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Terrorists

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Jihadists (at least the ones affiliated with al qaeda) Sunnis? Or did you mean Sharia - Islamic Law?

I also don't think that the terrorists' goal is to impose Islamic rule on the West, but to change the Middle East policies of Western governments- America in particular, but obviously Britain as well.

Londoners, my thoughts are with you.

 

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I think the proper term is fuckers. I think we've all been wrong in figuring who's on what side. This isn't the west vs terrorists or US/Britain vs Mideast or even Christianity/Judaism vs Islam. It's normal people trying to go about their daily lives vs fuckers. Fuckers who think holy war is golly jeez the bees knees. Fuckers with carbombs and smartbombs alike. Fuckers who believe any idea is more important than a baby's smile. More important than it feels when it's about to rain. More important than your life or my life or anyone's life. I'm so ready to torch the next Koran or American flag I see & I would sell my soul for 12 rounds with Bush or Bin Laden.

much love UK.

 

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I think the proper term is fuckers. I think we've all been wrong in figuring who's on what side. This isn't the west vs terrorists or US/Britain vs Mideast or even Christianity/Judaism vs Islam. It's normal people trying to go about their daily lives vs fuckers. Fuckers who think holy war is golly jeez the bees knees. Fuckers with carbombs and smartbombs alike. Fuckers who believe any idea is more important than a baby's smile. More important than it feels when it's about to rain. More important than your life or my life or anyone's life. I'm so ready to torch the next Koran or American flag I see & I would sell my soul for 12 rounds with Bush or Bin Laden.

much love UK.

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lots of romantic imagery itt

 

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I think the proper term is fuckers. I think we've all been wrong in figuring who's on what side. This isn't the west vs terrorists or US/Britain vs Mideast or even Christianity/Judaism vs Islam. It's normal people trying to go about their daily lives vs fuckers. Fuckers who think holy war is golly jeez the bees knees. Fuckers with carbombs and smartbombs alike. Fuckers who believe any idea is more important than a baby's smile. More important than it feels when it's about to rain. More important than your life or my life or anyone's life. I'm so ready to torch the next Koran or American flag I see & I would sell my soul for 12 rounds with Bush or Bin Laden.

much love UK.

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an interesting monologue.

thing is it still isnt clear who was behind this. i always suspected those anarchists.

 

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oops, double post...see below

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Jihadists (at least the ones affiliated with al qaeda) Sunnis? Or did you mean Sharia - Islamic Law?

I also don't think that the terrorists' goal is to impose Islamic rule on the West, but to change the Middle East policies of Western governments- America in particular, but obviously Britain as well.

Londoners, my thoughts are with you.

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Yes, I mean Islamic law. Appologies if I missled anyone with that incorrect spelling.

SgRamrod, I believe you are wrong if you think political change motivates these fanatical thugs. They use the tense political situation in the middle east as a recruiting tool, granted, but they are entirely driven by extreme religious ideals.

They absolutely DO want to impose Islamic law on the whole of the Western world. They basically want to do what Christians did thousands of years ago during the crusades, when there was no freedom of religious expression.

Even if tomorrow the whole of Palestine were suddenly liberated from Israel and Iraq returned to Saddam Hussein, these groups would still be highly motivated to topple the West because they hate our way of life. They call us infidels because of the way we choose to live - how can you deal with people like that politically?

 

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indeed, any reason doesnt justify this..

NO religion of spiritual belifs should provoke mass murder and self suicide. it is automatically corrupt, misunderstood, and missinterpreted. these are selfish and self-serving intentions which holds no care or concern for the people around you to get what you want. there are many religeons which claim to be a correct in their understanding of life. but this nothing but MINDLESS DESTRUCTION.

the complete opposite of what moral teaches you...

 

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CODE face=Verdana Commentary/CODE - Jul 7, 2005
- London Calling
by Jeff Buckley
My heart goes out to the People of London. I can’t imagine the horrors of what has transpired. The thought of having my definition of the world around me ripped to shreds like that or of losing a loved one in such an event brings me to the verge of tears and leaves me severely nauseated to say the very least. I can only feel lucky never to have witnessed such an act firsthand and can only hope that I never will. You have a long road of recovery ahead of you and the scars will always remain, but if anyone can come out on top I know it’s you guys.

