israeli-lebenon. what a mess..........

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Or maybe, they can call me a religion that hates Jews because we refused to convert over to their view even after Abraham was incorperated as a prophet.

 

Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land...

In the interest of being a bit more informed (and well-rounded) about some of this mess, i found this documentary really worthwhile.

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Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land provides a striking comparison of U.S. and international media coverage of the crisis in the Middle East, zeroing in on how structural distortions in U.S. coverage have reinforced false perceptions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

This pivotal documentary exposes how the foreign policy interests of American political elites--oil, and a need to have a secure military base in the region, among others--work in combination with Israeli public relations strategies to exercise a powerful influence over how news from the region is reported. Through the voices of scholars, media critics, peace activists, religious figures, and Middle East experts, Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land carefully analyzes and explains how--through the use of language, framing and context--the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza remains hidden in the news media, and Israeli colonization of the occupied terrorities appears to be a defensive move rather than an offensive one.

The documentary also explores the ways that U.S. journalists, for reasons ranging from intimidation to a lack of thorough investigation, have become complicit in carrying out Israel's PR campaign. At its core, the documentary raises questions about the ethics and role of journalism, and the relationship between media and politics.

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Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land Documentary

Many members of this board are aware of all of this, but for those that are not convinced of our COMPLETELY SHITTY media and need a more compelling explanation, this video might help. Discuss!

 

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What "beheading somebody while they're still alive OR taking planes full of innocent people hostage and flying them into giant complexes full of more innocent people" got to do with Hezbollah? /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Don't mix Binladin shit and his group with Hizbollah and the Lebanese.

And "chanting death to whole countries"? Where did you here that? Are you messed up? /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
When people chant death against a country it's usually against this gov. country and the one who support there acts not the civilians. I don't know about the Americans, but the majority of UK is against Israel and with Lebanese. Of course the UK gov. is something else. So why the hell would the Lebanese chant death for the UK civilians?

"I know that Israel is wrong and so are we for supporting them"
That's interesting. Now why the hell would you support a country that you know that they are wrong and which you do not belong too? /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Now tonyfamilia, I get that you are an American civilian. And as an American civilian you pay tax. A lot of the tax money that you pay goes the US army, right?
So the money tax is your contribution to your fellow American soldiers and the safety of the home. Now this is what I don’t understand. Why the hell the American people didn’t protest against there gov. for supplying Israel with armory and bombs to kill innocent people and children?
Wasn't it better an American point of view to send more supplies to the American soldiers that occupying Iraq? But that's a deferent story huh. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Isn’t Israel one of the best economical countries in the world?

And tell me one more thing. If somebody or your neighbor came and stole your house and kicked you out of it claiming that you are threat to him or simply you don’t like him would you just stand still and cry like a baby?

Dude, if you can't fully comprehend my questions than you should try to get some serious help.

And one more thing, "why dont you go blow yourself up or something" LOL /versus/images/graemlins/lol.gif. That's too way of stereo type of thinking. I bet Fishie is laughing at it too.

 

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Shadowdean said:

Or maybe, they can call me a religion that hates Jews because we refused to convert over to their view even after Abraham was incorperated as a prophet.

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No body hates Jews. But every body hates Zionist.
So dude, try to get out from your cave and meet a lot of people. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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Dude, do you agree with beheading somebody while they're still alive? Do you believe in taking planes full of innocent people hostage and flying them into giant complexes full of more innocent people?
I'm tired of people trying to justify these kind of acts. I'm sorry I called Hezbollah animals... even animals wouldnt say and do what they do. I know that Israel is wrong and so are we for supporting them but chanting death to whole countries??? WTF, Fishie, why dont you go blow yourself up or something.

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Where and when did I justify such acts?
The mere fact that I am disgusted by equally revolting acts from the other side makes you lash out at me, it is YOU who is justifying acts of total horror here, not me.

 

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Shadowdean said:

Or maybe, they can call me a religion that hates Jews because we refused to convert over to their view even after Abraham was incorperated as a prophet.

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Or I could be equalle retarded as you and call you out for having a religion that sees all non Jews as sub humand and Jews as superior since they are the CHOSEN people.

See its really easy to be that retarded, it takes some skill to be smarter then that.

 

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I'm still laughing at the outcome of this ceasefire /versus/images/graemlins/lol.gif
Both sides are claming victory /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Then you hear them chanting "death to America" and "death to England" and "death to Zionists".
I've learned a lot from this thread but when I look at Israel and I look at Hezbollah, I've GOT to choose the lesser of two evils and that IS Israel.
No matter how much anybody says otherwise, one side is doing some horrible things and the other side is doing some horrendously horrible things.
Just listen to Hezbollah, they're animals!

