Lost - The End

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Thanks for this.

 

I imagine the internet would be a much quieter place if people practiced this. I wouldn't complain.

That post is interesting. Not in that it offers any real insider secrets - if anything, it just states in a very declarative voice what many rational viewers could deduce were it not so easy to get caught up in the "mystery" of the show. I guess it's refreshing to see someone possibly linked to the show not hide behind ambiguity, as if somehow doing that makes the show better.

One thing I never really did was associate Jacob's desire to find a new protector of the island to mean that he needed to find someone to stop/kill the MIB. In hindsight it makes sense, since the rules their mother put in place state that the two can't hurt each other, and the only way for the MIB to leave the island would apparently be to destroy the island/unleash hell on earth, but up until the last handful of episodes it had been so easy to equate Jacob with "good" and the MIB with "bad" that I guess I missed this. I interpreted the role of the protector of the island to mean keeping people like Dharma and Widmore (what exactly was the point of this character again?) away.

Thanks for the link.

 

I loved Lost, I loved the mistery and HATED how they forgot to mention EVERYTHING in the finale.

Damn it was a pretty good finale if you look at the characters, but most of the character interaction was driven by the mistery. Mistery UNSOLVED.

There were a billion of ways to come up to an answer about the Island. But you cannot throw up random mystic/sci-fi/historical things to the audience just to make us think "wow let's see how things will connect!", and then just say "well, the show was about the characters, dumbasses"

Then make a three season show about characters and dont make up things like the wheel, the illness, AARON (Hell I was pretty sure that MIB name would turn to be aaron). The whole "special kids" thing (walt was FORGOTTEN, damn). And what to say about the temples, the statue, the bloody diary of the Black Rock that widmore gets, and every other detail that was presented as crucially important through the whole serie.

Turns out that was important to keep people hooked week after week and make money from it. I'ts an old story.

And about the link, I truly doubt that's from an actual writer cause is wrong about one of the few things who were made clear by the finale: Eloise Hawkings does not need to be awakened. She is in the very same situation of Desmond and she deliberately choose to keep things as they are in the purgatory. She does't want to lose her son (and that's why she kept him away from being a Physicist in the afterlife).

It is pretty clear that the show was stretched out from a 12 episodes story about people fighting their nightmares in a desert island to a 6 season worldwide money milker.

Sorry for my english guys. If you had the patience to read till here

 

Is this really thought to be from a writer of Lost? It seems way too "I'm geeking out here" on some of the points and the author actually refers to the Lost team as "they" in several spots. Seems like a fan to me. a hardcore, love-this-show-to-the-end fan

 

You're partially right; I believe the original plan for Lost was for it to be a 4-season show, but after its huge success, ABC wanted to milk it for as long as possible (they wanted 7 seasons). That's where season 2/3 and all their horseshit mystery came from - filler. Ultimately they settled on 6 seasons, and I agree that it's obvious they did not have 6 seasons of content.

 

If one of the writers of lost were to truthfully step up and write something for the masses I think it need only go like this: "we'd like you to ignore all the stuff we introduced as a means of creating more ad dollars, throw people off track (since they guessed where the lostees were early on), and limit the hunt for a prime time replacement and just concentrate on the relationships in the story...the way we probably should have".

It would have been a great three arc/season story, four at the most. and with much tighter writing control.

 

I've read somewere that JJ Abrams thought lost as a mini serie of 12 episodes.

No Dharma was involved, no "others", just the survivors and their nightmares.

This would explain the role of Walt in the first season, and the polar bear. While in the plane Walt was reading a comic book (Green Lantern, I think), with a big polar bear in it.

This thing is remarked when someone (hugo maybe) burns the comic book, just after the polar bear encounter. In the original idea that was a nightmare-comes-to-reality by Walt. Then they throw out the whole hatch/dharma thing from their hat for season 2. Then for the third season Abrams says bye to Lost and this is what we got in the end

 

http://screenrant.com/lost-finale-explanation-kofi-61464/

an interesting little tie up of some loose ends by a self-confessed "moderate fan".

Abrams is a high concept idea maker with no follow through. I don't know that I've seen anything of his that wasn't "this could be really freaking coo...oh well".

Damon Lindelof is much the same. Although he'll eventually follow through by the time it gets to you it's like a watery soup hitting the table at the same time you're on to your desert: it's blander than promised and who cares now, you're on to something much better.

 

Please don't tell me that any of you fell for that. If this person actually worked for Bad Robot then the person must have been asleep the years that LOST was being written.

