Martial arts styles

What we really need, is a martial art that uses guns as an extension of the art. Just like Kung Fu uses weapons, the pistol could be part of a martial art. That way, you're covered, and you can use both martial arts and firearms to kick anyone's ass who trys to take your hard earned cash.

Actually... that sounds really dumb... oh well /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

Oh dear,

Ses, how old are you man? Again, no diss, just curiosity. I'm 24, btw.

As I said before, while I find your passion for the martial arts commendable, the moment I start believing in this ultra-super-hardcore-efficiency of Kung-Fu is the day I see a practicioner kick some ass in the MMA scene. Until that day I'll stick with the Wanderlei approach to things: Some grappling, good take down defense and a whole lot of aggressive stand up maiming.

Please, spare me the "but-those-competitions-have-rules-if there-were-no-rules-the-kung-fu-dude-would-kill-em-all" stuff. If there were no rules, they'd all pack some serious hardware and blow the ring/cage to oblivion.

Also, please do check up on your history before writing about the samurai beating soldiers with guns. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Agios, what knife fighting style did you train?

KTall, have you seen "Equilibrium"? I think it may have bombed in the US but the fightscenes looked pretty nice and they incorporated the stuff you mention. If you haven't seen it catch it on dvd, it's a good laugh.

SCS

PS:

Quote: MA is a good thing. VF is a great game. Enjoy MA. Enjoy VF. We can agree on that.

Amen.

 

Yea... unfortunately most MA mixed with gunplay is considered 'movie magic' when it actually, theoretically, could be a real martial art. Perhaps government spys/assassins (which still exist, mind you) are trained in such a way with a military fighting style making full use of firearms...

 

I'm 16.
By the way, try reading my posts entirely. True kung-fu practicioners don't go to contests because of their beliefs, and not because of the rules.

Do ME a favor, and spare the lame comments.
One more thing, what has age got to do with this?
I've fought lots of times in my life and half those times my opponnents were using weapons. I'm not going to repeat myself again with another story of my life..
I think you guys had enough of that, and I've had it too. If you still believe firearms are that great, then ok. Stick to them for the rest of your life. I've seen so many opportunaties where people could've saved their lives, their money and other people's lives if they had just a little bit of kung-fu. Whether in dexterity, gymnastics, will, concentration...It's useful for everything if well taught (and well learned).

 

ummm thats what the Grammaton Cleric uses in Equilibrium /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

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I've seen so many opportunaties where people could've saved their lives, their money and other people's lives if they had just a little bit of kung-fu.

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Just my two cents...that all depends on the circumstances and who you're up against. Not everybody who pulls a gun will hesitate...some people commit crime because they're at the end of their road, and desperation can do alot to the mind. A knife-fight, I understand, you're chances are much greater.

A friend of one of my highschool teachers was shot dead when he tried to disarm his attacker. When someone has their mind set on it, pulling a trigger takes much less time than to bring your hand up to theirs to disarm them. And why risk your life when credit cards can be cancelled, cars can be found (or replaced), and house keys can be seperated from car keys (you should do that just in case, so they won't have your house keys)? What's the point in defending your car, when if against the wrong person, the only place you're going to is the grave?

Martial arts are wonderful...I love them to death. But the biggest problem comes when someone over-estimates their abilities. Sure, most attackers are hesitant to shoot and would even run away if confronted harshly. But the more times you take that bet, the more likely you'll run into the one who isn't playing around.

 

Ses,

which of my comments was lame?
I thought that, overall, my points were pretty sound.

Anyway, I realise that I am about as likely to change your opinions as you are to change mine, so let's just leave it at that.

Train (M)MA.
Play VF.
Life is good.

SCS

 

The high ground does NOT nessisairly mean you have won the fight in a hand to hand confrontation.
Also, to those taking away from BJJ, there is a reason it has been intergrated into the Army AND Marines hand to hand combat courses.