With that said…

I would love to be able to agree with the initial “Islamic Militants†assessment of the situation. It fits so well and makes so much sense to the casual observer or frothing neocon. Those people who hate freedom just have to be responsible for the carnage in London. There can’t be any other explanation behind it. It wrenches the mind to venture thoughts of anyone else wreaking such death and destruction upon innocent civilians during something so innocuous as their morning commutes. Nothing to think about, nothing to process, and nothing to digest other than the sweet soothing sounds of an official government explanation. Easy like a Sunday morning, I always say.

Unfortunately, having turned enough stones over and having seen enough of the slimy-creepy-crawly things that lurk beneath them here in my own country, I can’t help but question the timing and motives of such an attack. Why did it happen now and whom does it benefit?

Tony Blair has stated, along with other terrorism experts that this bombing is linked to the beginning of the G8 Summit in Scotland – To cast a cloud over the proceedings. Of the several countries represented at the G8 Summit, only The United States, Great Britain, Japan, and Italy are over in Iraq right now. Why coincide a bombing with an event, only a few hundred miles away that has so many other countries present that are either neutral or opposed to the war? Why risk bringing in further support for the occupying forces from those countries?

The leaders of Russia, France, and Germany have since pledged their support and solidarity in the wake of the bombings. How does this help any “Islamic Militant†cause? Great Britain’s Ministry of Defense had just, days before, announced that they were going to be pulling massive numbers of troops out. Why do something to reverse that course of action? There is no benefit from executing this bombing if you happen to be a terrorist, strategic or otherwise. If you were to look at this act from a “cost/reward†perspective, it would be akin to gambling with the rent or taking your life savings to the dog track. It makes absolutely no sense.

So, exactly who does this benefit?

Well, Bush and Blair are both circling the political “lame duck†drain. Left and right, people are abandoning each of their respective ships. Pressure is beginning to mount from all sides regarding the Downing Street Memos and the Valerie Plame leak, support for the war is at an all time low, and approval ratings have never been more dismal. Nothing short of an extraordinary and catastrophic event could begin to stem or reverse the flow.

What exactly could help to bring people together behind their leaders, garner lost support for the illegal war in Iraq, and help along the hysterical drum beating for the coming attractions in Iran and Syria? What could possibly take the media and everyone else’s attention off of the Downing Street Memos and the Karl Rove CIA leak stories? What could make people look away from such issues as John Bolton, The Supreme Court, and…

BOOM!!!

As I said before, my heart goes out to the victims of this heinous act. You’ve done nothing wrong to deserve this and please don’t take my absence from the bandwagon as my condoning this cowardly act or being any less disgusted by it - I’m just not ready to point the finger of blame at a random group of Arabs just yet. Having witnessed the depths to which my own leaders have sunk to get what they want, I am not willing to be pacified with tales of “Islamic Militants.†Having seen regimes in the past and present manufacture their own disasters and evidence to mobilize and fortify public opinion for their own wars of conquest, I refuse to grant the governments of The United States, Great Britain, or Israel a get out of jail free card on principle this time around. For they are the ones who benefit most from this event, not any particular “Islamic Militant†group and certainly not any of the insurgents in Iraq.

So, when you see the headlines dominated by this story and the mounting evidence of lies, deception, and treason being forever pushed to the backburner, be sure to ask yourself, “Who benefits from this?†Before you throw your support behind administrations that only have doublespeak, deceit, and death to show for their efforts, be sure to ask yourself, “Who benefits from this?†And, before you allow yourself to be steamrolled and swept away by the nevitable surge of jingoistic retaliatory euphoria, be sure to ask yourself, “Who benefits from this?â€Â

If you can honestly answer that question, you just may be surprised by the answer.

 

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London Bombing has the Scent of an Inside Job.
Current mood: tired

First: My condolences to anyone who lost a loved one in the London Bombings, may your loved ones rest in peace.

London Bombing has the Scent of an Inside Job
From: The Ranter

Today in London 4 bombs, 3 on trains, 1 on a bus, killed possibly 40+ people and injured approximately 300+ others. But who stands to gain from this highly sophisticated attack?

According to IsrealNN.com, a short time ago Scotland Yard had recieved intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.

The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit.

The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power surge went out for an hour or more. They knew it was an attack but put out a false explanation. Plus why did Netanyahu get a warning and the victims didn't?

