no one else. by your misinforemed stereotypical comments, you still have not proved me
wrong. your reaction was typical fanboy hateration, that still did not give any valuable proof of any understanding of doa3's gameplay. if you can say
"positioning yourself to make use of the environment is depth, I might as well drop VF and play more eternal champions or MK or something... or hey, why not get right to the point and pick up sonic the hedgehog?", that is the most biased fanboyism I read to date. and you have a nerve to say im acting like an ass...LMAO..

if other people on this board see that you dont know enough about doa3 to make any logical assumptions, and they tell you about it, than I suggest you leave the whole argument alone intill someone(or you) who actually played doa3 indepth come and actually make a decent argument.

 

"Just something I thought I'd point out.

You often mention high level DOA3 gameplay, what it is, how things work when you're up there. DOA3 is console only. 1 console, and a relatively unpopular one at that. How many people could you possibly be playing against? A few friends? I might be wrong, but it seems highly unlikely that you have access to a decent sized pool of very good players. If I'm right, I don't think you're qualified to say what high level DOA3 is. The North American VF4 situation is similar in a way, but not quite. You can find regular VF competition at the arcades, and we have access to videos of japanese VF players where the competition is very good (because of the large amount of people in a small area, etc). I looked around a bit for DOA3 match videos, found none (aside from umm... ign and stuff). Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. So... maybe you're more qualified than creed to talk about DOA3 stuff, but I don't think anybody really is, not even the DOA3 devs."-Ellinas-

doa3 happened to sell millions on a un popular console( atleast in japan).and there are dedicated players like myself who do play doa3.
also, Im one of the people who is getting doa3 players more organized. I play alot of doa3 players, and I talk to alot as well. we go over all the viable options doa3 has, strategies,..etc.. the problem we are having is more tournament play, to actually show off what a true doa3 match can be. I understand why most people dont see alot of high level play, and im trying to change that. like I said earlier, Im in the process of creating an environmental faq, and a couple of videos that show off high level play. there are others in my group who hang out on the gamefaqs board, they actually know more about doa3 than I do,some actually made faqs . but i do know high level doa3 play when i see it. I am very much qualified to talk about doa3's high level play, and my group can definitely tell you and show you what high level play is.

 

dude your cracking me up.

DOA has no way near the technicality that virtua fighter does. I love DOA, it was the first game i bought for my PS2, but its no where as techinical. The reason why i like DOA is that its an easy game for seasoned fighters to pick up at anytime and play. But give it a month and you got it mastered. Sure me and my dormmates played it for a year straight, people learn the game quick, thats why it was a big hit at my dorms. But thats proof that anyone can pick up the game and starting playing it at a relatively high level play.

Im also a pretty good tekken player also, I can chicken, windgod fist and wave dash. But I personally like DOA better because it present a better High Mid Low game. Most people like tekken because its a lot more technical than DOA, but my personal opinion is that DOA has a better high mid low game, and that makes a good 3d fighter. Tekken 4 sucks, but thats a whole different matter in itself.

Now when I picked up Virtua Fighter 4, i was amazed at it. I havent touched a VF since VF2. The moves lists doubled or tripled. There were more techinical escapes than tekken. A lot more moves depended on the frame count. Each character was UNIQUE. Unlike DOA or Tekken where you can learn one character and carry to others, every character in DOA was a relearning process that took about 3-4 months. A true testament to the individual character learning process.

So heres the catch, after about 4 months of play into Virtua Fighter, once i earned Dragon Lord rank, i started playing my friends tekken and DOA again. Those games got easier for me, i started seeing moves more in advance due to my frame training. Countering peoples high mid low game was much easier. And considering how much damage counters do in DOA, the game became a bit more simplified for me. In tekken I learned to chicken, pre - VF4 i couldnt.

DOA and Tekken Tag are great games in their own right, but neither is techinical as VF4. Tekken is a great game to do juggle combos, and still keep that techinical aspect of the game without making it a street fighter game. DOA is a great game for quickly learning the thinking mans games of the High Mid Low aspect. Virtua Fighter encompasses all of these at a higher degree of skill. Im a person who prefers to play a technical game which includes the juggle combo aspect of tekken, and the mind games of DOA.