 

Come to south east d.c, see how far you get.
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Guns are a part of martial arts. Fucking deal with it. Guns are just as natural as swords, bow and arrow, ninja stars, and any of that crap. I personally do not like guns, but if I knew I was going to be in a shitty part of d.c, nyc, or whatever, I definatly rather be packing heat. Bruce lee said it best in the 70s, a time when street violence was not as prevalent as it was today; "nowadays, nobody goes around punching and kicking you. They pull out a gun and BANG! Thats it, I don't care how good of a martial artist you are." If you are a serious martial artist, you should include full contact sparring and gun training, that is, of course, if self preservation is your primairy reason for practicing the arts.
On BJJ in Pride and UFC - if you notice, most martial artists, at these high levels, know both grappling and striking, but hell, even look at the last Pride (Pride: total elimination), aside from Sakuraba and Igor getting laid on their asses, almost ALL the fights went to the ground, back up, and down again. BUt all the fights eventually went to the ground. If I am going to study ground fighting, I will study from arts that specialize in that and then intergrate that into my arsenal of kick-assness.
On weapon disarming:
Krav-maga, Israel's martial art which is one of the few arts that is tested daily, first preaches to do what your attacker tells you to do. Disarming someone with a gun or knife (esp a knife!!!), can be extremely dangerous. Think your hot shit, try this: using a dummy knife, line the cutting edge with colored chalk, a wet dye, or whatever. Go through your disarming motions and whatnot and see how cut you get. This is a waste of time, of course, if your just doing step by step crap. A knife fighter with any sort of experince is going to be swinging at you all the time. For this reason, the army and marines teach that you should try and parry with the meaty part of your forearm or try and get the knife "stuck" in it and then take your opponent out. Its better to accept the non-lethal would and kill the guy then getting into a little mexican maiting dance with him/her.

 

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For this reason, the army and marines teach that you should try and parry with the meaty part of your forearm or try and get the knife "stuck" in it and then take your opponent out.

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NICE!!! Next time I'm in a knifefight I'll have to remember this.

 

Its all about the final word. Your more likely to get turned into confettie trying to do your mexican dance than to just accept a blow and give a worse one back.

 

I completely agree, practicality usually wins rather than that fancy shit they are always showing on the screen. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

That's why TKD usually never fairs well against other martial arts. Just my opinion. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

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I never fought a guy with a knife. I did a demonstration in school 2 years ago because people asked me.

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I hardly fight someone. I don't like punching and kicking. I mostly grab, throw, cut (with their knives) and I never shot (with their pistols).

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You can do a quick move to take their gun out because they won't shoot in the next 2 seconds.

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Get a really good kung-fu practicioner and you won't even be able to aim a gun at him unless you're wielding a machine gun (or maybe a bazooka). Same thing applies to knives.

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The gracies Ju Jitsu sucks big time. My opinion.

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PS: Any wushu pro can kick 10 guys butts in no time. Yes it's hard, but it's more than possible: It's TRUE.

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You guys have a lot to learn about reality. Someday, if you beat someone holding a knife or a gun, you'll understand that everything's possible as long as you believe it.

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I've seen so many opportunaties where people could've saved their lives, their money and other people's lives if they had just a little bit of kung-fu.

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people who practices Martial arts by will have high probablities of having self security issues. Now this thread obviously started by a tard has attacted just about every tard on vfdc...
Sesshoumaru_Sama join the ranks of vale tudo. welcome to vfdc fuckards.

 

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Shang said:

people who practices Martial arts by will have high probablities of having self security issues. Now this thread obviously started by a tard has attacted just about every tard on vfdc...
Sesshoumaru_Sama join the ranks of vale tudo. welcome to vfdc fuckards.

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Are you making fun of me, hum are you? I don't have any security issues or do I? Anyways, I'll kick anyones ass with my Dragon Punch if they dare hurt my sensitive feels. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

Is that a challenge, bitch?

 

Hey Drunken Old Man, Look at who I am quoting and responding to? /versus/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Hell, I would still take you on for the fun of it, hehehe.

By the way are you coming up to NYC next weekend?

 

Thread BUMP..

I hold Ea Dans in Shim Shin Do and it's parent martial art Choi Kwang Do.
Was the head instructor for a school based in Largo, FL for awhile.

While I did that, I took part in and/or sparred against practicitioners from several other arts to become familiar with tactics (Tae Kwon Do, Uechi Ryu Karate, Muy Thai, Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Judo, amateur wrestling, western boxing, and an assortment of kung fu styles...even a bit of Capeoria).
No ranking in any of those of course.

But participating in things outside my own art gave me a real appreciation for martial arts in general....and to respect the various styles and their practitioners.

But back to the original point of this thread, there are no shim shin do or choi kwang do fighters in VF, however, many of Jeffry McWild's strikes are very similar strikes and hits used in SSD and CKD.

 

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