But, of course, now the mainstream media is starting to change their story, saying that there was no warning.

The Mainstream Media have been talking about the similarities between today's bombing and the Madrid, Spain Train Bombings. But what they fail to mention is that the so called perpetrators were quickly linked to an "Al Qaeda" cell in Europe, but as was later reported on PrisonPlanet.com, they were linked to the Spanish Security service. The suspects then mysteriously Killed themselves as this information was seeping out. It's become apparent that Spain's government was using the bombings for its own gains and many went to the streets in Spain to declare they knew that their own government was behind the attacks.

This seems to me as either a MI5, CIA, or Mossad Operation. The reason I say this is because on July 4th, Brittain made the announcement that they would be pulling their troops out of Iraq over the next 18 months, but now, they have a reason to stay in Iraq, how convenient for Tony Blair and George W. Bush. Also this will help the Brittish and US Governments to Institute National ID card Programs, while tightening up "security" at all bus and train depot's, like they got with the airline industry after 9/11. More searching without probable cause, more detainments of "suspects". Then there is also the increased level of fear amongst the general populace this will generate as they pound it into the average american's head over and over again. Fear is an effective tool when one wants to scare many into submitting to things they would otherwise not accept. Like after 9/11, fear of terrorism was used to pass the Unconstitutional U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, which has since been proven to increase control over the people of the U.S. by severly impeding or completely nullifying most of the Bill of Rights, while at the same time doing very little, if anything, to prevent future terrorist attacks.

Brittain has bombed itself before and blamed it on the IRA, the US planned to attack itself in 1962 with Operation Northwoods. Israel has it's Lavon Affair. Hitler burnt the Reichstag Government building and blamed it on terrorists. Nero burnt Rome, and essentially did the same, blamed terrorists. It's proven that in the 1993 WTC bombing, the FBI planted Emad A. Salem to infiltrate an Arab group in New York. His job was to act as an agent provocateur, inciting violent attacks. It was Salem who convinced the other participants to bomb the World Trade Center. When he was asked to assemble the bomb, he went to the FBI to ask for harmless powder to avoid a catastrophe. The FBI essentially cut him off. To make a long, complicated story short and simple: The FBI spent $3 million of your tax money to blow up the World Trade Center. Then look at what our Government did to the Branch Davidians in Waco, which resulted in 80 deaths, 76 of which were Branch Davidians.

People of the US, UK, and the World. This is just the latest in Government Sponsored "terrorist" attacks, and there will be more, unless we stop them through whatever means needed. Be it impeachment, or revolution, or somewhere in between, the terror attacks will stop if we reclaim our rightous command over our governments. Look at the way things have gone:

War on Illiteracy - More illiteracy, and more ignorance
War on Drugs - More Drugs on the Streets and more addicts.
War on Poverty - More Unemployed and homeless

What makes this any different? They declare a "War on Terror" and now we have more terrorism in the world than we had in 2001. Either A: they are the masterminds of all of this, or B: they are all incompitant morans, either way, they should be lynched. This is not the end, there is more attacks to come. How do I know, because they want control over any and every person, place, and resource. They want complete control over you, they want it so that you'll be so scared of being attacked, that you'll do anything the government wants. Be it giving up your rights, sending your kids off to die in more and more "neccisary" wars, taking more and more of your money out of your pockets until we're all reduced to slaves, willing to do the bidding of our Government masters. George Orwell must be rolling in his grave with the level of government corruption around the world. 1984 is only a glimpse of the hellish nightmare they are slowly creating with these "terrorist" attacks.

Don't let the media mislead you, this was not Al Qaeda. Osama Bin Laden, according to an obituary in an Egyptain Newspaper, Died in December of 2001. With all this talk of terrorism in the US and UK governments, do you think they'd really miss intelligence on a train bombing plot? And if they really did, anyone in the US or UK should be supremely pissed off, because all of those tax dollars used to increase anti-terrorism precautions where useless, being as they didn't even come close to stopping this terrorist attack. Don't be fooled, demand answers, and if they don't give them, impeach them, by any means neccisary, your freedom is at stake.

PLEASE NOTE: Whether you agree with what I have said or not, please copy and repost this article to ANY website, but most especially to your Myspace Bulletin to your friends. You may not find this interesting, but someone you know very well might. So please, I ask you, pass this article along to others

 

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Thak You, I was on my way to making the very same post. But at least now people have gotten the message.

