Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

Discussion in 'General' started by Tsobanian, May 10, 2003.

  1. Tsobanian

    Tsobanian Well-Known Member

  2. Tsobanian

    Tsobanian Well-Known Member

  3. DissMaster

    DissMaster Well-Known Member

    Kojima needs to settle on making either bad movies or mediocre games.
     
  4. KS_Vanessa

    KS_Vanessa Well-Known Member

    I AGREE!!!!!

    and no more philosophical crap. U dont see SAS commandos debating on how society shud be when hes about to execute a bad guy do you?
     
  5. Tsobanian

    Tsobanian Well-Known Member

    I've seen the JP version of the trailor and I'd say that the game rules! I don't have a problem about Kojima's & Fukushima's dialogues!
     
  6. KS_Vanessa

    KS_Vanessa Well-Known Member

    yea and i thought the trailer for aliens vs predator looked good but the film was utter tripe.............
     
  7. Vith_Dos

    Vith_Dos Well-Known Member

    MGS , mediocre? I'm not the biggest fan of the series but I must say they are definitely in the extraordinary realm of video gaming. MGS Sons of Liberty was a well writen and directed game. Good plot as far as the eye can see. What was wrong with it?
     
  8. Oioron

    Oioron Well-Known Member Gold Supporter

    MGS2's problem was that there were so many subplots. But, I enjoyed it nonetheless.
     
  9. DissMaster

    DissMaster Well-Known Member

    HATER ALERT!!!!!!!!

    Well hey, there's no accounting for tastes as they say. A lot of people like the game. I am not one of those people though, for a few reasons.

    First of all, I think 3-D, third person shooters are really hard to get right. Aiming at an object with a shifting camera is not so super difficult, but it isn't that kinetically fun either.

    Second, it's been a while since I played the game, so I can't be very specific here, but I remember being annoyed a lot by the gameplay. Sorry I can't be more specific here.

    Third, the characters. Playing as Captain Stiffy, er, Solid Snake is bad enough. He looks like a broke-ass MacGuyver playing GI Joe. As if that wasn't bad enough, we spend most of the game controlling that ladyboy whose name escapes me. I mean, I got no beef with our transgender brothers and sisters, but I ain't feelin' em in the games (you hear that Square?). It ruins the tough guy, ass kickin' atmosphere. Where do they come up with these guys? Do game designers constantly tell character designers "No that's not good enough! That will never sell! Make him girlier or you're fired!"

    Finally, the story. They completely lost me. Was it a all a dream or was it all the inside of a computer or some shit? I don't remember. I lost track (or interest). I recall that it was suppossed to be like, Whoa! It's the ultimate mindfuck dude, but I remember thinking that it was fucking retarded and by the end of it all I didn't give a shit if Cpt. Stiffy and his boyfriend both got reamed to death by Metal Gear Rex. I just wanted it to be over.

    (By the way, I am exaggerating my dislike of the game for comic effect)
     
  10. Vith_Dos

    Vith_Dos Well-Known Member

    MGS3

    Well, as with all these sort of debates it all comes down to prefferance. I think the aiming camera was perfect on MGS. You have both third person AND first person options in the game so I dont see the prob there.

    Snake has always been sort of cliche character, no argument there. I don't see it really detracting from the game, and then there is Raiden, who at no point during the game acts like a girl (other than the whole wig thing hihi) and everyone hates on him cuz they think he's soft. I would prefer either of these characters over characters with no personality at all (eg Sam Fisher / any other knock off MGS)

    Lastly, I really enjoyed the plot to MGS. Its really reminiscent of how the government fucks with the public here in the good ole USA.

    Once more it comes down to prefferance and your experience with the game. obviously, but MGS SoL was far from Mediocre.
     
  11. Oioron

    Oioron Well-Known Member Gold Supporter

    Re: MGS3

    Compared to MGS1, I can see why MGS2 would be considered mediocre. The 1st one, IMHO, had the right balance of gameplay and story. I've read interviews of Kojima that it was his intention to make MGS2 with a much more focus on storytelling.

    From all the previews and additions they added to Snake Eater that I've seen, it looks like there will a much balance of gameplay and story.

    On the "girly" character designs, the definition of male beauty in most Asian countries are of mostly clean looking, as oppose to badass, un-shaven, and "rebel without cause" look that most Westerners adore.
     
  12. KS_Vanessa

    KS_Vanessa Well-Known Member

    Re: MGS3

    '*GASPS*'
    'u dont mean the lalilulelo!?'

    WTF?
     
  13. Mr. Bungle

    Mr. Bungle Well-Known Member

    Re: MGS3

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    On the "girly" character designs, the definition of male beauty in most Asian countries are of mostly clean looking, as oppose to badass, un-shaven, and "rebel without cause" look that most Westerners adore.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    i think for most westerners this has nothing to do with "beauty" per se, but masculinity.
     
  14. Chill

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    Re: MGS3

    [ QUOTE ]
    '*GASPS*'
    'u dont mean the lalilulelo!?'

    WTF?

    [/ QUOTE ]
    Didn't you play MGS2?
     
  15. DissMaster

    DissMaster Well-Known Member

    Re: MGS3

    Right, I wasn't trying to say that I want more beautiful characters or a character that I will find more adorable. I am just saying that if a character is suppossed to be partial to ass-kicking, he shouldn't look like a castrati in spandex.

