Next Gen consoles. What console looks promising?

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While it is nice to see microsoft realize they are not going to get away with unlimited amount of bullshit, I still see no reason to get these consoles.

I still can't quite fathom why they talked about those features as if they were something good.

 

Not just that, but if game discs are damaged, I need to rebuy it. My games library no longer goes where I go. The ability to sell digital games gone. All because of some conservative people.

 

People who think MS did this because they listened to fans outcry are sorely mistaken. There's been fan outcry about this since the first reveal but they steamrolled over it. But they just saw the pre-order numbers and got the sh*t scared out of them. They were planning to force through the backlash but unfortunately number don't lie.

Their brand has taken a real beating but I can predict that XBox fans will be back eating out of their hand again before too long. We've seen this all before with RROD. Microsoft heavily screws over their customer base and then turns around and says "sorry" and everybody's cool with that. Just wait for Xbox fans to come through saying sh*t like "at least they listened to us fans". Just like it was "at least they offered extended warranty". Well you know what? I would rather just not have a company try to screw me over at each turn than have them do that and then apologise for it afterwards.

But this is how MS operates and it's part of the pattern of behaviour which made me swear never to buy an MS console ever. The more I see of them in action, the stronger my commitment to that is.

That said, I am glad they dropped these policies and we are back to a healthy two-horse race. We need both Microsoft and Sony in this to keep each other honest (and Nintendo for LULZ ). If there had been no Sony, MS would have gotten away with this. Likewise if there was no MS, Sony might not be so keen to invest in online infrastructure.

Microsoft is back in the race now. They've still got some disadvantages in their corner like price, lower spec, Kinect, potential launch delays but that is nothing they can't bounce back from. Let's have another Console War to remember!

 

Exactly. No reason whatsoever. Of course the family sharing was probably brought in to sweeten the deal for the DRM. Maybe something they come up with after the initial reveal when they realised people weren't biting. If they were committed to those features they could still have them but of course they're not that keen on them now all of a sudden.

 

£40 a year is exactly the same amount as £40 a year, doesn't matter which console you prefer.

 

About these two...

On both consoles, purchases are tied to your account/console.

For Xbox 360 you can go on Xbox.com to transfer all your licenses. All you need is your consoles serial no. For save data etc. you need to do a hard drive transfer yeah, that can take a while.

EDIT: You can actually swap in your old HD to transfer saves, would still need to do a license transfer over on Xbox.com to make sure everything else goes over smoothly.

As for PS3, there's no actual way to transfer any of your licenses. As far as I know, once your console dies, your account and all its content/licenses go with it. Saves might transfer if you swap in your old HD but not much point to that when you've just lost all ownership of your digital purchases.

 

This is deeply incorrect. I guess you are talking about download titles only? These are linked to your account on PSN. Once you have purchased something it remains in your download list and you can download it to any machine up to a certain number of times. You account is not tied to your console. If you need to replace your console you just log into PSN for the new one and you have full access to your account. For some things like movie downloads you will need to deactive your old console and activate the new one via customer services but that is only for movies as far as I am aware.

 

Yes, digital purchases.

If any of that is true what you just posted then that means I could give anyone my login details for PSN and we could all share the games. I'll admit I don't know as much about the PS3 as I do the 360 but I doubt you can do that.

As far as I know you can only share games between two accounts on PSN (used to be more).

EDIT: Had a read around and I still have no idea how this works, some people are saying you have to use the account sharing as a workaround, others are saying you can sign into any console and redownload your stuff but there is a limit of 5 downloads per license.

5 download limit sounds a pain, I have a pretty small HD. Having to repurchase a game because I didn't have enough room to permanently keep it on my HD sounds :/

 

lol

 

I personally expect some of the stuff they talked about like DRM to come back at some point though just not now when they need to build a base of fans for Xbox 1. Progress has to be made prior to next gen to ease the blow the of what happens the next series of systems come and they are completely digital. I actually want to see real progress made but it should be an option the system has if people want to use it until the next gen of system beyond PS4 and Xbox 1 comes out. When the next set of systems release we will most likely be forced to move on unless smaller steps are made now with PS4 and Xbox 1. We should all be ready for this when it happens because we all know it will happen in the next 10 to 15 years or so.

 

Sadly Sony has never been entirely clear on this. However, speaking from personal experience, you can download way more than 5 times per purchase on your original console (I've had to reformat my PS3 HDD a number of times due to my roommates being dicks). However, downloading to any other console has a limit. But that limit can easily be circumvented by a quick call to customer service and having them do some fancy stuff on their end.

It is true you can game share simply by giving your account details to someone else and letting them go in and download at will from your download list.

There aren't that many restrictions on PSN, but the ones that are there are a bit of a pain to navigate at times...

So how is anything you stated not already available for digital downloaded games today (except for the selling games digitally)? Again, someone correct me if wrong, doesn't XBL allow you to log on from a different console and still access your digital games library?

 

Okay, so I found this:

https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/796/session/L3RpbWUvMTM3MTczNTkyNC9zaWQvcHcydThkdGw=

Basically it's not a download limit but a limit on the number of systems you can download to per account. So you could have two systems activated and download to these systems as many times as you want. But if you want to then download to a third system you would need to deactivate one and activate the new one.

So really you can share all your download content with one other person. Used to be five but they reduced it. I didn't even know this information to be honest...

 

As much as I love VF I am no slave to any game. I walked away from Tekken and I can walk away from VF just as easy. If VF went MS exclusive that would be the end of it for me. Of course, nothing stopping me from playing it on someone else's Xbox 180 in that case

 

I've got FS loaded onto 3 of my PS3's but i had to do something crafty to get it on the 3rd one and I can't go online with it or it will get deactivated. I only use them for offline sessions so its no biggie

 

My only concern is will they backpedal once more in the future after the Xbox One user base grows. What's to say they won't issue a forced update that would then put them back on their original path? I only see them changing their policies so this system is not dead on arrival.

MS was very adamant about the future they envisioned for Xbox One. They have 76 million XBL subscribers. Let's say all 76 million adapt to Xbox One and then they backpedal policies once again.

In all seriousness, how many of those 76 million subscribers do you think will cancel their subscriptions to XBL? Trust me whatever the number is it won't be enough to put a dent in MS's wallet. MS would be willing to take the hit because they know once you are connected the chances of you disconnecting is very slim. Most consumers will just throw their hands in the air and say "I can't win...", but will continue to play on.

For now I choose not to adapt to any of the next generation consoles until about a year or until I know where the next VF is going.

 

Are you talking about digital buys in general or why its been removed from the Xbox One? I think this is already in place with the PC market so it can be done.

All I'm pointing out is all that has been removed from Xbox One. I don't know the reasons and if I gave any, they'd be assumptions as I don't know if the choices were made because of technical constraints, feasibility or any other difficulties. Any one can take an educated guess, but that's all it will be, a guess.