Things I know to be false:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. </div></div>
Wrong. The island was written as a Garden of Eden or purgatory originally. A source of life and the source of the human soul or a place where souls could prove themselves worthy before they 'moved on'. Yet the fans quickly figured out that the island was possibly purgatory. So it was changed to be a godly artifact after that. But at that point elements of purgatory and the afterlife had already been written into the show which is why things are such a mess.

Jacob unwittingly unleashed the smoke monster, which was only for the last 200 years, on an island that had been around for thousands of years already. We now know that the only person who could remove the cork, and pass through the light, was Desmond. Anyone else who touched the light either died or became the smoke. So then why in hell would Jacob bring Desmond to the island? Sure it might suck living eternally with the smoke monster, but if he can't remove the cork, and no normal person can, then he poses no threat. The island was basically harmless without Desmond. Major plot hole.

And when people tried to build the donkey wheel, Jacob's mother annihilated them in some crazy inferno. So it's not like the island was in trouble with Jacob watching over it because he could just set any asshole who tried to mess with the island on fire.

It was only when Desmond came to the island where Jacob needed to prevent the smoke monster from using him. If Desmond doesn't come to the island then everything is safe. The monster couldn't leave the island. Couldn't kill Jacob. And if anyone touched the light they would die. So why bring Desmond to the island if he was so dangerous?

Why bother turning the donkey wheel and moving the island and all that? Why not have Jacob set Charles Widmore's people on fire instead? Why not save everyone the trouble and just have Jacob use his powers? If Richard is immortal then why not have him take an AK-47 and start blasting away at everyone?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.</div></div>
Jacob's fake mother told him that evil people come to the island to attempt to steal the golden light. Charles Widmore was corrupt before he came to the island. It had been happening for ages. This was before Jacob threw his brother into the light and caused him to become the Egyptian smoke monster. Evil people existed on the island before the smoke monster was formed. And evil people existed on earth and traveled to the island without needing to be corrupted by anyone.

The smoke monster corrupting people was written in way late into the series. The nuclear bomb on the island was supposed to symbolize man's use of science to create weapons and create destruction. It was supposed to foreshadow that if Charles Widmore's people used the island for experiments that those experiments would be as bad as nuclear weapons.

The island didn't need protection from letting the smoke monster off of it. It needed protection from humans using the island to create weapons or time travel and alter history and so on. But that aspect was largely ignored and replaced with the lazy 'good and evil' dichotomy.

The candidates were not just supposed to kill the smoke monster. They were supposed to protect the island from anything and everything and not just the supernatural. Why was Charles Widmore a villain all those seasons? Because he was said to want to use the island for his own good. To use the healing properties and so on for his own purposes and not to protect the island. Hell Widmore even sank a plane into the ocean to prevent people from looking for Ocean 815. The guy was hellbent on owning the island and yet he was eventually killed by the smoke monster. The first four seasons everyone was looking to prevent people like Widmore from taking control of the island.

And how was the island able to summon John Locke's father in that box? Where does that fit into the story? Was that the smoke monster pretending to be Locke's father? Why was Sawyer allowed to murder him and others yet still get into heaven? I love how this 'writer' answers no hard questions like these yet he pretends he actually sat in the writers' meetings for LOST. And remember what Anthony Cooper, Locke's father says, "we are dead, we are in hell" (I don't know the exact quote). He says that everyone is dead. He says he blacked out then woke up in some room tied to a chair.

Can you explain that by science? No don't even try. Can you explain by everyone being dead already? Duh. As usual the writers just making things up as they go.

And remember why the French woman crashed on the island? She was following a radio signal that contained the 'numbers'. This is never explained in detail. Why did the survivors crash on the island? Because of Desmond failing to hit the button. Did Jacob cause Desmond to stop hitting the button? How could Jacob have known that Desmond would crash their flight? Why did Eko's brother crash on the island? Was it so that Charlie could dome himself some H? Was that because of Jacob? Serious who are the sheep who are defending this show.

And Henry Gale crashing his balloon on the island? The writers specifically explained in an interview that Gale would be shown in a flash back in the fifth season including the moment where Ben is captured in the trap. NONE of this appeared anywhere. Why? Because it would introduce even more plot holes. How is it that NO ONE could find the island even with the most advanced and sophisticated machinery...yet some goofball riding a balloon manages to drop on the island?

Another purgatory moment written into the show. In one of the first two seasons when Charlie is high on drugs, what does he become obsessed with? Baptizing the baby. He wants to clear the baby of original sin. Why? Maybe because the island was a place between the afterlife and life, a form of purgatory?