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I know I said something that predicted this behavior....where did I put it....Is it over here...No...Did I put it over there.....no its not there.....Oh!!! here it is.

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That's what I said. One side is clearly righteous and the other side is downright evil. If you can't tell which is which, I can help you. It's so easy; the side that looks like you is righteous, the other side is the devil incarnate.

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Fishie you still don't get it. It's not terrorism when that Jewish guy targeted Arab civilians. It's only terrorism when the other side does it. So for example, I could shoot a rocket into a town and that's not terrorism. If you shoot a rocket into a town then that's terrorism.

It's always worse when the other guy does it.

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Israel is the "lessor of two evils" while Hezbollah are "animals." What was the comparative kill count again? What is more horrendous kill one person with a knife or killing ten people with a plane.

I too am laughing at the outcome of the cease-fire. Israel will pull out if Hezbollah disarms. The Lebanese army will take over for Hezbollah. (insert animated laughing icon here) Other countries are going to get into the middle of this mess. (insert animated laughing icon here) At best Hezbollah will blend itself into the Lebanese army, such that the Lebanese army will be composed mostly of what is now Hezbollah. There is no way the fighting force or a country is just going to lay down, especially not one where the primary religion has a term for "Holy War." If Israel honestly expected to get the willful disarmament of Hezbollah in exchange for peace they may as well have kept fighting, because the only thing this cease-fire will accomplish is to kill more civilians who are unable to evacuate quickly enough the second time.

 

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I really think you and Zakara or whoever should mate and have nice little hateful children.
Jews by defintion, if you knew anything of the religion and its history see it as their duty to improve the world not to demonstrate superiority.
Do you have ANY knoweldge about the evolution of either religion? I can answer that for you - no.

 

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Good thing I dont judge people by their extremists unlike you.

 

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I really think you and Zakara or whoever should mate and have nice little hateful children.
Jews by defintion, if you knew anything of the religion and its history see it as their duty to improve the world not to demonstrate superiority.
Do you have ANY knoweldge about the evolution of either religion? I can answer that for you - no.

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Who is that directed towards?

 

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Shadowdean said:

I really think you and Zakara or whoever should mate and have nice little hateful children.
Jews by defintion, if you knew anything of the religion and its history see it as their duty to improve the world not to demonstrate superiority.
Do you have ANY knoweldge about the evolution of either religion? I can answer that for you - no.

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Who is that directed towards?

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That was directed at me and Zakira

 

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All you guys need lives...

P.S. Hey, Fishie! How the hell are you?

 

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SiLLyWiLLy said:

All you guys need lives...

P.S. Hey, Fishie! How the hell are you?

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Could be better

 

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Shadowdean said:

I really think you and Zakara or whoever should mate and have nice little hateful children.
Jews by defintion, if you knew anything of the religion and its history see it as their duty to improve the world not to demonstrate superiority.
Do you have ANY knoweldge about the evolution of either religion? I can answer that for you - no.

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Dude, spare me the superior talk. I'm no10 year old kid that will believes whatever his dady tells him. If your word were true than tell me why there isn't any Jewish missionaries to invite other people of other religions to convert to Judaism and educate them about it ?
And here where you said: "Jews by defintion, if you knew anything of the religion and its history see it as THEIR DUTY to improve the world not to demonstrate superiority." Now tell me why it's the JEWS duty to improve the world NOT the rest of the world "Christians, Muslims, Buddhist etc…"? Why can't Christians, Muslims Buddhist etc…. share this improvement or even improve the world as they see it?
Dude, you just deliberately said that Jews are SUPERIOR to the worlds. And that they are the CHOSEN ONES.
What I don’t understand is that no one here talked about Jews being bad or so. You are the one who opened this issue. And here you are throwing trash like "you don't know about religion and so". Usually when people talk trash they unconsciously speak about them selves. And it simply shows that you're the one who don't know the slightest thing about others religions.
So dude lets not start the religion dispute.

 

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Its "our" responsibility so we can't just pass it up and give up.

 

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Jews by defintion, if you knew anything of the religion and its history see it as their duty to improve the world not to demonstrate superiority.


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They are doing a piss ass job of trying to improve the world & in reality they are actually doing the opposite except for a small % who actually has some insight.

Everyone has a attitude of I am better than you, Jews are no different.

