israeli-lebenon. what a mess..........

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tonyfamilia said:

I understand that there are peaceful Muslims and I understand that condenming a whole entire religion/ethnicity/way of life/etc. is wrong. The problem that most of the world has with Muslims is that even though not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim. There are very few terrorists who are not Muslim.

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Not to gang up on you, but thats a pretty wild statement that i pray isn't what you believe. If so, firstly lets define terrorist (these are all taken from google define):

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One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant.

...references to people and nongovernmental organizations planning and executing acts of violence against civilian or noncombatant targets.

A radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

...One definition means a violent action targetting civilians exclusively. Another definition is the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ...

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Ok, now the planet (being as big a place as it is) is chock full of people who fit these definitions. Gang members, undercover government agents of many many countries who carry out terrorist acts in other countries, the US (in soooo many different ways), Geurilla groups in south america, and africa, jsut forget it. Terrorism is by no means limited to just muslim people nor by any means are muslim's the majority of terrorist on the planet. You'd have to be really ignorant to think that.

I am not by any means knowledgeable in all the events that transpire all around the world, but when Americans (or anyone in the world for that matter) are caught up in a single conflict like this BS it just makes me laugh. Can't somebody talk about something else or actually give a shit. And by actually give a shit, i mean really give a shit about the human life thats being obliterated in these conflicts over land or ideals. Fucking asshole extremist on all sides of these ridiculous situations (especially the US) make this world a terrible place to live in.

Sheep

 

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tonyfamilia said:

"I understand that there are peaceful Muslims and I understand that condenming a whole entire religion/ethnicity/way of life/etc. is wrong. The problem that most of the world has with Muslims is that even though not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim. There are very few terrorists who are not Muslim."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people

OK, there are 9.8 million Muslim Chinese in the world & growing how much % of them are terrorists?

Your lack of exposure to the world is obvious & maybe you should get out of miami for like a day.

We are probably the worst group of people to discuss serious typics since we are pretty educated & inform. And if anyone tries to act like they know what they are yapping about Yikes game over. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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Hi guys, just a general statement for people who quote or reference from Wiki:

Be careful when posting links to wikis. Although most of the time sources can be accurate be aware that it is 100% user contributed. Bias, Misinformation, Unaccredited sources, etc exist. Just wanted everyone to be aware of that.

 

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Look, fellas, I thought it was obvious that I was not talking about what WIKI or Webster define as terrorism. Is this not the Israel-Lebanon thread? Why are Chinese Muslims being brought up? Here, let me be more specific for you guys and anybody else who might get offended if they think I'm coming at an entire religion:
(clears throat) The ANTI-COALITION FORCES are all Muslim. Yes, the US has conducted acts of terrorism, and so have many other non-Muslim countries but let's stay on the subject: All of the terrorists in these areas.
Kungfusmurf said "Your lack of exposure to the world is obvious & maybe you should get out of miami for like a day"-"We are probably the worst group of people to discuss serious typics since we are pretty educated & inform."
Maybe you should go out to Iraq for 13 months and see first hand what's really going on. I know Wikipedia and Google are like Gods to you and you might be educated in this and that area and I truly commend you for having some sort of education, honestly, I respect your opinions but... come-on dude, where have YOU been? I'm humble when it comes to places I've been/things I've seen/heard and done but when somebody says "maybe get out of Miami for a day" then it gets personal and I gotta ask: who ARE you? Yeah, this is the internet and I could lie and so could you but one of the many reasons that I am able to write about this and be so passionate about my opinion is cuz I've been there and seen it first hand. Wether you believe me or not doesn't matter to me, but how about we just keep posting our opinions on the subject without coming at me on a personal level?

P.S. Dissmaster said "That is absurd on its face considering how ridiculously slanted America's coverage of Israel is. The idea that there is systemic bias against Israel in the media is only true in Bizaro America."

Have you actually been watching CNN? How exactly is CNN 'slanted' in favor of Israel? If anything it's making Israel look worst than the terrorists, oh, excuse me, the Hezbollah operatives.

