New VF4 clip uploaded.

Re: Akira playing like a retard:

He seems more competent than he is by the fact that he had enough dexterity to do combos and SPoDs. His dazzling ura got him whacked, and he got nailed three times by mid attacks while attempting obvious low punches. As for the DLC, I don't think the DLC would have pushed the opponent over, but then, as you pointed out, he needed the first kick to connect to make it a possibility. So wtf did he backdash and whiff it for? The bodycheck wouldn't have even come out if that elbow had been a quarter inch back, and akira would be dead. Anyway, to keep it short, he was one of those guys who has a set list of good tricks and combos, and he just tosses them out a bit spastically. Trying to kill the opponent with rapid fire low punches and an unlikely RO trick reeks of desperation..he didn't show much yomi other than one d/f+PG throw when sarah guarded. So that's the basis of my opinion.
To prevent this from dragging out - it's just my opinion, it could be wrong, and I dun wanna talk about it any more. Like you said before, nobody gave any awe-inspiring performances..


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ha wtf! I thought I was the only one who'd watched that.
I like the portraits, they beat the hell out of VF3's. It's neat to see that 3D has come so far that a well posed 3D portrait looks like good 2D artistry.


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Hmm..awe inspiring preformances...I really would think it might take at least a year or two with the final version out before we can really look at a video and say "that was amazing" or "wow, that guy sucked" or knew what he was doing.

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just a few comments...

I also don't think this Akira was too bad; while certainly not great either. Seems like maybe he was suffering from tournament choke-itis. My personal favorite aliment.

The thing that glared out at me was that in the first round, he was having good results sticking out teh b,f+p, but BOTH times failed to follow it up with anything! DJK, DLC, Fujin, SDE, BC, p-b,f+P+K... nothing. Why...

Also looks like Sarah ESCAPED his PIT-DE. Didn't know that was possible. I'm guessing he used it since good players can probably guard the RBC by now.

In the final, you can also use a Dbl Pm or BC to cross a downed oppt after a d/f+P+G, but they'll never get up the wrong way. All I was evera able to do was scoot forward a little more then TT sweep. Did you guys know that now a CD with your back turned will give you a special small CD that also turns you around? I think there's a way to do it standing, too. Yeah, he's using d/f+P+K+G (P)to go over.

Notice how the counter ShRm takes about as much as the DLC?

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The thing that glared out at me was that in the first round, he was having good results sticking out teh b,f+p, but BOTH times failed to follow it up with anything! DJK, DLC, Fujin, SDE, BC, p-b,f+P+K... nothing. Why...

He thought the Sarah player would QR/TR?

 

You can't ukemi from feet up until you get put back in the air and come down again... that's why it's strange.

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Did they change Sarah's portrait from the test versions? It looks like her P1 blue catsuit. And while I'm at it, do all characters have different shots for different costumes. E.g. Lion, or are there still costume and colour palette swaps like Pai and Lau? Anyway, this new Sarah one makes her look very lost and dreamy... I like it. Probably means she has been brainwashed again - explain why she is wearing her '93 / '94 fashion again. And... anyone knows about the VF4 storyline?

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Re: Creed and Brian

Well, I am waiting for class to begin so to pass the time I watched the clip again...

As for the DLC, I don't think the DLC would have pushed the opponent over, but then, as you pointed out, he needed the first kick to connect to make it a possibility. So wtf did he backdash and whiff it for?

He backdashed in anticipation of Sarah rising with a kick (she didn't). The backdash would have caused a rising kick to whiff, giving the Akira the guaranteed hit.

To his credit, he did forward dash again before attempting the DLC R.O., but unfortunately for Akira, the Sarah player backdashed as well, causing the d/f+K+G to whiff. The Akira player's mistake is that he went for the DLC anyway, miscalculating distance.

Anyway, to keep it short, he was one of those guys who has a set list of good tricks and combos, and he just tosses them out a bit spastically. Trying to kill the opponent with rapid fire low punches and an unlikely RO trick reeks of desperation..he didn't show much yomi other than one d/f+PG throw when sarah guarded. So that's the basis of my opinion.

I'm not sure about the yomi thing, but I didn't get the impression the Akira player did a lot of low punches. I actually had the impression that the Sarah player attempted more.

BTW, does anyone know what that move is that he does? It's where he extends both arms at 45 degree and 135 degree angles? Is that his reversal? I noticed he went for it twice after seeing the Sarah player whiff her low punch.

To prevent this from dragging out - it's just my opinion, it could be wrong, and I dun wanna talk about it any more.

To be honest, I prefer talking about this type of stuff--gameplay material--rather than forum etiquette, but that's just me.