    Raiden looks like a tremendous pussy. I don't demand a more handsome character. I'm not saying I want a game character to look like a walking testicle or a body-builder or something. I just don't see why they can't make him look like a normal dude, Instead of a more effeminate Ambercrombie Finch model.
     
  16. Tsobanian

    Tsobanian Well-Known Member

    Re: MGS3

    new MGS3 wallpaper
    http://www.konamijpn.com/products/download_index_e.html

    Also MGS3 story theory:
    The game consists of 2 chapters
    1. Halo / Virtuous Chapter ((VR) Mayor Tom)
    2. Blackbird / Snake Eater Chapter (Mayor Zero)

    Halo / Virtuous Chapter.
    Mission to retrieve Sokolov & escape in the Fulton Surface to Air
    Snake flies in by MC 130 Combat Talon and does a Halo Jump into Tselinoyarsk, landing lossing his backpack you go back to the tree to retrieve your gear, now able to proceed , Snake sneakes / shoots (players decision) to get to Sokolov in the Abandoned factory, after a discussion with Sokolov about Volgens men, Snake leads Sokolov out only to be confronted by the GRU, they Ocelot shows up and takes out the men followed by Snake taking out the his fellow Ocelots.
    Regrouping with Sokolov who is hiding they make their way back to the Escape point, on the way Sokolov points out his creation resting on a nearby mountain.
    Crossing the bridge Snake sees a figure in the mist and stops, it was The Boss! asking why she had defected she explains The End asked her to. In the battle that followed Snake falls from the Bridge gripping her bandana.
    Recaptured Sokolov is taken by Thunderbolt as they board a Hind.
    Snake watches on as they fly off followed by 5 more Hinds carrying the Metal Gear.
    Thunderbolt uses one of the "Gifts" to nuke the OBK 754 nuclear research facilty.
    Snake manages to escape by using the Fulton and is picked up by the Combat Talon.

    Talk between President Johnson & Khrushchev
    (Snake is believed to responsible for the Nuclear explosion and So Khrushchev orders The Cobra's to find him)

    Blackbird / Snake Eater Chapter
    Snake mission is to find and destroy Metal Gear & Kill Thunderbolts men
    Snake returns to Russia in a Blackbird onboard a pod on the top, chased by 2 Russian MIG's who are now on high alert to intruders into Russian airspace.
    Snake lands but this time he has no gear but is wearing a Skull Paint (This is because many believed he died in the Nuclear explosion.)
    looking for his pod he finds The Boss waiting nearby... Now in new gear, she destroys the Pod and takes off by Horse but not before telling Snake were to find Sokolov. Snake is telepathically contacted by The Sorrow

    #
    These can be in any order....
    Snake finds Sokolov again but is nothing more than bate!
    Sokolov is killed by The Pain
    Snake is captured by Thunderbolts men and prisoned with Johhny as your guard, while Ocelot tortures you
    Meeting with EVA
    Battle with Ocelot
    Battles with The End, Fear and Pain
    #

    Reaching the docks, snake sneaks into a door that holds a corridor / area that is built underground

    # Something may happen here #

    Using a ladder Snake finally reaches the hanger were Metal Gear is housed.
    Managing to get inside Snake places the explosives on the Mech, a intercom announces explosives have been found! In Snakes escape, he is found by Ocelot, he challenges him to one last duel, after a set time, EVA appears and you escape in the side car of her bike.
    Realising your escaping Ocelot and soldiers Persue, managing to escape, you are relieved only to find that now Metal Gear is after you! being piloted by Thunderbolt.
    As they are being pursued Snake tries to destroy it with bursts of Rockets, EVA has gotten for you.
    With the Metal Gear Destroyed they are caught up in the explosion and Snake is knocked unconcious, awakening Snake finds himself infront of Volgen, saying he wanted to beat you up and that if you fought back he would kill EVA! as a final blow Volgen tells Snake that he Had killed The Boss for betraying him.
    After being beat up, Snake finds out that EVA has escaped, (Via Radio) relising he is safe to fight he takes Volgen to pieces and kills him, but not without lossing an eye.
    Snake stands on a hill relieved thats its finally over.

    Picked up by F.O.X with EVA, Snake tells Major Zero that The Boss didn't make it.

    In an award ceramony that follows Snake is awarded the codename "Big Boss".

    The End....... Except their will be talk between probably"The Patriots!"
     
  17. Liquid_MAX

    Liquid_MAX Well-Known Member

    [ QUOTE ]
    kingsouther said:

    I AGREE!!!!!

    and no more philosophical crap. U dont see SAS commandos debating on how society shud be when hes about to execute a bad guy do you?

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Perhaps. But these guys are the elite. They're puppets who are almoston the verge of being puppet masters. Big Boss we know wants to become a puppet master. And the Snake clones are insecure enough to constantly ponder on their own existence.
     
  18. Tsobanian

    Tsobanian Well-Known Member

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    Tsobanian Well-Known Member

  20. KS_Vanessa

    KS_Vanessa Well-Known Member

    DONT READ! MGS3 SPOILERS BIG TIME

    why the hell did you just spoil the story?

    fucking retard...........................

    to everyone dont read kannas post.! all major spoiler man.........
     

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