Also the last episode, the building that they are in, it's a church. Remember what Mr. Eko's purpose was on the island? To build a church, that same church. He wanted to redeem himself in order to get into heaven. He understood that the island was testing everyone. After he kills the two 'others' in self defense he doesn't speak for 40 straight days. He atones for his sins. The smoke monster, somehow knows what Yemi looks like, ignore that, and appears to Eko at his brother. Then the monster kills Eko. What are Eko's last words? "I saw the devil". At this point the actor who played him wanted to quit the show so they wrote him off without being able to tie up his loose ends.

Eko says he saw the devil. Locke's dad says that they are in hell. Oh but the island is real? What is going on?

The point is that they were just writing this shit without worrying about the big picture.

And seriously...how is Desmond able to connect to the flash sideways purgatory yet remain on the 'real' island.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB.</div></div>
So wrong. Why were the Dharma running tests on electromagnetism? Or branding sharks? Or running tests on fertility and pregnancy? Or trying to cure disease? Why was it clearly stated in the show initially that the Dharma Initiative was formed to study the electromagnetic properties of the island? Why did they bring polar bears? Why where they studying time travel? How does that possibly fit in with Jacob and the smoke monster? *facepalm*

Maybe this guy doesn't work for Bad Robot and he's just pretending to be a writer? I also love his spelling mistakes.

The Dharma initiative was originally written as a group of people who came to study the island for scientific reasons. Electromagnetism. Time travel. And so on. Then the 'others' killed them to protect the island from being experimented on to protect the island.

Of course what makes zero fucking sense is that if a major university or institution sent a group of hundreds of Dharma workers to an island...and almost none of them ever returned...wouldn't that sound an alarm to someone?

Why when Miles and Charlotte, as kids, escape the island, why doesn't the media get alerted to the death of their parents on the island? Why do those kids cover for the Dharma initiative all of their lives? Why doesn't anyone know anything about the island other than people like Charles Widmore? How could the Dharma initiative keep their operation a secret for so long without anyone knowing? Hell even the U.S. military had a nuclear weapon on the island at one point yet the island is still a secret? Yet the island doesn't appear in any history books?

This is why the writers didn't explain the island. They couldn't. It was lazy and dumb writing. But the fans will mindlessly create answers for the plot holes because they cannot see how poorly the show was written in the long term.

I guess writing yourself into a corner is the new 'deep'.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.</div></div>
More bullshit from this guy. When Michael died on the ship who appeared to him? Christian Shepherd. And what did Christian say? "You can go now Michael". The same fucking thing he said to Jack before Jack moved on to the next 'stage'. He was giving Michael permission to move on to the afterlife from purgatory which is another possibility for what the island was supposed to be though the idea was scrapped.

Oh but then the writers didn't want to make the island purgatory because the fans thought that idea was lame. But they couldn't scientifically explain the island either. So what do they do? They pretended that Michael's soul was still trapped on the island and that's what the voices were. Even though Christian told Michael that he could go. What the fuck Christian you stupid dickhead why would you lie to Michael and tell him he could go? Unless your lie was the result of poor writing of a group of confused writers...

Best part is that the smoke monster said he appeared to Jack on the island as Jack's father to lure him to the waterfall and the bodies. Then how did Jack's father appear on the ship to Michael? Was that a different person? Where is Jack's father's body? When Jacob's brother died and became the smoke he still left a dead body. When Locke died and he became the smoke he left a body as well. That couldn't have been the smoke monster on the ship because he couldn't leave the island. And how did Jack's father appear to Jack in the flash forwards? Was that a hallucination? Was Jack's father appearing to him a manifestation of the writer's lack of talent? Anyone?

No way this guy worked for LOST as a writer.

Fuck I've proofread this too many times I'm just hitting submit.

 

Unanswered Lost Questions from CollegeHumor.com

 

Hey I already posted that!

 

See - the thing is, it's cool when Shag posts something.


I do appreciate the effort you're putting into this Lost thread, though. I like it much better than your usual "blah-blah-garbage-coming-from-mouth-making-shit-up-as-you-type" stuff.

 

I'm sorry Empnova, I did read your first post on the thread but I did not checkout any of the links you posted at the beginning. I found the link at the Lost thread over at SRK.

I'm pretty sure this wasn't posted. (also found at SRK)

 

Fantastic mashup. Shag made me giggle.

 

here, take this compliment. IN YOUR FACE!!!!

 

I love being INTENTIONAL!

 

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/05/someone-from-bad-robots-take-on-finale.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Update: 26th May I've spoken to ABC and they have confirmed that this person did use to work for ABC as an Intern but were released 3 years ago.</div></div>
lol