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Lion's move analysis

Discussion in 'Lion' started by Chibitox, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. Ares-olimpico

    Ares-olimpico Well-Known Member Content Manager Lion

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    My fault I read the wiki in the movement section. I think is a good idea add a line in this section talking about the penalty too. If i write that i'll ask you first
    Thanks. see you
     
  2. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    I've gone ahead and mentioned DM from Side Turned incurring a 3f penalty. You can see it mentioned as a side note in Successful DM, and again as a bullet point under DM Advantage.
     
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  3. Ares-olimpico

    Ares-olimpico Well-Known Member Content Manager Lion

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    Hi
    here another funny post :p
    Lion's [P][+][K][+][G] [5][8]/[2] and [4][P][+][K][+][G] vs Eileen
    [P] works no punish-able
    [P][P] works
    [P][P][P] works
    [P][P][4][P] 13f advantage
    [P][3][P] 11 to back his opponent's back
    [6][P] 12
    [6][P][P] si No Punish
    [4][P] yes No Punishable To front Hits Back [4][P][+][K][+][G] works too
    [4][6][P] no [4][P][+][K][+][G] works
    [4][4][P] idem
    [3][P] works 15f
    [3][P] and [3][3][P] no
    [1][P] y 11
    [9][P] NO
    [P][+][K] Si and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [6][P][+][K] 14f
    [6][P][+][K][P] works N oP
    Next vs that works in same order than VFDC commands list
    [2][1][4][P] y and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [2][1][4][P][P] 12 and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [2][1][4][P][P][P] 15; [4][P][+][K][+][G] no
    [2][3][6][P][+][K][P] and [2][1][4][P][+][K][P] no
    Eileen back turned
    [P] y NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [2][K][P] ¿idem? [2][K][P][P] no
    [P][+][K] yes NoP
    [8][P][+][K][+][G] and
    [P] 14f
    [P][P] 16f
    [P][P][P] both not but maybe opponents cancel with [2][1][4][P]
     
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  4. Ares-olimpico

    Ares-olimpico Well-Known Member Content Manager Lion

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    vs El Blaze
    [P] y NoP
    [P][P] works No Punishable Auto Guard (if you guard the first you continue guarding this second hits even you release or smash others buttons )
    [P][P][P] 11 evading to Eileen can hits eileen back
    [6][P] 12f
    [4][6][P] yes NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [4][6][P][P] idem but is AG (Auto Guard)
    [4][P] yes NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [4][P][K][P] [4][P][+]...
    [3][P] 13f
    [3][P][P] yes and [4][P][+]...
    [4][1][2][3][6][P] no
    [2][K][P] yes 13f and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [2][K][P][P] only [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [P][+][K]yes NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [P][+][K][P] idem
    [P][+][K][P][P] no
    [6][P][+][K] si NoP & [4][P][+]...
    [6][P][+][K] si NoP not [4][P][+]...
    [4][P][+][K] yes
    [4][6][P][+][K] 13f
    [4][3][P][+][K]yes but need to wait then is no t usefull [4][P][+][K][+][G] no sabaki but duck and you can continue with a move diferent than [2][K]
    [4][P][+][K] yes
    [2_][6][P][+][K] no [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [3][P][+][K] yes 16f
    [P][+][K][+][G][P] no, [4][P][+]... yes
    [3][P][+][K][+][G][P] 13f
    Back Turned
    [P] yes and [4][P][+]...
    [2][P] yes NoP
    Sorry i know is a lot of data, spoiler sometimes you use [P][+][K][+][G] and [P]your opponents chains more moves and you destroy him with [3][K] or [3][3][6][P][+][K]
    Tomorrow more
     