 

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No, we are just better than you SMurfy ;P

 

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No, Shadowdean, your actions repeatedly smacks of immaturity. I would have posted after your previous messages, but I hoped you would show some measure of respect towards others' beliefs; I was wrong.

You remind me of 2 guys I know, 1 a Christian and 1 a Muslim. The Christian kept harping on the superiority of Christianity while the Muslim is arrogant in his regard of Islam; he once claimed to my face that Arabic is the spoken language in heaven. Neither got my attention nor respect as far as religion is concerned. I have much more regard for other Christians, Muslims, or followers of whatever other religion there are who do not make unwanted attempts to stuff their views down my throat; THEY get my attention and respect.

If you have shown restraint and consideration in your messages, I (and I believe many others) would put more weight in what you said.

I have nothing against your background or beliefs, but I am disgusted by your actions. That is why I condemned both the Israeli Armed Forces and Hezbollah, purely for their inhuman disregard for the welfare of non-combatants caught in the crossfire.

 

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http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Gaza_Beach_Libel.asp

http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp

http://tinyurl.com/qwvrp

http://by116w.bay116.mail.live.com/mail/...mp;attdepth=0.0

These links were sent to me by some of my Jewish friends trying to help me further understand the situation. Is it propaganda, ignorant opinions, fact-based statements or the truth? You be the judge... I'm still looking into the other side of this argument because, as I'm learning, there is WAY more than meets the eyes with BOTH sides.

 

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Plague, in regards to your Iramerika reply, I dont agree with Israel and the US "moving into your house and staying there. Eat your food, sell your stuff, and tell your wife how to dress and behave. Try to do her once a week for good measure 'cause they got a big dicks" but how many other races havent received the shaft from the US already, I'll name a few: Native Americans, Hawaiians, Africans, etc.
The fact is that if any of these people whose land has been stolen, they've been persecuted and murdered, their women raped, and in some cases enslaved, if any of these people had reacted with the kind of acts that have been documented as retaliatory from Muslim extremists, then they too would be labeled as animalistic. Yes OUR government is FULL of murderous animals and so is the government of Israel but, to me, the people that those governments work for are the real representatives of those countries NOT their governments. What I'm saying is that there are plenty of Americans trying to help people of Africa, Middle East, etc. but when you see a large group of people gathering and chanting death to America it's difficult to be sympathetic to them.
The Hawaiians havent started strapping bombs to themselves and flying planes full of Americans into buildings, but instead they have been fighting to regain some of their land back and they have won some of those battles, there are islands in Hawaii where only Hawaains of pure race can enter, no outsiders. The native Americas have won some battles as well, yes they have ultimately been screwed but what are they going to do? Go back to scalping white people until they agree to their demands?
I'm not against a religion, just the medevil way of thinking that those who wrong you, if they dont make right they must die.
I know that those in power of all of our lands are medevil in their own way and the "might is right" mentality usually prevails over the weak but that does not mean that we, the people, we as indivudials need to take matters into our own hands and become vigilantes and punishers. It's up to each oppressed, persecuted, wronged individual to be BETTER than those who have wronged you not WORST.
You might think it is worst to kill 10 innocent people with a military rocket and apologize and come up with excuses as to why than it is to cut off 1 innocent person's head off, video-tape it and then dance around the body. But please realize that even some US' worst serial killers pale in comparison to such savagery. Yes, there are worst people out there, but that doesnt make it right and no, I dont justify what Israel has done, they're scum too, killing innocents is not the way to win any war... anybody remember Hiroshima. The US has killed, by far, way more civilians and innocents than a lot of countries put together but it's the WAY they did it. It's not right, but if we had hijacked a Japanese plane full of innocents and flown it into a giant building in the middle of Tokyo, we would have killed less people but it would not have been viewed as a military act but an act of terrorism. Is terrorism in the eye of the beholder? Maybe, but when those extremists calm down and decide to create a system that doesnt take innocent lives in order to help raise awareness to their plight and to right where they have been wronged, then they WILL have the support of many, many more humans all over the world.

P.S. Zakira, in case you didnt know, the "stereo-typical" remark I made to Fishie WAS a joke.

P.P.S. Fishie, "Where and when did I justify such acts?
The mere fact that I am disgusted by equally revolting acts from the other side makes you lash out at me, it is YOU who is justifying acts of total horror here, not me." Thanks for clearing that up, my bad if I came off trying to justify Israel's acts but condemn Muslim extremists, they're both scum to me. And maybe I am a horrible person for leaning more towards one than the other but if you read my post maybe you can understand my P.O.V.