 

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tonyfamilia said:

Look, fellas, I thought it was obvious that I was not talking about what WIKI or Webster define as terrorism. Is this not the Israel-Lebanon thread? Why are Chinese Muslims being brought up? Here, let me be more specific for you guys and anybody else who might get offended if they think I'm coming at an entire religion:
(clears throat) The ANTI-COALITION FORCES are all Muslim. Yes, the US has conducted acts of terrorism, and so have many other non-Muslim countries but let's stay on the subject: All of the terrorists in these areas.
Kungfusmurf said "Your lack of exposure to the world is obvious & maybe you should get out of miami for like a day"-"We are probably the worst group of people to discuss serious typics since we are pretty educated & inform."
Maybe you should go out to Iraq for 13 months and see first hand what's really going on. I know Wikipedia and Google are like Gods to you and you might be educated in this and that area and I truly commend you for having some sort of education, honestly, I respect your opinions but... come-on dude, where have YOU been? I'm humble when it comes to places I've been/things I've seen/heard and done but when somebody says "maybe get out of Miami for a day" then it gets personal and I gotta ask: who ARE you? Yeah, this is the internet and I could lie and so could you but one of the many reasons that I am able to write about this and be so passionate about my opinion is cuz I've been there and seen it first hand. Wether you believe me or not doesn't matter to me, but how about we just keep posting our opinions on the subject without coming at me on a personal level?

P.S. Dissmaster said "That is absurd on its face considering how ridiculously slanted America's coverage of Israel is. The idea that there is systemic bias against Israel in the media is only true in Bizaro America."

Have you actually been watching CNN? How exactly is CNN 'slanted' in favor of Israel? If anything it's making Israel look worst than the terrorists, oh, excuse me, the Hezbollah operatives.

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The mere fact that you don't think Israel is as much a terrorist as Hamas/Hezbollah even though Israel has killed 10 times more civilians than Hamas/Hezbollah is proof that both you and the media you get you info from are biased.

Granted Muslims are not perfect. They have their authoritarian dicators, and regimes just like any other nation/culture. They have lots of hypocrits, and people who kill the innocent. The perpetrate their share of social crimes. Has anybody seen what is going on in Darfur? Furthermore I personally think Muslim cultures don't recognize enough human rights. Frankly I think the too many Muslim goverments and factions are using religious fervor to add to their own individual power instead of to advance the good of the people.

Still in this conflict that the Israeli's have very little moral influence or right. They are still fighting against Muslims over what is traditionally Muslim land. You act as if Israel is just sitting peacefully by minding its own business. It is not. Israel does just as much to provoke these attacks as the surrounding Arabs do to provoke attacks.

Israel kill the innocent. Hamas/Hezbollah kill the innocent. Yet you call the Arab factions terrorist, and think that Israel is perfectly justified. Moreover you don't even entertain the idea that maybe you are biased.

 

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Darrius_Cole said:

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tonyfamilia said:

Look, fellas, I thought it was obvious that I was not talking about what WIKI or Webster define as terrorism. Is this not the Israel-Lebanon thread? Why are Chinese Muslims being brought up? Here, let me be more specific for you guys and anybody else who might get offended if they think I'm coming at an entire religion:
(clears throat) The ANTI-COALITION FORCES are all Muslim. Yes, the US has conducted acts of terrorism, and so have many other non-Muslim countries but let's stay on the subject: All of the terrorists in these areas.
Kungfusmurf said "Your lack of exposure to the world is obvious & maybe you should get out of miami for like a day"-"We are probably the worst group of people to discuss serious typics since we are pretty educated & inform."
Maybe you should go out to Iraq for 13 months and see first hand what's really going on. I know Wikipedia and Google are like Gods to you and you might be educated in this and that area and I truly commend you for having some sort of education, honestly, I respect your opinions but... come-on dude, where have YOU been? I'm humble when it comes to places I've been/things I've seen/heard and done but when somebody says "maybe get out of Miami for a day" then it gets personal and I gotta ask: who ARE you? Yeah, this is the internet and I could lie and so could you but one of the many reasons that I am able to write about this and be so passionate about my opinion is cuz I've been there and seen it first hand. Wether you believe me or not doesn't matter to me, but how about we just keep posting our opinions on the subject without coming at me on a personal level?

P.S. Dissmaster said "That is absurd on its face considering how ridiculously slanted America's coverage of Israel is. The idea that there is systemic bias against Israel in the media is only true in Bizaro America."

Have you actually been watching CNN? How exactly is CNN 'slanted' in favor of Israel? If anything it's making Israel look worst than the terrorists, oh, excuse me, the Hezbollah operatives.

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The mere fact that you don't think Israel is as much a terrorist as Hamas/Hezbollah even though Israel has killed 10 times more civilians than Hamas/Hezbollah is proof that both you and the media you get you info from are biased.

