Osama bin Laden Killed In Pakistan

Last month there were people gloating about the earthquake in Japan, now there are people gloating about killing bin laden. TBH its no surprise some people seem to enjoy when shit happens to others. that puts them and terrorist on the same level IMO. if you can be happy somebody got murdered, you need to watch spiderman 3 again, with particular attention to the part when aunt May shows her disapprovement towards Peter for gloating about the sandman's death. shit you learn from movies, not rocket science really.

 

That is why terrorism is a neverending cycle of revenge.

ps. Apparently around 1000 people gathered at ground zero an hour after president Obama's speech, celebrating. So apparently this had some meaning to the families who lost loved ones at 911.

 

His death is a moral victory for USA, even if the decentralized nature of his terrorist organization means that it will still be a threat to the world. It was important for America to basically show that if someone decidedness to declare war on the nation and spread terror through the world except to be assassinated.

As Clinton put it "you can not wait us out. . ." we will find you.

This is also a huge win for Obama's presidency and will most likely guarantee him the 2012 election.

 

Now that is deep.

However the first thing that came to mind when I heard this was this. Though I'm sure it's already been posted by now.

 

IMO, Celebrating the death of a man who murdered innocent people, is not in the same level as the terrorist. A lot of people lost love ones that day, let them have closure. And I know what you was trying to do with the Spider Man 3 line, but that's a movie, in real life people will show their emotions.

Someone posted a Dr. King quote, great man, but that quote doesn't applied to this situation..

 

Shinobi, I understand people's need for closure, and I try to understand the feelings of the victim's families that justice has been done.

 

Bust a cap in his ass? Yes - we can!
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Osama functioned as a figurehead and ideological leader. This is a moral victory if not a strategic one.

 

“'No land alternative' prompts bin Laden sea burial”

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.burial.at.sea/index.html?hpt=Sbin

 

Very poetic, words after my own heart actually. BUT.... here's the problem, Heaven is the ultimate reward for many religions from the middle east in fact 2 Corinthians says:


II Corinthians 5:6-8
"Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
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If you would like, I can show you countless other scriptures that talks about Heaven, GOD, the afterlife as being joy unspeakable, as being a bliss beyond all bliss, etc. etc.

Death is not bad thing for such believers because it puts them in the presence of God, which is glorious and more preferable than any other state or place. If you would like I can also show you many scriptures that talk about rejoicing beyond all measure once one gets to Heaven.

So my friend, "the death of one, not even an enemy" is really not the tragedy that your quote would have us all feel.

Many many religious zealots, fundamentalist extremists, bible thumping fanatics prefer death or life, and prefer to be in the presence of God again the scripture in 2nd Corinthians says:


" I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."[/size]

In Bin Laden's twisted mind he was a Martyr for Allah, and in his death he is vindicated before Allah, and will receive joy everlasting.

So, before you start talking about: "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" Just remember from Bin Laden's perspective he will be blessed by Allah because of what he did on 911 to the Infidels in America.

For the religious, especially the fanatically religious, and the zealots, death is to be celebrated, because its only through death can they be in the presence of Heaven and their God(s)you only find it disturbing because you don't know what death really means to them.

Ask the Saheed, or Suicide Bomber whether he or she has a problem with you jumping around and celebrating their demise.

Really, the problem is not war, violence, or revenge. The problem is that in the 21rst century even after man has left the confines of Earth that we still worship medieval gods, we still give credence to religious notions from thousands of years ago, we hold on to ancient Babylonian, and biblical bullshit, and we surrender our intelligence, logic, and reasoning over to religious ignorance and misguided faith, and in the name of our misguided faiths and ridiculous religious notions we murder each other, we declare fatwas, and gihads, and holy wars, my god is bigger your god, my god gave me that land therefore he will help me kill you to get it back. Its fuckin religion people! Ancient obsolete social technology that has long outlived its usefulness.

IF we want to make the world a better place, If we want to get to the next page in the human adventure, then, we need to immediately dispense, dispatch, cease and desist with

Chistianity (All Forms)
Judaism (All Forms)
Islam (All Forms)

And any other religion that places blind belief over reason, intelligence, logic, and knowledge.

Osama attacked us with Islam as his justification, Bush went after Osama with Christianity as his justification, The Jews supported the Americans with Judaism as there justificiation. All of it is religious , medieval bullshit.

