Judo Vs Aikido

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/versus/images/graemlins/indifferent.gif Me thinks my point is that MMA is just as flawed or good (pending on how you look at it) as any other martial art. As for how well it would fair against other martial art styles, we will never know. Its all just masturbation to describe how Mixed Martial Arts beats all other styles and there is no mainstream tournament or even underground tournament thats gonna prove your point. And to site that sill y match... /versus/images/graemlins/lol.gif Ninja > All , why? Cuz they have weapons, stealth gadgets AND know karate. Sometimes i think jokes ruin my valid points.

 

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To me, the best defense is to be saying these things behind the screen. You might say that is cowardly, but why should I put myself in a situation where I can be tackled, punched, injured, etc. Of course, there may be a time when that life and death situation knocks on my door, but at least mentally, you should already realize you just have to do what you have to do in those times. That's enough for me, but maybe other people aren't confident enough to feel that way, thus the need to prepare oneself. I'm sure it doesn't feel good to hear all the people talking trash about the things you take seriously, it really makes you want to reach across and punch them in the face. Unfortunately, that's also probably something that won't happen. So I would think it's frustrating to realize the things you train to do well isn't so practical in real life. Putting those training into use carry a heavy price, one that's almost too much to pay for most. So some approach this another way, they go to tournaments, UFC, Pride FC!! For the glory, the honor, the prize money, the chance to demonstrate their discipline's excellence! They go into the ring and get their bodies all punched up, for the rich people that can afford the tickets, for the excited fans watching on PPV, for the fellow practioners with the dvd's, for martial arts fans around the world to watch!! Good for those people, for their enthusiasm in providing entertainment for the masses. We need it just as much as those who ask if we'd like fries with that.

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To be honest I think your oversimplyfing and generalising the issue of why people like take part in, engage in etc, martial arts/combat activites but hey an interesting viewpoint.
Remember fastfood employees are human too /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Vith_Dos said:

/versus/images/graemlins/indifferent.gif Me thinks my point is that MMA is just as flawed or good (pending on how you look at it) as any other martial art.

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It's not really a martial art, it's a blending of martial arts, taking the most usable from each to provide a skill set.
Say you learnt a set of skills from playing certain games and applied that to a new game, what would you call that?
But yeah every system is flawed in one way or another..

 

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The only way to truly claim that you have mastered self defense, is to be balanced, and to keep your mind open. Train for every concievable situation. Train grappling. Train standing strikes. Train running the F away. Train with handguns. Walk around LA at night and ask people to be your training buddies.

No one is perfect. MMO is a sport. Akido is a martial art. Knives cut.

Me, I just try to stay out of trouble.

PS: Nice story Sanjuro.

 

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KTallguy said:

No one is perfect. MMO is a sport. Akido is a martial art. Knives cut.

Me, I just try to stay out of trouble.

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Well said!

In my experience, it really doesn' matter which style you train but HOW you train it.

When you spar, there needs to be realistic contact and evil intentions.

For me, boxing, MT and MMA have worked pretty well in keeing me safe. But realistically, all the street fight I have been in have been over very quickly and they all went as follows:

I hit FIRST. Hard in the face.
I clinch and knee them till their down.
Stomp em a little aftrewards and humiliate them so they don't come back.

In a NHB situation brutality is more importat than technique.

But that's just my opinion, of course.

 

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I could not disagree more with you Srider. (Your last paragraph)

We live in a 9-5 world. You graduate, you get married, you have kids, you retire, you hope your kids do something with their life, rinse and repeat.

The fighters are the very rare breed of people that actually do something with their life. They have a passion, and they pursue it. They do not want to live their life with regret, and they won't.

You speak of the contributions of the fighter to society in the same light as a fast food employee, but it is not nearly as simple. If it was, it could be applied to EVERYONE.

The last book I read involved a comedian who struggled with the fact that she was never going to cure any diseases, or go into space or anything like that, and that she might be viewed as a fraud because of it. But, she is reassured that because she is doing something she truly enjoys, and her type is a rare commodity, that she should not feel guilty about it.

So yes, you can live in your 9-5 world and be a "contributing member of society", but you will die and be forgotten, just as 99.999999% of the people who have walked this earth have.

Very few fighters fight for the money, it is the sport and competition that draws them in. And to me, there is no more noble profession (than one where you follow your passion).

 

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StoneColdSerb said:

But realistically, all the street fight I have been in have been over very quickly and they all went as follows:

I hit FIRST. Hard in the face.
I clinch and knee them till their down.
Stomp em a little aftrewards and humiliate them so they don't come back.



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I definitely believe this is true as well.

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Vanity said:
The fighters are the very rare breed of people that actually do something with their life. They have a passion, and they pursue it. They do not want to live their life with regret, and they won't.

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I definitely agree with living your life in pursuit of your passion. Believe me, I'm someone who also truly believes that people should do something special with their lives. Good for you if you do realize that. Given that, nothing I've said should really threaten what you believe.

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Vanity said:
Very few fighters fight for the money, it is the sport and competition that draws them in. And to me, there is no more noble profession (than one where you follow your passion).