Granted Muslims are not perfect. They have their authoritarian dicators, and regimes just like any other nation/culture. They have lots of hypocrits, and people who kill the innocent. The perpetrate their share of social crimes. Has anybody seen what is going on in Darfur? Furthermore I personally think Muslim cultures don't recognize enough human rights. Frankly I think the too many Muslim goverments and factions are using religious fervor to add to their own individual power instead of to advance the good of the people.

Still in this conflict that the Israeli's have very little moral influence or right. They are still fighting against Muslims over what is traditionally Muslim land. You act as if Israel is just sitting peacefully by minding its own business. It is not. Israel does just as much to provoke these attacks as the surrounding Arabs do to provoke attacks.

Israel kill the innocent. Hamas/Hezbollah kill the innocent. Yet you call the Arab factions terrorist, and think that Israel is perfectly justified. Moreover you don't even entertain the idea that maybe you are biased.

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Even if you talk about terrorist organisations only in the middle east you are WRONG.
There are Jewish and Christian organisations that by Israel as well as the US have been branded as terrorist organisations.

The maronite christian militias for instance under protection from Israel in the 80s were responsible for the slaughter of around 3000 civilians(most of which in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla in 1982) in Lebanon.
One of the reasons why most Lebanese dont like Israel.

Earlier in this thread I already gave you some names of Jewish teror organisations in the region.
For some reason though you seem to dismiss that outright and cant seem to entertain the thought that its not only muslims in the region that behave that way.

 

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Fishie said:

For some reason though you seem to dismiss that outright and cant seem to entertain the thought that its not only muslims in the region that behave that way.

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/versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif, come on guy, I have never said that Israel is innocent or that it's OK for them to kill civilians, if you read what I wrote on a few of my posts you would know this. I'll say again "It's about time that Israel fought back and meant it when they said "We will show no mercy"... but, they are definitely going about it the wrong way, killing innocent people is terrorist tactics."

OK, I'll adknowledge the fact that it is not only Muslims that act "behave that way" but maybe you should adknowledge that fact that Muslim extremists and ONLY Muslim extremists are cutting heads off hostages while they're still alive, 'camcording it and posting it on the web. I'm not Jewish, I dont have to stand up for them and I'm not Muslim, I dont have to stand up for them either but IF I have to choose a side (it's something that at some point or another we might all have to do) I'm going to lean more towards Israel, why?, because of what I have seen/heard and know thus far.
Like I said before "Look, I'm not biased on this topic at all, I think both parties are wrong for different reasons (not the innocent, of course). I wont choose a side because I dont know all the facts. If you believe everything you read or hear then you believe that news sources such as Fox news, BBC and even CNN (The most trusted name in news) are not biased and report all the details without holding back information, this is simply not true. They're all biased, that's why I get my news from all of them and then compare so I can separate truth from propaganda on my own. Here you can read Israel's side for yourself and actually get a different perspective instead of a one-sided argument: www.arutzsheva.com
I feel awful for the innocent people being killed in Lebanon and for that I could never fully approve of Israel's actions. But in regards to the UN peacekeeper's they've been there since the 70's and haven't done their job. According to an email sent out by one of the deceased UN peacekeepers, Hezbollah was firing rockets within 10 meters from their facility, why?, so that when Israel counter-fired they would have to say "Oh, wait, we cant fire there. Those are the coordinates for the UN peacekeepers base". But here's the peacekeeper's ALLOWING this to happen... something's going on.
I dont know if they're getting paid off, or what... but something's going on. There's more than one side to every story and I'm not going to jump on any bandwagon without knowing all the facts."

Look, this is what I know, even though Israel HAS killed more civilians than "amateurish" Hezbollah, they are not aiming at these civilians for no reason, but Hezbollah does.
When Israel kills civilians, they APOLOGIZE and let it be known that these innocent people WERE given at least a 24 hour notice, Hezbollah doesnt give any kind of notice and they CELEBRATE when they kill Israeli civilians (before I get flamed for saying "Israel apologizes, I know that an apology cannot make up for the loss of life but, people, please, at least they do that much, instead of dancing and celebrating the death of innocents).
When Israel CAPTURES Hezbollah operatives they remain CAPTIVES until they face a trial that will determine their outcome... when Hezbollah captures an Israeli...why dont you, Fishie tell me what happens to these "captured soldiers/civilians?...................... come on, people! Are you sure I'M the one that's biased???