In the 21rst century its simply a mark of not being civilized if you surrendered your intelligence, reasoning, and problem solving over to some ancient religious hocus pocus and deities from 2000 years ago. Religion & God are the problem. Love comes with logic, reasoning. Without reasoning there can be no love, but with faith there can be no reasoning, therefore faith and true love are incompatible.

I for one hope that Bin Laden get his 70 virgins and they all turn out to be male

 

will not read.

your posts are almost all noise, with little signification.

 

Why should the way people use a religion render it as something placing "blind belief over reason, intelligence, logic, and knowledge?"

I don't believe that the religion we call "Christianity" today is geniune Christianity. I think Catholicism and Protestantism are so influenced by paganism it's ridiculous. I'm offended at your inference on the intelligence of those practicing religion. How would you know if they're practicing "blind faith?"

 

You sound like one that's into Transhumanism, well minus the whole robot/cyborg portion...

Anyway, just because someone uses "religion" as a reason for bloodshed, doesn't mean that that person is right (or using it for the right purpose)... I mean just because you got somebody stabbing fools with a butter knife doesn't mean he's using it for its intended purpose...

The problem here is there are those who just view "religion" as just that-- a ritualistic lifestyle of standing up, sitting down, oms and whatever else that can be used to sway people to give in to someone else's carnal pleasures and greed... "Religion" in most aspects should really be viewed as a relationship between a man(woman) and his(her) God(s), something that when "truly" lived out (and not practiced here and there) ultimately molds that person into something better, not worse... It's not to be led by greed, lust, deceit, or anything of the like... I'ma stop there for now, 'cause if that's how you feel, that's how you feel... No stones thrown whatsoever... But I will say that with this:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IF we want to make the world a better place, If we want to get to the next page in the human adventure, then, we need to immediately dispense, dispatch, cease and desist with

Chistianity (All Forms)
Judaism (All Forms)
Islam (All Forms)
</div></div>

Upon reading this, you sound as if these are the only forms of "religion" that are causing mayhem only... Some cats don't realize that there are Hindus who kill, rape and slaughter Muslim believers in the same country they live in. There's Aum Shinrikyo and the gas attacks. Greece and Rome were polytheistic when they were merking cats left and right and taking over. There are terrorists who are atheists or agnostic... So making of "list of religions to remove from earth" won't fix anything... It's the people (more specifically the people's hearts) that need the changing.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Love comes with logic, reasoning. Without reasoning there can be no love, but with faith there can be no reasoning, therefore faith and true love are incompatible.</div></div>

I'm only talking about the love aspect of the quote...

It's been said that the one thing that makes us stand apart from animals is our ability to reason. How then can a dog show love and compassion without being able to reason??? Even further, how can babies show signs of love and affection within 4-9 months of existence???

 

If you have a bone to pick with 'faith' then don't go singling out specific traditions and shitting on them. There's no shortage of ideologies/worldviews/religions out there makes scientifically untestable or self-contradictory claims. You should keep yourself from making the same specious arguments that blame other ideas and instead blame the people using the ideas as an excuse to murder and oppress.

 

America Uber Alles!

Since the end of World War 2, US interventions have killed over 7,000,000 people around the world. The media and the educational system keep Americans blissfully ignorant about this holocaust that we have inflicted and continue to inflict upon various brown people across the globe. In Nicaragua alone our cocaine trafficking terrorist proxies - the Contras - killed 30,000 Nicaraguans back in the 1980's.

Goerge W. Bush himself has far more blood on his hands than bin Laden.

I have seen the evil empire and it us.

"They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today, my own government."

-Martin Luther King

 

Re: America Uber Alles!

Ive always thought that religious people are inherently crazy.

 

I look at it the same way you do, but my response also comes from the perspective of someone that deployed combat arms in the war on terror, and has lost comrades.

I personally haven't agreed with the war in the first place, but when someone like Bin Laden goes down, it at least gives a small piece of mind or relief to those that were lost directly or indirectly from his doings. If Bin Laden's demise has stopped at least a few other "terrorists" from committing acts, then his demise has to have surely been worth it.

Even on a conspiracy theory standpoint... or not, it is all a conundrum. And a conundrum is a huge part of what war is. And perspective plays a large part too.

War shouldn't happen in the first place, but it does. I'm with anyone in here that quotes peace, btw.

 

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