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Looks like we are finally on the same page. It's a sport, stop comparing it to real life. In the end, the important thing is to get something of lasting worth out of your life, no matter what you do.

 

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I thought this discussion was about aikido v. judo! How the hell did you people get this much off topic?

 

Aikido and Judo sucks . Tae kwon Do and kickboxing are the best.

 

Ya man tae kwon do > all

/sarcasm

 

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Hey maddy...check out my new avatar! I don't know how long I'll keep it but I was thinking s_aki could also mean simian akira which really does apply sometimes. & then it looks like the little guy's doing DLC, right? Y'know, you can pretty much train a chimp to do anything.

 

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s_aki said:

Hey maddy...check out my new avatar! I don't know how long I'll keep it but I was thinking s_aki could also mean simian akira which really does apply sometimes. & then it looks like the little guy's doing DLC, right? Y'know, you can pretty much train a chimp to do anything.

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wow, never saw that before. I guess monkey see monkey do, but can he tackle and mount? cuz thats all that matters.

 

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LOL

It almost looks like he's going to bust out a Final Tuned style.

 

Re: What about ninjas?

Dude, I've trained in traditional martial arts since 1992..and to a small extent, still continue to do so. The fact is for most TMA people, the reality of combat simply is not what they practice for. The reality of combat that TMA were developed for was in a different time. Of course in a battlefield your not gunna want to roll around with someone cause you will get stomped on, stabbed, etc. If I was a soilder in a war, no way in hell I would be trying to do x-guard sweeps, flying arm bars, taking people down, etc etc. I would most definatly try to keep the fight standing.
You realize, the ONLY rules that were in the first UFC were no eye gouging? Are you telling me that eye gouging is needed for TMA people to win? Honestly, lets think about what your proposing. Eye gouging was not even on the rules list of the original vale tudo fights in Brazil.
Why should you fight? If its not in you to do so - you shouldn't. Especially a vale tudo fight. Now I can do Brazilian JIu JItsu until I die because it does not require me being punched, slammed, etc etc. Now, for people who are fighters, it is very hard to describe that desire. Its something that has been in me for a long time and probally never exstinguish. Is it the smartest thing in the world? No. I have a college degree and work so I don't *need* to fight, but I am *driven* to fight by whatever is a bit off kilter in my psyche. In terms of a street fight, any sane person will tell you that disarming the situation before it comes to violence is the smartest way to handle things...but incase I can't do that, I have some tricks to fall back on.


If you want a great book to read No Holds Barred I think that will provide quite a bit of insight.

 

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Ma0, very nicely put especially the TMA part b/c I couldn't have said it better.

 

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s_aki said:

Hey maddy...check out my new avatar! I don't know how long I'll keep it but I was thinking s_aki could also mean simian akira which really does apply sometimes. & then it looks like the little guy's doing DLC, right? Y'know, you can pretty much train a chimp to do anything.

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Hey, S_Akira. Cool avatar there. =)

 

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kungfusmurf said:

Ma0, very nicely put especially the TMA part b/c I couldn't have said it better.

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With no sarcasim, that means a lot.

 

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No sarcasim behind it. Since TMA most of it was borned out of military use. A few points w/ that is if you couldn't generate the one technique knockout/killing power require to survive if you were on the ground. Regardless of how skilled you were @ grappling or ground techniques if you couldn't elimate as many enemies around you as fast as possible then you were pretty much done in a battlefield.

The problem with TMA techniques are either they are too danagerous to be used in a sport regulate fights or that training methods of TMA practitioners are not refine or experience enough to help him use those techniques that fellow those principles in a uncontrolled enviroment: street fight or the ring.

I personally believe that Top-Level % Karate techniques are more refine than say Muay Thai but as a overall art it's much more powerful.

In turn I would say the top 1% of Karate would say beat the top 1% top of Muay Thai. But as a overall style Muay Thai would kick the crap of most if not all karate practitioners since they sparr a lot more, have more powerful attacks & have more training methods simply towards fighting.

Oh lastly for all those Wankers who think they know what they're yapping about except for the Jew of course & some few others. It takes a lot I mean lot of time & experience to develop TMA techniques. Just b/c you took TKD, Karate or even boxing for 10 years don't mean Jack!

P.S. I'm pretty drunk by the way while I'm writing this b.s. right now. /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

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Top level kyokushin is on par with top level muay thai.

I don't really consider karate a TMA, a TMA is not defined by a "name" in my opinion, only in the methods of training.

 

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kyokushin isn't Karate! & least of all traditional karate. It's like some American creating a style & names it Kempo karate people thinks it's karate. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

And even if I'd considered Kyokushin karate no it's still not comparable to Muay Thai as a whole.

 

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An interesting note, Aswelio (phonetically spelled), a top fighter from Chute Boxe, said that karate may well be the next revolution in MMA, since if you train it full power, it offers a more diverse set of attacks and angles than Muay Thai.

Oh yeah, Akido, like wing chung, leads to brainwashing and jedi mind tricks.