Here, you want to see me write it out: ISRAEL IS NOT INNOCENT, THEY ARE KILLING MORE INNOCENTS THAN HEZBOLLAH, THEY ARE APPLYING TERRORIST TACTICS.

There, is that better? I mean, I've been saying this but maybe now that I put it in capital letters, you can all read it better.

P.S. Capital letters are not me yelling, I'm just too lazy to put it all in bold. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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Ok lets try this again:

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tonyfamilia said:

I understand that there are peaceful Muslims and I understand that condenming a whole entire religion/ethnicity/way of life/etc. is wrong. The problem that most of the world has with Muslims is that even though not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim. There are very few terrorists who are not Muslim.

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What did i miss in that statement? You said, most terrorist are muslim. Even in reguards to the middle east this isn't correct.

"Oh btw Tony you ahve 24 hours before massive bombing of your town begins. you've been warned. OOPS we seemed to have killed your family. Our bads! Teehee, we just can't seem to get these highly advanced highly percise missles to go where we want them."

You're cool with that? If not I don't see what your arguing about. both of these factions are equally disgusting because the erradicate human liife with very little discrimination, Isreal's just better at it, and that fact makes them just as much of a terrorist as the ones they fight.

I don't understand the argument you are trying to put forth. How about we do a little questionnaire. This my honest way of not being sarcastic and trying to get somones real opinion on things.

1) How would you define terrorist?

2) Are the groups Hezbolla and Hamas terrorist? Why?

3) Is Israel a Terrorist government? Why?

4) In this conflict who, if anyone, would you consider in the right? Why?

5) What role do you believe the US plays in this conflict? Is this a good or bad thing?

6) What is your realistic solution to this problem? What is your non realistic solution?


If everyone can seriously answer these questions than we can see where it is we all disagree, and what debate, if any, there is.

 

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Vith_Dos said:

1) How would you define terrorist?

2) Are the groups Hezbolla and Hamas terrorist? Why?

3) Is Israel a Terrorist government? Why?

4) In this conflict who, if anyone, would you consider in the right? Why?

5) What role do you believe the US plays in this conflict? Is this a good or bad thing?

6) What is your realistic solution to this problem? What is your non realistic solution?


If everyone can seriously answer these questions than we can see where it is we all disagree, and what debate, if any, there is.

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1. Terrorism - The tactic of targeting innocent civilians in a military conflict, Especially the killing of women and children.

Terrorist - Someone who uses the tactic of terrorism.

2. Yes, they use terrorism.

3. Yes, they use terrorism

4. While I don't agree with their tactics, the Palestinians are in the right. They were there first until they were removed by force. All of these struggles are offshoots of that larger struggle.

In the more present struggle the Lebanese are in the right. They are totally innocent. They lack the capacity to control Hezbollah and are being bombed for their lack of strength. I tend to think it may be that they are just in the path to Syria or Iran.

On whether Hezbollah is in the right or wrong, I am uncertain. I don't know who was the first to take the other soldiers captive.

5) The US is making this struggle possible. If it were not for the US this struggle would have already come to its very, very bloody end. I am not sure who would have won but I am sure that there would be much more death than we have now.

6)

Realistic --- It will go sideways as it is now for the forseeable future. Israel won't complete disperse the Palestinians because they don't have the moral right in this struggle. As soon as the Arabs feel they have the power to destroy Israel they will because it is also a religious issue for them (now that I think of it, it is a religious issue for the Jews as well). Therefore Israel will keep finding excuses to destroy the surrounding Arab infrastructure before it gets too strong and the US will keep supplying Israel with the means to do so.

Unrealistic -- Both cultures embrace the Christian ideals of "turn the other cheek", "forgive those that sin against you", and "the good Samaritan" in large scale and learn to live together in peace.

 

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I didn't expect the board members to be going at each other's throat; please calm down and avoid stirring up the pot with further accusations. I know some board members have kin caught up in the fighting, hope the rest of us will be supportive of them.

As I mentioned before, I am unaware of most issues pertaining, I don't know who is right or wrong or whatever, but I will say this.

It's sad

It's sad to see people killing each other over arguing over who has rights to live on the land.

It's sad to see the suffering of so many people who only want to live peacefully, all because of a handful of people so intent on gettting their way they care not for the suffering that results, even on their own countrymen.

