Newer Lion player with problems!

If I get someone with a heavy crumple or side crumple (say from the sidestep kick attack, or maybe a 66+P) what would you all recommend as a good follow up for maximum damage/juggle?

I've seen videos n stuff where when they're that crumpled, you can usually end up getting off like 2-5 hits that they can't avoid. I usually panic and just do 1 not so great hit that doesn't juggle em.

 

Check Lion's wiki combo page:
http://virtuafighter.com/wiki/doku.php?id=vf5:lion:combos

 

After a couple weeks I've come to the conclusion that Lion is a piece of garbage. He can't compete against any of the real characters, even when the other player has only moderate skill. He's a piece of trash with absolutely no solid mid-hit game, or throw game (you have to be on the person's nut-sack to throw them) and he's basically worthless. Anyone who plays as him is deluding themselves as any scrub who plays as a more well-equipped character can mop the floor with Lion. It's a shame he is such trash. Oh well

 

Wow. That was the most ignorant statement I have ever heard. There's a reason Chibita wins tournaments with Lion. He's a great charater. The unfortunate thing is that you have to work hard to play him.

I feel no remorse saying I hope you don't return here.

 

or you just suck at playing him.

 

You muppet, had you not heard that VF is totally balanced to such a fine degree? Characters play differently and have different strengths and weaknesses. muppet.

 

lol It's been awhile since i've heard such a stupid ass comment. Good job Slayerfaith you get the dumbass of the year award. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

Oh c'mon! Like none of you have gotten drunk before and reacted on emotion before!

That being said: It is much more difficult to play as Lion as opposed to other characters. My main complaints still stand (wishing he had more strings with mids/better counters/etc.) But that being said he does have his advantages.

Sometimes it's just trying...ya know?

 

I think I played your Lion a few times tonight, and if my memory is correct, it was actually quite good.

I think I agree that at mid levels of play, we have to work harder against some pretty annoying people out there. Let's face it, instead of all the work we've put into learning Lion, we could be playing very-difficult to beat Lei Feis, Vanessas, Gohs, just about anyone else, on xbox Live.

But where's the fun in that really? I can't say I'm particularly impressed by the dozens of mediocre Lei Feis or Vanessas or even Akiras that happen to give me a difficult time sometimes. I thought your Lion was pretty fun, and that's pretty much all there is to it for me.

Best regards,

-Jason

 

Truth is, Lion is a chess player's character in high level play. Most of the game is getting in your opponent's head, whereas with other characters you can be more reactionary and linear.

Anyone get what I mean when I could compare Akira to Japanese kendo and Lion to the Chinese martial arts? He just requires more finesse than anyone else.

 

check out chibita vids on youtube

 

Thanks I took a week or so off but you mighta played me (same gamertag as my SN here). Yea I mean I know I don't totally bite or whatever, but your frustration is the same as mine I think (where mediocre "easier" characters give you a lot of difficulty sometimes). I guess it's just the bane of being a Lion player (were you a Lion player? lol). Whats your gamertag? Wouldnt mind added you to play/practice more


As for "getting in peoples head" i just have a lot of difficulty doing that for the primary reason that it's hard to get into their head when they keep pressure on you and your options are limited. I mean i know you can do 44K then P+K to punish advancing opponents and whiffs to do a combo, but the kick is high, and really I have found SO many high attacks nearly worthless in this game amongst ALL characters just cuz so many people will low punch out of strings/attacks/you name it.

He has a solid low game no doubt, but it's just difficult for me to mix that up w/ a solid mid game besides 6+pp or 6+K or 3+K as he doesn't have many other mid starts (and the 6+K has NO follow up unless you go into his stance which I tend to get knocked out of 90% of the time)

 

Don't know where else to put this but is it possible to do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (which say is blocked low) then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif elbow without having his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif come out?

 

A common way to do that is to use:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

It's not as fast as I would like, but it's still a great way to punish sweeps and low attacks with big disadvantages on block.


-Chanchai

 

Interesting

Thanks

 

Just tried it out it seems like you have to do it at a medium pace (ie: not to quick otherwise you still get /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif)

EDIT: actually key to it I'm finding now is that you need to pause a little bit in neutral after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.