Open/Closed Stance in Fighting Games

It's difficult to take you seriusly because this is not the first time that a newby comes here and complain that something is too complex and it should not be in the game. Last week they proposed taking moves out of the game...this week the foot stance. I am sure soon somebody will demand throws to be taken out... actually AM already did lol.

Short answer: VF System in PERFECT, it's just you don't get it.

 

Heh I'm certified to coach the stupid thing.

 

So Reno and L_A are newbies now? They were the ones who suggested taking moves out of the game. And nothing is perfect. It's hard for me take anyone seriously that has that line of thought. If the system is perfect, then they really should stop making new entries into the series with 5 and just keep adding characters.

 

LOL you are green aren't you?

Have you ever had a gorgeous GF that you got tired of ? people will get tired of stuff and seek new things, thats human nature. VF system in perfect as in "the best fighting system out there right now".

you never know, they might tighten the game up and actually make decent DOA game in the future...

 

Fixed that for you.

Also, if people making fun of you is upsetting, I'd suggest just letting this thread die a natural death instead of bumping it to the top of the Active Topics list.

 

Matt claiming VF5 is perfect was definitely the silliest part of this thread.

 

Erm Feck...the SYSTEM, not the game.

I like the throw-mid-evade system. I hate that I cannot do the same in other fighing games. I hate that I cannot crouch dash in other fighing game like in VF. I hate the way you are stuck to reversal in DOA or that you have to press 4 to guard in Tekken or that you do not swap foot position in SC. So to me the system is perfect.

Then if you say that the game itself could be improved that's another thing. I also want more customizations for example. And Jean!


And one thing can be said about 5: it was the first VF where the graphics matched the sheer lever of intensity of its combat.

 

I knew you was talking about the system Matt /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

well it's not battle raper, that's true. but then what is?

 

apart for battle raper 2 obiouvsly.

 

Don't forget EVO too Matt!

/me goes to play BR2

 

I fully support turning all of dapheenom's threads into conversations about the merits of Battle Raper

 

Actually, I'd just close this thread, leave the guy alone, and don't try to mock him. Leave him be.
Obviously he thinks foot position isn't important, someone else (apparently most peeps here) thinks it is. So what? No one's gonna change the other person's way of thinking... unless through my NEW MEGA BRAIN WAVES CHANGER ~230V. I'm still testing it though, so not now.

And dapheenom just don't get worked up like that and don't say anything about any martial arts exp. you might have. People just don't care. I know I don't. We are all black belts here... mostly in not giving a fuck. Cheers!

 

I actually am agreeing with Myke :x. The stance switch is something that happens a LOT if you watch boxing, mma, even wrestling. You throw a hard cross and you have to take a step to steady yourself, you blitz an opponent, you take a shot, etc. You might not bounce back and forth like a Taekwondo fight, but it happens a lot in combat.

 

I'm glad you understand my position instead of just bashing it. And you're right, the kung fu flavored theme doesn't put much emphasis on those kinds of things. When you look at my other suggestions, you'll notice I'd like to see a expanded catch/clinch throw game and ground fighting aspect, so you see where I'm coming from. We want different things, but I think you at least see my point.

I understand full well the purpose stance switching has on combos, however that it something that's harder to grab the attention than something like unique stages. If the developers wanted to add a variable to combos, I thought (and still think) that the variable that has the bigger selling point to casuals was the way to go. Remember, a good bit of my opinions come from the "help sell Virtua Fighter to casuals mindset" mixed in with some lamentation over the things we lost from VF3.

Either way, thank you for the respectful reply.

I have to disagree with you there, SD. I know you watch a lot of MMA, K-1 and boxing, just as I do. I went back and looked through a good bit of footage, and wasn't able to see anything like this, unless a guy got his foot caught or was pulled into a clinch. Even then, it might be one off-balance technique then right back to the guy's natural stance (be it southpaw or orthodox). I thought Buakaw, Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida (a couple of guys with some of the nicest unorthodox footwork) might fight more like the way you suggested, but I didn't see it there either. Guys switching stance, sure. But at the end of a technique? Not so much. Do you have any particular fight/video clip suggestions, or can you reference any fighters that do this?

(It's funny that you mention TKD, as I think that the way that Hwoarang handles is one of the few exceptions where I think Tekken does an aspect of actual fighting better than VF)

 

Shadowdean actually has MMA experience.

 

So I asked him for a particular fight for me to look at. I didn't tell him he didn't know shit. I'm allowing for the possibility that I'm wrong, I would just like to see for myself. And then you bring up his martial arts experience? Isn't that where the whole "Hahaha, dapheenom thinks he's a black belt" thing comes from (for wrestling and boxing, two commonplace school activities)?

Unbelievable.

 

Well at least theres discussion on these boards now.

Myke: youre right. But when I was writing what you quoted I wasnt entirely sure what dapheenom was after with his stance. So I wrote the explanation of what the word stance is usually used in reference to.

ps. Whether or not stance switching after a technique happens in RL is in my opinion irrelevant that it can't happen in VF. I have never had problems with believing that and I feel this whole issue is nitpicking.

I dont want too realistic game either. From game system point of view, a specific move to switch stance for all characters (like the one Jacky has, P+K+G) is not really useful due to time wasted switching stance. Thats why doing attacks that switch stance are used, and using them can be a tactical decision. Characters cant move freely in a fighting game, and are limited to the programmed moves. Jackys stance switch telegraphs pretty obviously. Attacks that switch stance people dont pay that much attention to.

 

It's not an attack on you, i'm just saying that he's basing his opinion not just from watching but fighting as well.

They do switch stances all the time in MMA, boxing, etc...the difference is that they always return to their default stance like you said. I think the main reason for this is that they're just more comfotable starting from that stance.

I don't see how will make VF more appealing by doing that.