It's sad to see so much resources poured into the black hole of warfare where they could have all been diverted into making the place livable for everyone ...

And it's sad to stand on the sidelines, watch all that is happening thanks to the advances of media technology, and can't do a thing about it, all because of that *censored* US Veto in the **censored* UN Security Council! And even without the Veto, I wonder whether the *censored* UN can do anything effective anyway ...

 

Re: Neocons

Dammit woman, reply instead of shouting the same bulshit propaganda over and over again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6fn5NZ6L...st%2Fme5%2Ehtml

 

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My greatest fear about all of this is that it may start a larger war in which the U.S. will become involved, if not play the role of instigator.

Iraq is on the verge of all out civil war. They are basically experiencing civil war of some kind already. Would Bush pull out of Iraq to take the fight into Iran? The administration is absolutely amoral. I would not put anything past them. The neocons have been scheming for war with Iran for years. Could those evil bastards actually get it to happen?

The Israeli-Lebanon War is ludicrous anyway. Two soldiers get kidnapped and this is the response? Sounds like Gulf of Tonkin or USS Maine or 9/11 (kidding, I think).

It really makes me afraid that it is setting in motion a plan to violently reshape the Middle East, and that the 06 midterm elections could even be part of the equation. I have tried to figure out just what these people are up to.

If anyone is feeling the urge to read, try:

Overthrow by Stephen Kinzer

This book lists the major regime change initiatives that the U.S. has undertaken, the motivations and the outcomes. Kinzer bends over backwards to be fair, but the picture that emerges is grim: U.S. foreign policy is guided by elite interests who use whatever justifications will work ona given day (Christianize, Cold War, War on Terror, etc.). It's a history that all flag wavers should be aware of.

and

Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast

He writes for the BBC and does better investigative reporting than anyone. Explains Oil politics, Voting shenanigans, and a whole lot of other shit that we should be up in arm about, both as Americans and human beings.

Oh, and Google "Roosevelt" and "The New Nationalism"

This is a speech TR gave about a hundred years ago and it's hillarious how just about everything that he mentions as dangerous has come to pass. No democrat would even have the balls to make such a speech today.

 

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Fishie said:

Dammit woman, reply instead of shouting the same bulshit propaganda over and over again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6fn5NZ6L...st%2Fme5%2Ehtml

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Some have said that I shout propaganda when I state facts about atrocities committed by Muslim extremists in the name of their religion.
I comprehend that this may not be YOU, but it IS facts nonetheless. Those decapitation videos, one example, are not propaganda, there are Muslims actually doing this. Oh, wait, maybe it was some Jews or Christians all dressed up...

I watched the video you posted, before I go on, I would like to make it clear that I DO NOT DEFEND THE ISRAEL ARMY. I AM AGAINST THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS.
But somebody on this thread had the nerve to say that a 24hour (or more) warning was not enough. Let me ask you, if it's wartime, not peacetime, wartime and the enemy calls you or drops some leaflets warning you that the area you live in is about to get bombed, why would you stay there? I understand the old and the sick or even the crippled but, me personally, I would run, hobble, crawl if I have to just to get the hell up out of that area.
Now, was Israel really, truly counter-attacking for rockets fired from that area? I'm not completely sure but why would anybody stick around for hours after the bomb-warning?... I mean, if you're inside of an airport and there's a threat of a bomb and you hear it over the loudspeakers why would you stick around while many others flee?
Do you truly believe that Hezbollah is not using areas where innocent people live to fire rockets from there? At what point has Hezbollah shown you that they have too much scruples and morals to do that?

Is it beneath Israel to fire upon innocent people for no reason? I dont know yet, but I do know that Hezbollah is capable of that and much more.

 

Kaboom!

Dear Lebanese Citizen,

You need to leave your house. We plan to blow it up. We have already blown up the roads and bridges you might want to use to flee, so get creative.

Shalom,

Prime Minister Olmert

xoxoxo

 

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Dear Lebanese citizen

We plan on using your schools, houses, buisnesses, and other personal locations to fire rockets from, knowingly inviting Israelies to attack those locations. We will be long gone by the the time any IDF forces get there, but your house will probally be blown up where it will go to heaven with 70 virgin townhouses awaiting it. If your lucky, you will get killed as well (I mean, we can't afford to actually try and help you people!) and be greated by 72 virgins.
Have a nice day,
Hezbollah.