Im sure your an intellegent person, and clearly you cant call VF4 the less techinical game. Clearly in my opinion, you play a fighting game for quick action to beat up on your buddies. Im sure that you dont want to invest the time about 3-4 months just to learn one character, but rather to learn more characters quickly so you get a quicker variety of matchups. VF4 is a huge time investment, and i know it can be frustrating to adapt to its timing coming from other games. And having 3 buttons might feel limiting to you. But with button combinations, VF has more moves than any other fighter and most importantly it has more useful moves than any other fighter.

Most people on this Board are on the other extreme, Capcom Vs's series and any other button masher friendly games like soul caliber isnt worth their time, but hey everyone has their own opinion.

What i want to know is why do you come into hostile terroritory, and bash on a game thats is the name of this website. I really dont see any point. There virtually 0% chance you'll convert anyone. And your wasting your time and our time. If anything it would be great if you respect the wishes of these people on the board, give virtua fighter a serious chance. Spend about a good month into it, you'll be amazed at the variety of situation that arises more than the high mid low game. Honestly I hated VF1 and VF3, and i didnt think VF4 was going to be any good with what they done with VF3. VF4 is quite the surprise, give it a serious change if your a true vgfighter.

One Last Note

SNK WILL NEVER DIE!!

 

"doa3 happened to sell millions on a un popular console( atleast in japan).and there are dedicated players like myself who do play doa3.
also, Im one of the people who is getting doa3 players more organized. I play alot of doa3 players, and I talk to alot as well. we go over all the viable options doa3 has, strategies,..etc.. the problem we are having is more tournament play, to actually show off what a true doa3 match can be. I understand why most people dont see alot of high level play, and im trying to change that. like I said earlier, Im in the process of creating an environmental faq, and a couple of videos that show off high level play. there are others in my group who hang out on the gamefaqs board, they actually know more about doa3 than I do,some actually made faqs . but i do know high level doa3 play when i see it. I am very much qualified to talk about doa3's high level play, and my group can definitely tell you and show you what high level play is."

Without the knowledge gained from watching Japanese VF videos and Japanese VF books, the majority of the rest of the world would be playing VF very differently. Unless you have a very large community as in the case of street fighter in NA, you're not getting anywhere near high level play. You'll also notice that despite the size of the NA SF community, Japan pretty much dominates NA in all SF games aside from MVC2, which isnt very popular in Japan. If you can claim to play high level DOA3 within your small group of friends, then it has pretty unimpressive depth. It seems rather arrogant to believe that you can achieve high level playing within such a small pool of players. I'm sure DOA3 has a lot more depth than that.

Among those million sales, how many do you think are serious fighting game players? The T&A factor throws things off a lot. There's also the fact that Xbox's initial software lineup was less than impressive. If I personally had bought an Xbox and wanted to buy 2 games, it would have been Halo first, and DOA3 second, and I didn't even like DOA2 (and that was before i played VF too). Also, look at the average consumer who does almost zero research, maybe asks a friend at most, and those million copies become very easy to understand. DOA3 is first and foremost a game of -flash-. It's a game designed fully to sell copies and do whatever it has to in order to achieve that goal. The truly excessive T&A makes that incredibly obvious, as well as the much larger than average number of females in the game (well they sorta work together don't they, hehe).

What I attempted to say in the above paragraph is that an extremely large portion of people who bought the game know less about the game than I do, and I've never played DOA3 (only DOA2). That group of people bought it for the T&A or the extremely flashy moves and environmental damage (i must admit i was impressed with the style and flash of DOA2 for the first day or so). 1 million sales turnbased strategy game on a console is not the same as 1 million sales for an extremely flashy fighting game with excellent graphics full of T&A.

 

Quote: the only game that I see on that list that is significantly "hard", is radiantsilvergun.


Dude have you SEEN those movies?
Take a look at the Tetris one or some of the advanced Monkeyball ones and then come back with a straight face and try to clim those people are nothing special.

 

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depth is depth, if you cant except it than thats a loss for you. the japanese like you just stated, detested depth.
thats why they did not play on the undulated terrain in vf3..


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Japanese people detest depth? /versus/images/icons/shocked.gif
That's the first time I hear something of the sort...

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lol, I guess inovation is not your style and playing the same boring routeen is. thats why they had to make vf4 more like part 2 because you and the japanese (most)could not grasp the concept of a fighter having environmental influences.


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Seems you didn't even touch VF4, it is very different from VF2.

And the environmental effects aren't that great unless you count the infinites that can be done in the snow stage...
As for most japanese unable to deal with this, go play in Japan and then come back and comment on their playing skills and what they can or can't grasp ...