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Brian, you're right. I noticed this after reading your post on my third run through the clip. The Akira player actually dashed forward after the b,f+P--maybe he was trying something but nerves got in the way? Or maybe he wanted to do something else aside from the standing palm altogether and thus failed to follow-up?

 

Re: Creed and Brian

BTW, does anyone know what that move is that he does? It's where he extends both arms at 45 degree and 135 degree angles? Is that his reversal? I noticed he went for it twice after seeing the Sarah player whiff her low punch.

Mentioned this in a previous post. That's the b+P+K+G inashi (deflects high P, high K, low P). Used to be b,f,f+P+K+G. Opponent gets a special stagger animation if low P is deflected (can follow up with SPoD). Unsure if you can SPoD a deflected high P or high K, as the deflection animation is noticeably shorter. When followed up with the f+P canned combo, nets you the k.d. animation.

You can't ukemi from feet up until you get put back in the air and come down again... that's why it's strange

I was wondering why he didn't go for the Fujin combo. But hey, everything's easy to do theoretically, but in a competition... =)

 

Re: Creed and Brian

for dorks that like that kind of stuff, Akira's new b+P+K+G move, which technically a "sabaki" (like Sarah's low P sabaki from flamingo) is called TsuTenHou. Basically, you should use it like a combo-reversal, I guess is what you'd call it.

Someone else pointed out (think it was Creed) that Akira used almost no reversals. I was also suprised about that; at Kanispo reversals were about the only thing I COULD do at times. Espescially since you can now reverse high and mid with d/b+P+K, catching high p's and k's, elbows, middle kicks, knees, middle punches, flip kicks etc. with one easy command.

I'm also suprised that ShRm P DJK whiffed the last hit, that combo's pretty much a no-brainer on all characters. Maybe they changed it at version B... not sure I tried it then. But usually against lightweights, I could do 2 p's than DJK.

I'm curious about the info that SDE is now throw counterable... where is that info coming from? I'm not doubting it, but I'd like to know if that means we're now also succeptable to PK, knees, etc. VF3 style.

I still think this guy was just a little nervous... but following b,f+P is really staple at VF4. Anyway, whatever. Anyone else out there choke at tournaments? I know I have!

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Re: Creed and Brian

for dorks that like that kind of stuff, Akira's new b+P+K+G move, which technically a "sabaki" (like Sarah's low P sabaki from flamingo) is called TsuTenHou. Basically, you should use it like a combo-reversal, I guess is what you'd call it.

So... the "sabaki" is different from the "inashi" in that the sabaki "eats" up the opponent's move with a DJ scratch sound, vs an inashi like Pai's VF4 f+P+K?

BTW, one of my VF buddies (Jemin) and I refer to Akira's moves by their Chinese names /versus/images/icons/smile.gif. He's actually given me a lot of background information about BaJiQuan (or Hakkyokuken)... interesting stuff. I might go check out a video or two of BaJiQuan practitioners in action...


Espescially since you can now reverse high and mid with d/b+P+K, catching high p's and k's, elbows, middle kicks, knees, middle punches, flip kicks etc. with one easy command.

I thought db+P+K only reverses mid attacks now? e.g. it reverses single palm (which used to require a high reversal), but not standing palm.


I'm curious about the info that SDE is now throw counterable... where is that info coming from? I'm not doubting it, but I'd like to know if that means we're now also succeptable to PK, knees, etc. VF3 style.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.joy.hi-ho.ne.jp/d13492/jackykaeshi.htm>http://www.joy.hi-ho.ne.jp/d13492/jackykaeshi.htm</A>. Author seems unsure of throw counter "guaranteedness", though.

 

Re: Creed and Brian

Heh heh, thanks for the clarification guys, Akira's sabaki sounds great!

It's difficult to read about new moves without being able to visualize them...argh! Need...some...VF...4........

 

Re: Creed and Brian

TsuTenHou sounds like a really effective alternative to reversals. I believe FeixaQ pointed out that if it inashi'd low punches, a spod followup was possible. What could you use to follow the high P and low P inashi? b, f+P sounds like the cure-all combo starter.
And on the subject of reversals, I've noticed that they're not being used at all. I'm basing this on the tourney clips. It seems that it is now easier to reverse attacks. It's almost like it's being encouraged now, with flipkicks being reversed with db+P+K, more characters now being able to reverse attacks, and stances that automatically reverse. When you played in Japan, were reversals a regular thing, or was it more of the poking, agressive type of play in the clips?

Anyone else out there choke at tournaments?

I never choke at tournaments!!/versus/images/icons/wink.gif Yeah, right....


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did you know that jacky and sarah's style is "JEET-KUN-DO!?|"

that's BRUCE LEE'S STYLE!! but it looks nothing like it

 

Well Jeet has no defined look it is an open style more a philosophy than a martial skill. Yes everyone here knows that.

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