 

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War sucks. Can't we all just get along?

 

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DissMaster said:

Dear Lebanese Citizen,

You need to leave your house. We plan to blow it up. We have already blown up the roads and bridges you might want to use to flee, so get creative.

Shalom,

Prime Minister Olmert

xoxoxo

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What dismaster said.

 

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Shadowdean said:

Dear Lebanese citizen

We plan on using your schools, houses, buisnesses, and other personal locations to fire rockets from, knowingly inviting Israelies to attack those locations. We will be long gone by the the time any IDF forces get there, but your house will probally be blown up where it will go to heaven with 70 virgin townhouses awaiting it. If your lucky, you will get killed as well (I mean, we can't afford to actually try and help you people!) and be greated by 72 virgins.
Have a nice day,
Hezbollah.

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You si are a complete fucktard

 

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tonyfamilia said:

Do you truly believe that Hezbollah is not using areas where innocent people live to fire rockets from there? At what point has Hezbollah shown you that they have too much scruples and morals to do that?

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I don't really know. I would guess that sometimes they do and sometimes they don't but that is just a gut feeling based on reports I get from the U.S. media.

However, I don't believe that every time Israel hits a building that they believe the Hezbollah or Hamas is in it.

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tonyfamilia said:

Is it beneath Israel to fire upon innocent people for no reason? I dont know yet, but I do know that Hezbollah is capable of that and much more.

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There are two parts to this comment, 1) firing on innocent people and 2) for what reason.

1) firing on innocent people

You ought to know that from this war alone. Israel began by attacking Lebanese targets even though they claim that their beef is with Hezbollah in the south. If their beef is with Hezbollah in the south, then why are they attacking cities?

2) No reason, or no GOOD reason? They can always tell you some bullshit reason; like this current war is all over two soldiers. But when you look at their behavior it becomes clear that their reason is larger than that. Now that they are in the war it looks more and more like they wanted to disarm Hezbollah all along, and that the two soldiers were simply and excuse.

Does anybody even talk about the two soldier any more? Do they even bother to demand their release any more? The answer is "No". All any one ever does condemn Hezbollah for shooting back at Israel, even though they are both attacking cities. But hey, when Hezbollah attacks cities it's worse than when Israel attacks cities, right.

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The negotiations going on right now are ridiculous. Lebanon wants Israel to withdraw and they will put 15,000 Lebanese soldiers on the border. Israel wants Hezbollah to disarm without, well without any Israeli concessions whatsoever. I don't know which proposal is more laughable. Both are so ridiculous that at one time I think the first is more ludicrous and a few minutes later I think that the latter is more ludicrous.

The Israeli demand is the simplest form of lunacy; no one is going to choose to stop fighting while the enemy is still in thier territory.

The Lebanese lunacy is a bit more complex. The simplest and truest flaw in it is that no one should be negotiating with the Lebanese government; they should be negotiating with Hezbollah.

No on wants to speak directly to Hezbollah but Hezbollah is doing all the fighting. Lebananon isn't doing any fighting now (something which should make a Lebanese citizen simply irrate) therefore they have no power to make peace. Look at the simple chain of events.

1.) Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers allegedly for no reason.

2.) Israel immediately responded by bombing Lebanese airports and other Lebanese infrastructure targets.

3.) Israel attacked sould Lebanon.

4.) Hezbollah returns fire.


An entity that Lebanon can't control kidnaps two Israeli soldiers; Israel responds by launching an all-out war on Lebanon, and a month later the Lebanese haven't launched a single military counter-opertation.

That is either lunancy or impotence. Either way ,there is no reason to believe that they can restrain Hamas in any way and it is questionable whether they can moblized 15,000 soldier in short notice. Let me illustrate by replacing the names of the countries but leaving all other words the same. Read this next sentence out loud.

An entity that China can't control kidnaps two Japanese soldiers; Japan responds by launching an all-out war on China, and a month later the Chinese haven't launched a single military counter-opertation.

Does that sound like something that would happen? How about this?

An entity that The United States can't control kidnaps two Mexican soldiers; Mexico responds by launching an all-out war on The United States, and a month later the Americans haven't launched a single military counter-opertation.

Does that sound like something that could happen?

This war only helps Hezbollah. The more they fight the more Hezbollah will become the government. Israel should negotiate a peace with them as soon as possible.

 

Re: Kaboom!

Fishie, don't you have some under-developed 18 year old to go molest?