Japan Vs NA?

I'm really sorry for trying to bring the thread back on topic.

I think that in most cases it's really the effort you put in learning the game. Like in TWP's or Matt's example, there was a group of ppl that would go crazy with learning the game and eventually succeed.
That however takes time and dedication. Do that for long enough and you've got yourself some skills you never thought you'd have.
That's just the first step. Learning on your own or with average opponents will get you only as far. You may be good, but you'll always find someone better. So what do you do? You train more with better people.
If a huge (like, really huge) group of ppl started doing that, the overall level of play could increase. The likeliness of something like that happening however is next to none.

It only says the same as everything before. The main drive is your motivation, your effort that you put into getting better in the game. It has to be your goal, your dream, your... everything in gaming. The second thing is the enviroment, which in case of a fighting game are the opponents you face. If you're winning most (>85%) of the matches against someone, chances are, you won't learn much more from that. Only if that is consistent though.

So train, train like a bitch. Came home from work/school? Train. Meet with friends playing the game, win or lose, but play a lot. They/You left and you're not playing that day anymore? Train some more especially the stuff you sucked at.

The next day starts... WHAT? It's a day off (school/work). YEAH! Lots of time to... train in VF.
It's not only about improving your game, but keeping the level. Also, one last thing...
You have to be prepared to play the game on a competitive level. And don't misunderstand me. That doesn't mean getting on XB Live an playing online. That doesn't also mean travelling downtown or on a 2h ride to your friend... that's bullshit.
It means devoting most of your gamer-skill and time to that game alone, thinking about frames, situations in the game, combos, etc. You have to live the game. Otherwise you're just playing against other ppl... nothing seriously competitive about it.
Breathe the game or stop bitching about being worse than someone else.

 

I think the real question is, why would a non-Japanese player want to take the trouble to get good at VF? As a non-Japanese player you are pretty much guaranteed to be ignored by Sega, who honestly don't seem to give a shit about the VF scene outside of Japan. You will likely exist in the center of a talent vacuum in your area, with no other VF players worth playing anywhere near you. And you will have few to no good opportunities to really put your skills to the test in real competition.

In short, if you don't live in Japan, taking the trouble to get good at VF is a complete waste of time unless you are doing it for the fun. I for one, am willing to do it for the fun, and I think most people here are too. But if you want to really attract people to something that takes this much work, you have to make it accessible and attach some prestige to it. In Japan they do, which is why they have such great VF scene there. In North America they don't and that's why we have no scene here. Just few dedicated players who want to get better, but recognize they have nothing to look forward to if they succeed.

 

This is completely incorrect. How many of you know all the frames for all the characters, punish every move correctly, ducks all strings where there is a high to be ducked, applies fuzzy in all situations, know how to space correctly, know how to move, know how to apply defensive techniques, apply correct nitaku etc etc. This is all stuff that is needed to be competitive and a lot of it is stuff you can learn by reading, practicing and researching.

The problem is I see very few of the "Online generation" that even bothers, some players even pride themselves on their lack of knowledge and gives themselves props for playing "outside the box" when they don't even know what the box is.

 

Ok, so I should have included the players as well but I don't think it's completely incorrect to say Sega is at fault too. Your right about the list of things you are saying that not everybody knows about but honestly if I want to learn things like frame data for every character I'd rather learn that shit for VF5R. I mean, wheres the motivation seriously we are playing two different versions of the game, the thread might as well be called VF5 Vs VF5R because it doesn't make sense to compare Japan/NA with 2 different games, I'm damn sure if R was out we would have a lot more people playing and being active, then I'd compare the two. Japan would probably still win, but the point I'm trying to make clear is this: Sega Sucks.

 

I'm sure alot of the data carries over or didn't alter too much, and then you could just concentrate on the newest moves.

 

Forget this post I get it

 

I don't even know what you're talking about.

 

+20 - thats why i would'nt pick up the controller against them.
LMAO@ People worried about "R" and don't know shit about the basics in Vanilla 5.

 

Do we need to turn this into an online sucks thread or a bitching about how VF5R isn't coming out thread? It's been done to death already.