Anyway I believe you said that because you were pissed of, and are tired of hearing 'the japanese did this' and 'the japanese did that', etc...
But believe me you must go there to understand the differences between their gaming culture and the gaming culture in the west.

Go read Zero-Chan's post on her encounter with Chibita. It should help you understand better

 

"What i want to know is why do you come into hostile terroritory, and bash on a game thats is the name of this website. I really dont see any point. There virtually 0% chance you'll convert anyone. And your wasting your time and our time. If anything it would be great if you respect the wishes of these people on the board, give virtua fighter a serious chance. Spend about a good month into it, you'll be amazed at the variety of situation that arises more than the high mid low game. Honestly I hated VF1 and VF3, and i didnt think VF4 was going to be any good with what they done with VF3. VF4 is quite the surprise, give it a serious change if your a true vgfighter."-PhoenixDth-

please show me where I bashed vf4. I only gave praise to this game, and nothing but respect. I kept saying vf4 was the king in hand to hand fighting, but doa3 is the king of environmental fighting. me saying that takes nothing away from the crown that vf4 has earned.

I know doa3 does not have the same degree of technicality as vf4, but having more technicalities does not make a better game, deeper yes, better no(based on oppinion. If you read my posts from when I started intill now, you will see I stay consistent with what I say.why do you think just because I like doa3 better, must mean that I hate vf4. Im an open minded person, I enjoy any game that satifies my taste, and vf4, doa3, sc2 are some of the games that fit my liking.

 

"Without the knowledge gained from watching Japanese VF videos and Japanese VF books, the majority of the rest of the world would be playing VF very differently. Unless you have a very large community as in the case of street fighter in NA, you're not getting anywhere near high level play. You'll also notice that despite the size of the NA SF community, Japan pretty much dominates NA in all SF games aside from MVC2, which isnt very popular in Japan. If you can claim to play high level DOA3 within your small group of friends, then it has pretty unimpressive depth. It seems rather arrogant to believe that you can achieve high level playing within such a small pool of players. I'm sure DOA3 has a lot more depth than that."-Ellinas-

there are places where strategies are talked about, move properties and different techniques. there are sits such as http://doa3.fateback.com, and at dfwgamesdoa3.com. these sites also show videos as well. if you read what I previuosly stated, Im in the process of creating a faq and some movies to contribute to the doa community. doa3 has more depth than I can actually tell you at this time, there are players who know doa3 at a higher degree, and they are the ones who I converse with. Im not alone saying all this stuff with out actually experiencing this stuff, contributing, and actually conversing with fellow doa3 players.

"Among those million sales, how many do you think are serious fighting game players? The T&A factor throws things off a lot. There's also the fact that Xbox's initial software lineup was less than impressive."-Ellinas-

I wouldn't actually know how many out of a million are serious game players. thats like asking you how many vf4 players are serious gamers. because we all know vf4 sales were better than the other three(in the series) due to it being released on ps2. actually, the xbox has been known to have a better launch line up than the ps2 and gamecube.

"If I personally had bought an Xbox and wanted to buy 2 games, it would have been Halo first, and DOA3 second, and I didn't even like DOA2 (and that was before i played VF too). Also, look at the average consumer who does almost zero research, maybe asks a friend at most, and those million copies become very easy to understand. DOA3 is first and foremost a game of -flash-. It's a game designed fully to sell copies and do whatever it has to in order to achieve that goal. The truly excessive T&A makes that incredibly obvious, as well as the much larger than average number of females in the game (well they sorta work together don't they, hehe)."-Ellinas-

I bought a xbox 1 day after it was released. I bought doa3 a week before the system was released. there are people like myself who actually bought an xbox for doa3. Im also a veteran doa player. I was following its release ever since the first one was released in 1995.
I did not like it at first because it seemed shallow with its bouncing tities. but after playing it for a year, I began to truely enjoy it. I did not like it as much as vf2, but it was pretty good. doa2 came out and I hated it. I wondered what was so good abount the big interactive environments. after a couple of months, a few of my friends bought the game and they wanted to challenge me. we were playing like novices, untill we began to use the environments. this is where alot of the strategy comes into play. if you are playing the game like a vf game, than you will never appreciate its environmental interactivity. I dont see a problem with having more females to play with.

the flash that you talk about is very much apart of its gameplay. knocking people out of windows, explosive walls...etc.. most people see them as pretty unimportant aspects, and when you do that, it lowers your experience with the game, which hinder your ability to play the game at an efficient manner. thats why you hear so many complaints about the environment and reversals. it also give you more of a variety than just selecting a cast of male characters with 2-3 secondary female personas.