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  5. Ares-olimpico

    Ares-olimpico Well-Known Member Content Manager Lion

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    Vs Aoi
    [P] yes and [4][P][+]...
    [P][P] yes 12f [4][P][+]...
    [P][P][P] yes 12f [4][P][+]...
    [P][P][6][P] yes 16f i.e [4][K][P] [2][P][6][6][K][K]
    [P][P][6][P][P] no
    [P][P][2]/[8][P] yes 12 and [4][P][+]...
    [6][P] yes 12f
    [6][P][P] 13f and [4][P][+]...
    [6][6][P] yes 14 ToBhitB?
    [6][4][P] yes 13 but this move is very slow the you need to wait a lot of frames
    [4][P] 12¿? sorry dont your undestand my own notes
    [4][6][P]yes 23f or more
    [2_][3][P] yes 16f but you need your opponent fail the hit throw
    [3][P] yes
    [K][P]yes NoP and [4][P]...
    [4][K][P] yes 12 ToBhitB
    [4][4][P] yes NoP
    [4][3][P] No
    [2][K][P]yes NoP and [4][P]...
    [2][K][P][P] 12f
    [P][+][K] 13f
    [6][P][+][K] 13f. if opponents chains [6][P][+][K][P] you can hit her back even with [4][P][+][K]
    [6][P][+][K][P] no
    [6][6][P][+][K] 13f
    [6][6][P][+][K][P] no
    [6][4][P][+][K] 18
    [6][4][P][+][K][P] no
    [4][6][P][+][K] no
    [4][4][P][+][K] no, [4][P][+][K][+][G] yes
    [4][3][P][+][K] 14f
    [2_][3][P][+][K] 11
    [2_][3][P][+][K] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [2_][6][P][+][K] 16f
    [1]/[9][P][+][K] 14 and [4][P][+]...
    [6][P] no
    [4][P] no [4][P][+]...
    [2]/[8][P] no
    Sundome [P] no, [4][P][+]...
    jumping
    desc [P] 15 good because descending k is only 21dmg and -4 better than 20 and guessing game
    BacK Turned
    [P] si NoP and [4][P]...
    [P][+][K] 13
    [P][+][K][P] yes NoP A.G
    [P][+][K][P][P] no
    [P][+][K][P][6][P] 15f
    [P][+][K][P][6][P][P]no
     
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  6. Ares-olimpico

    Ares-olimpico Well-Known Member Content Manager Lion

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    Lion's [P][+][K][+][G] and [4][P][+][K][+][G] vs Sarah
    [P], [P][P], [P][P][P] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [6][P] NoP
    [6][P][P] NoP (NoP = yes but Not Punishable)ToBhB and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [4][P] 11 ToBhB and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [4][4][P] NoP [4][P][+]...
    [3][P] NoP [4][P][+]...
    [3][P][P] 13
    [K][P]NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [K][K] is auto guard if not delayed if delays second kick connects in neutral
    [6][K][P] NoP [4][P][+]... If Sarah [6][K][K] 18Dmg and -1
    trying [2][1][4][P] on second kick is riskier -7f if [6][K][P] connects in CH
    [6][P][+][K] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [6][P][+][K][P] NoP and [4][P][+]... but is auto guard and not delayable
    [6][P][+][K][3][P] NoP
    [3][P][+][K] 13
    Flamingo
    [P]and [3][P] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    Step
    [P] 12
    [P][P] no
    Forward Step
    [P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [P][P] NoP but is auto guard
    [P][+][K] no, [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [4][P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [4][P][+][K] No, [4][P][+]...
    Jumping Both PUnches no
     