 

It just looks like a you should learn the basics thread. Not only would that help you out if you had the chance to play R, it would also help vs Japan, and it would help in playing the game right in front of you.

Sometimes playing online dudes don't even need to know the basics cause their lame shit works when it shouldnt.

Sometimes playing VF5 vanilla dudes don't even need to know the basics cause they feel it wouldn't apply to them in R.

Sometimes playing dudes don't even need to know the basics, cause they aren't at risk of either A having to pay to play, and/or B, having to go back to the end of the line or the rotation.

 

I didn't post here......

 

I still don't know what you're talking about.

This isn't a NA VF5 vs Japan VF5R thread, is it?

I thought it was just a NAVF vs Japan VF thread.

I'll just leave now.

 

Hey, after playing you it's pretty obvious he means you too under the "online generation" so don't act like your somewhere on top of the food chain because I don't even consider you in the bottom.

 

I didn't post here...

 

Generic, I disagree on the idea that it's solely the player fault. You need to put learning to play VF into context.

Let me make an analogy that you might be familiar with: learning kanji. I like learning kanji but every time I learn a new one I forget some others. It's because around me there aren't many kanji to read, not on tv, not in the street, so learning them is just a matter of looking at them out of context, in a textbook.

Learning frames and moves properties is pretty much the same for me. I try to learn every move property and every frame of every fighter, but I dont get to play the frame game much, so all the knowledge I accumulated goes to waste.

If I was to face a variety of opponents every day,I could put that knowledge in practice. As you said, online is not like that because most people will lag or just plain spam.

In my opinion it's hard to be good at VF without suitable competition around you.

 

What?

Who said anything about the disparity in skill level being solely the fault of the players? The responses have been directed towards the idea that if Sega released R in NA, the gap between the proficiency of NA and Japanese players would be closed. In actuality, I think the difference would be minimal. Arcades aren't exactly thriving here, and not as many people are interested in the game. Sega could do more to promote the game here, but I'm not sure how much good that would do.

 

Feel guilty Bitch? Did i mention your name? You think i give a fuck where i stand in a Food chain? I can't believe this Loser..I hold my own on or offline come tourney time.Its just a few of you i just don't like playing and your one of them. Honestly the other is far better than you with your own character SMH!!!
Infact while were at it you need to learn the basics of VF5 period and spend more time in the dojo and not trolling the boards you cornball. You Jeff is trash and i suggest you learn the fundamentals before you ever open your mouth again.
In fact whenever my hands feel like moving if you ever join my game i just hit the standby button on your bum ass Jeffry.

 

This site has always been filled with bitching and complaining.
I see that there are 4 groups of people who probably should stay away from responding to each other.

0. They don't post anyway. Less said, best said. If it was up to them there wouldn't be a forum though.

1. Few people who actually really know and apply what is supposed to work.

2. Lots of people "think" they know how to apply what works. If they lose they have an arsenal of excuses its: A. Lag, B. You braking the rules, C. general complaints about being online, D: You're an asshole. Sorry just because you've played Konjou/Denkai offline doesn't mean you have their knowledge. Similarly an offlne environment doesn't mean that you'll win either.

3. A lot of people say "fuck all of yuz" because you "lose for winning" because group 2 generally loses and bitches about online play and group 1 wins and bitches just to bitch.

 

Who gives a shit if Japan is better?

Japan has:

Waaaay Higher Population density & gaming is more acceptable for smart people

So...

Higher concentration of higher aptitude gamers playing each other and honing their skills.

Stop blaming SEGA for lack of VF popularity. Every American (mostly) who plays fighting games has played VF. They just don't like it. They would rather spam with a breakdancing kangaroo. SEGA is annoying and shitty to their fanbase, but VF is unpopular because American gamers don't want to think, they want to spam.

Even by making VF5 way more spammer friendly (Lei Brad Vane Shun and of course dpmk) in relation to VF 1234 it didn't rise in popularity. The only way VF will very popular in the U.S. is if they make it even stupider. Not b/c Americans are all stupid, but because smart people in the U.S. who play fighting games are few and far between.