 

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Wow, that was the best read I'd had in years, thx Sham.

 

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Can I get some actual evidence that the western governments have conspired to launch a systematic string of terror attacks over the past decade or so, or are they suppressing that information too? I am by no means a jingoist or "patriot", but goddamn. Incoherent rants chock full of hearsay and circumstantial finger-pointing really aren't convincing.

 

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They absolutely DO want to impose Islamic law on the whole of the Western world. They basically want to do what Christians did thousands of years ago during the crusades, when there was no freedom of religious expression.


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Says who?

 

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Can I get some actual evidence that the western governments have conspired to launch a systematic string of terror attacks over the past decade or so, or are they suppressing that information too? I am by no means a jingoist or "patriot", but goddamn. Incoherent rants chock full of hearsay and circumstantial finger-pointing really aren't convincing.

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Cmon incoherant it aint that bad. I mean I wouldn't be that suprised, at the end of the day who's privy to all of the facts to make a judgement.. we all rely on the media as our main source of Truth.
Either way terrorists or government, it's all the same average person aint gonna/can't do shit, live with it and play vf ^_^

 

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"Can I get some actual evidence that the western governments have conspired to launch a systematic string of terror attacks over the past decade or so, or are they suppressing that information too?"

If they did engineer these incidents, it's obvious they'd surpress any evidence.

"Incoherent rants chock full of hearsay and circumstantial finger-pointing really aren't convincing."

You're talking about Blair and Bush right?

 

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I know for a fact that the tube bombings were being misreported. I was in the foreign office press department and they were telling people that it was a 'power surge'. Scotland yard knew it was a bomb instantly. Put simply, they lied. Was this to stop mass panic? was this because we're too dumb to face the truth? would people have been on the number 30 bus if they''d known about the tube 'bombings' and not the 'power surge'?.
Reminds me of 9/11 when a pilot accidently flew in to the first tower, or so it was being reported.
Goverments lie, wether they claim to be democratic or not.

 

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"Can I get some actual evidence that the western governments have conspired to launch a systematic string of terror attacks over the past decade or so, or are they suppressing that information too?"

If they did engineer these incidents, it's obvious they'd surpress any evidence.


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So, then, I'm supposed to believe this because you say it, right? How does this make you any better than the governments you oppose? Are you trying to incite the public through baseless conspiracy theories? I'm really not following.

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You're talking about Blair and Bush right?

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Honestly, I'm skeptical of all perspectives, especially those that fail to produce any evidence to support themselves. Is that so wrong? It's not like I'm on any side but my own here. Bush and Blair are no better.

 

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"Can I get some actual evidence that the western governments have conspired to launch a systematic string of terror attacks over the past decade or so, or are they suppressing that information too?"

If /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif they did engineer these incidents, it's obvious they'd surpress any evidence.


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So, then, I'm supposed to believe this because you say it, right? How does this make you any better than the governments you oppose? Are you trying to incite the public through baseless conspiracy theories?.

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Sorry but you seem to be conjecturing a lot, I thinks it's interesting to hear these theories, asking him (sham) if he's trying to incite the public on a vf forum is laughable.

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It's called throwing out opinions , debates etc, no one says you have to agree/disagree, or believe anything.

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Honestly, I'm skeptical of all perspectives, especially those that fail to produce any evidence to support themselves. Is that so wrong?

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No,
also it depends what you define as evidence, yet again no one here is going to have the facts so it's just pure open theory discussion, having a closed mind limits one's take in my opinion.

 

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Sorry but you seem to be conjecturing a lot, I thinks it's interesting to hear these theories, asking him (sham) if he's trying to incite the public on a vf forum is laughable.


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I was referring to the paragraph asking people to post this everywhere they could. I don't mean to imply he's trying to cause some kind of uprising here. Just that he wants to propogate his views and provoke a discussion.


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No,
also it depends what you define as evidence, yet again no one here is going to have the facts so it's just pure open theory discussion, having a closed mind limits one's take in my opinion.

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Huh? I'm trying to get him to say something substansive here. It's not like the thought that governments might use terror attacks to manipulate public opinion hasn't crossed my mind either. I understand the casual nature of the discussion on any internet forum, yet he seems certain this has occured for the past several years and wants us to know.