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  7. Ares-olimpico

    Ares-olimpico Well-Known Member Content Manager Lion

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    And Now Versus Shun Di
    [P] and [P][P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [P][P][P] 13f
    [P][P][4][P] NoP
    [P][P][4][P][P] 13f
    [6][P] 14f
    [6][P][P] no
    [4][P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [4][P][P]13f
    [4][6][P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [4][6][P][[P] or [P][P]][P][+][K] 13f
    [4][4][P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [2][3][P] 17f evaded Front hit Shun,s Back and 3K wil cause crumple
    Spoiler 3k will cause crumple most of the times your opponent chains after your [P][+][K][+][G]
    [2][3][6][P] no
    [2][3][6][P][P] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [2][1][4][P] no
    [3][P] 15
    [3][P][P] 12 and [4][P][+]..., [4][P][+]... is better because [3][P][P][K] is dificult to punish after [P][+][K][+][G]
    [K][K][P] 13 and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [2][3][6][K][P] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [2][3][6][K][P][P] no
    [3][K][P] 15 and [4][P][+]...
    [P][+][K] first part 27 and [4][P][+]...
    [P][+][K] second part NoP
    [6][P][+][K] no
    [4][P][+][K] mmmm works only if shun fail the hit throw
    [4][6][P][+][K] yes continue with 3k. [4][P][+]... works too
    [4][6][P][+][K] second part idem
    [4][3][P][+][K] 17 no side hit of [3][P][+][K] ; [3][K] only back [3][3][6][P][+][K] crumple if evade back
    [4][3][P][+][K][P] no both but if you [P][+][K][+][G] first [4][3][P][+][K] and check next [P] [3][K] crumple both sides
    [2][1][4][P][+][K] no
    [3][P][+][K] not charge 13
    [1][P][+][K] no, [4][P][+]...
    [9][P][+][K] no
    [6][P][+][K][+][G]
    [1]/[7] [P][+][K][+][G] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G] but what setup you can use it with?
    [2][P][+][K][+][G][P] no
    [4][1][2][3][6][P][+][K][+][G][K][P] NoP [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [4][1][2][3][6][P][+][K][+][G][P][+][K] no, [4][P][+]...
    Chôkarô
    [P] 14 and [4][P][+]...
    [P][P] 11
    [K][P] no
    Sôkokukyû
    [P] 15
    [P][P] ¿? sorry
    [P][+][K] and [P][+][K][P] no
    back turned [P] 15
    back turned [P][+][K] no
    BACK TURNED
    [P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [P][+][K] no
    [P][+][K][+][G] NoP
    [P][+][K][+][G][P] NoP
    [P][+][K][+][G][P][P] no but if you [P][+][K][+][G] the previus one and opponent chains this you can use [4][P][+][K], [3][K] (me wrote 6k but i think is a typo) [3][3][6][P][+][K]
     
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  8. Ares-olimpico

    Ares-olimpico Well-Known Member Content Manager Lion

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    Vs Pai
    [P] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [P][P] ídem but is auto guard
    [P][P][P] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [P][P][4][P] NoP and [4][P][+][K][+][G] that is better because [P][P][4][P][K][K] can interrupt you after [P][+][K][+][P] [2]/[8]
    [6][P] 12
    [6][6][P] 14 evade to Opponents Front hit her back
    [4][6][P] NoP EtoFhB and [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [4][6][P][P] no if you [P][+][K][+][G] previus 3k will cause crumple
    [4][P] no
    [4][4][P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [2_][4][P] NoP
    [3][P][P] NoP y [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [3][P][P][P] NoP y [4][P][+][K][+][G]
    [3][P][P] [4][P] NoP
    [6][K][P] NoP better [4][P][+][K][+][G] [6][K][P][K] can CH you
    [6][6][K][P] 13
    [3][K][P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [3][K][P][P] no
    [P][+][K] 12
    [6][P][+][K] 12
    [6][P][+][K][P] 15
    [2][P][+][K] 12 but next [K] can CH you, can try crouch and 3k
    [3][P][+][K] no
    Bokutai ¿[P]?
    [P] no
    [P][P] NoP y [4][P][+]...
    Warning [P][+][K] is -19 for Lion
    Meishoho ([4][P][+][K][+][G])
    [P] First part yes second i don know
    [P][P] no
    Hakesho no but [4][P][+][K][+][G] evade [P][+][G]
    Jumping NO
    Back Turned
    [P] NoP and [4][P][+]...
    [P][+][K] no in my notebook: Back Dash even -7 [3][K] causes crumple
     
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