Osama bin Laden Killed In Pakistan

GodEater · May 16, 2011

masterpo said:

So are you justifying Osama, or just stating facts that happen to justify Osama
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Why can't he be critical of his own government without involving a known terrorist?

masterpo · May 16, 2011

GodEater said:

masterpo said:

So are you justifying Osama, or just stating facts that happen to justify Osama
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Why can't he be critical of his own government without involving a known terrorist?
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I just throw Osama's name in there because of the title of thread

Sharp7 · May 16, 2011

you guys know that osama isn't actually recognized by the FBI for 9/11 right? theres no hard evidence linking him to it
and he has apparently denied it, and attacking civilians isn't really his MO the tapes were probably fake:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

"The FBI confirmed in a recent statement (July 2006) that "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on the Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because "the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"-
-http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3246

And heres stuff on how the vids were prob fake. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...war-terror.html

To sum up that last link - Apparently the dude in tapes was shorter, fatter, had a differently shaped nose, different colored beard, different skin color, and was right handed Bin Laden, as noted on FBI page, is left handed.

He is still a terrorist though so its good that we caught him although dumping the body into the ocean, which although had legitimate reasoning, is still suspicious.

Either way, I don't see us catching bin laden as a win. Maybe if we did it BEFORE we spent a shitton of money, killed a shitton of civilians, ruined our own economy, and put TSA in airports (which actually doesn't even stop anything) it would be a win...

MarlyJay · May 16, 2011

Wasn't he top of the list BEFORE 9/11? Were the embassy bombings before?

Happy_Friend · May 16, 2011

masterpo said:

Whoaa! Happy_Friend Your post is scathing. It makes the US look more like the bad guy than Osama bin Laden and according to your post Osama bin Laden is small potatoes

I'm not going to challenge your facts. I would hope you're too smart to post propaganda.

But I would like to comment on:

"As it stands, no one should trust the government"

Its not like the U.S. government is imported from somewhere else.

We elect friends, family members, schoolmates to service on City councils, as Mayors, as secretary of state, as governors, as state representatives and state senators and judges. At least theoretically these are all people that come from our community, from our families, from our fraternities and sororities. Even the corporations that run the government[/size] are comprised of people in our neighborhoods, people we went to school with, uncle joe, etc. My point being, that in essence we are the government.
I personally know my state senators and house representatives, they are from schools that I went to. I know my mayor, we graduated from the same University. He's the kind of chap that will run for governor (get elected) and then run for president (and get elected) He shops at walmarts and eat's at McDonalds like the rest of us.

So if America is an Empire (and I'm not challenging that) then we are all responsible, because we are the government, we run for office, we vote for friends, family, schoolmates, favorite movie stars (e.g Arnold the terminator), Bono,etc, athletes, all kinds of people that we know are exposed to. If if the "empire policy" is something that is in place, since our government is not imported from somewhere else, we could change it if we really wanted to . Now the assertion tha politicians are controlled because they are bought off (I'm not necessarily challenging that either) is curious, considering who really makes up the U.S. government. Again its, our neighors, friends, family, schoolmates, military buddies, fellow football jocks.

So when you say "the government" you're talking about Americans in general because thats where the government comes from and who elects it

Either there is some horrible transformation that automatically happens, and happens without exception to everyone who gets into politics, or by nature Americans in general are predisposed to "the empire paradigm" and we are greedy, self serving imperialist parasites, or its not as black and white as your list of indictments of U.S. would have it.

Happy_Friend ordinarily when citizens criticize the U.S and talk about the ominous "the government" those people tend not to participate in their local and state politics and tend not to vote in local and state elections or be aware of the inner workings and transfer of power of local and state governments, and how that relates to the U.S. federal government. Thats why its easy for them to view the government as detatched from themselves.

In order for your basic premise to be true Americans would have
to support the objectives of the empire, which in a lot people's minds justifies Osama bin Laden and the other terrorist that would attack the evil American Empire.

So are you justifying Osama, or just stating facts that happen to justify Osama
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Yes, the crimes of the US National Security State dwarf bin Laden's crimes, even if we accept that he was behind 9/11, which is disputable. The Iraq War alone was several orders of magnitude worse than 9/11.

That is not an endorsement of OBL. One does not have to "pick one."

The Schoolhouse Rock rendering of American Democracy is not really appropriate. The system is corrupted; imperial interests have effective veto power over anyone who could get near the Presidency.

I also have known a congressman, met several more, and known many people who worked on different Senatorial and Congressional staffs. Many of these are good people, but the system at heart operates on a whole different level.

One should not think of "government" and the "National Security State" in the same way.

Here's someone who says it pretty well:

The Greatest Covert Operation...

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