"What I attempted to say in the above paragraph is that an extremely large portion of people who bought the game know less about the game than I do, and I've never played DOA3 (only DOA2). That group of people bought it for the T&A or the extremely flashy moves and environmental damage (i must admit i was impressed with the style and flash of DOA2 for the first day or so). 1 million sales turnbased strategy game on a console is not the same as 1 million sales for an extremely flashy fighting game with excellent graphics full of T&A."- Ellinas-

you dont know nor do I know the amount of people who bought doa3 for tits & ass, especially since the tits dont bounce like they used to. there are those who liked doa2, and decided to purchace doa3. than there are the hardcore like myself. the game has extremely flashy graphics, tits & ass, acompanied with a very good gameplay engine. these are definitely the reasons why it sold.

 

"Japanese people detest depth?
That's the first time I hear something of the sort..."- grynn-

if environmental interaction brings depth, and you do not use it, but play on a flat square ring, than you are detesting it. for what ever reasons they chose to, it still holds true.

"Seems you didn't even touch VF4, it is very different from VF2.

And the environmental effects aren't that great unless you count the infinites that can be done in the snow stage..."-grynn-

I was talking about vf4 going back to its roots, using the flat rings, with no undulated terrain.
I liked how the undulated terrain allowed you to evade(position) and find different advantages using the height variences.

"As for most japanese unable to deal with this, go play in Japan and then come back and comment on their playing skills and what they can or can't grasp ... "-grynn-

if most of the tournament matches are played on the flat arenas, than they are not dealing with it, but avoiding it.

"Anyway I believe you said that because you were pissed of, and are tired of hearing 'the japanese did this' and 'the japanese did that', etc...
But believe me you must go there to understand the differences between their gaming culture and the gaming culture in the west."-grynn-

I respect what they do and how they do it. but I dont like for someone to use them as a tool to describe WHY a game maybe good or not. I apologize if I offended anyone or I said anything that was not correct. but I do detest those who try to shield themselfs behind other peoples oppinions and experiences.

"Go read Zero-Chan's post on her encounter with Chibita"-grynn-

which message boared is it on, I will print it out (if ok) and read it.

 

"if most of the tournament matches are played on the flat arenas, than they are not dealing with it, but avoiding it."

Did you watch the vf3 maximum battle tournament video? I guess not.

 

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if environmental interaction brings depth, and you do not use it, but play on a flat square ring, than you are detesting it. for what ever reasons they chose to, it still holds true.


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As far as I know the only background gamers tended to avoid was Pai's stage which was extreme. They played in all the other backgrounds.

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I respect what they do and how they do it. but I dont like for someone to use them as a tool to describe WHY a game maybe good or not. I apologize if I offended anyone or I said anything that was not correct. but I do detest those who try to shield themselfs behind other peoples oppinions and experiences.


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Well I don't use them as a tool, and I believe most people in this board don't either. But I got to discover interesting games thanks to them.

You can find Zero_chan's post in Junky's Jungle.

 

bah whatever i dont have enough time to read all that rambling. All i have to say is, if you think DOA 3 is a superior product, then so be it. No chance you'll convert anyone here. Either way your using up my vf4 time. And if you stop bringing essays to the argument, maybe you might have some time to try both games as well.

after all

 

"Well I don't use them as a tool, and I believe most people in this board don't either. But I got to discover interesting games thanks to them.

You can find Zero_chan's post in Junky's Jungle."-grynn-

most people dont use them as tools, but there are exceptions...anyways, thank you for the info, I will be reading it as soon as possible.

 

"All i have to say is, if you think DOA 3 is a superior product, then so be it. No chance you'll convert anyone here. Either way your using up my vf4 time. And if you stop bringing essays to the argument, maybe you might have some time to try both games as well'-PhoenixDth-

1)I never said doa3 was a superior game. I said I like it better than vf4, BUT vf4 is a great game and it deserves all the praise that it gets.

2) I write essay like responses because its only one of me and a whole site full of vf fans, and Ihave to answer all of there questiones. I did not waste your time, 'cause you did not have to read it. this was for those who was interested. me being here was never about converting. Im no doa3 missionary coming to all the non doa boards preaching doa3 is the best fighting game around. I dont believe doa3 is the best, I refuse to tell people doa3 is the best fighter. but I will tell you when you are misinformed, and that doa3 happens to be a good game in its own right.