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Obama's ex-pastor has set back Black and White relations in a big way. It isn't that hard to see why White people would be concerned. If you can't see it, just reverse the roles.

Would you vote for a White candidate who talked about unity, progress and change after you found out that his old pastor, who he regarded highly, who married him, who baptized his children, was heard and seen on videotape talking negatively about "Black people" and the "Black government"?
If the shoe was on the other foot you would probably understand their cause for concern.

I'm not against Obama, if anything, I thought he had it in the bag. I thought that it was going to take something really huge from Hillary to bring him down. But no, it's one of his old friends who is bringing him down. There is no one on Hillary's camp or McCain's camp who could've done as much damage to Obama's campaign as Jeromiah Wright has done.
I know it's not over yet but Obama was so damn close. He was on a roll. But, like I've said before, there's more here than meets the eye, why would Wright speak out now and literally make an ass out of himself in front of the national media so blatantly NOW? Wright knows what's at stake now. He did not have to do this now. Wether he was paid off to put on a show or somebody made him an offer that he couldn't refuse... the whole thing stinks to high hell.

I'm not close to my pastor either, but as soon as any pastor starts spewing the kind of talk that Wright did, I would've got the hell out of there. I've left churches before when I started to get the feeling that the ministry was getting away from what I wanted my church experience to be.
I love an entertaining pastor but once that pastor starts crossing over from entertaining to ignorant, it's time to go.

Barack Obama WAS close to Wright and Wright didn't JUST adopt these views. Obama has admittedly had Wright over to his house for talks. Obama even has Wright's phone number. I don't have my pastor's number, it's not that kind of relationship.
These two men had a closer relationship than just pastor and church member. And that is disturbing after you hear Wright, in his own words, say that Farrakhan is "one of the greatest voices of our time".

I'm not saying that Obama IS Wright or vice-versa. They are both two different men. And Obama does not have to agree with all of Wright's views or ideas but to say that he knew nothing of them is not very believable.
Obama is his own man, and hopefully he can be viewed as such, and not as a puppet of Wright's or anybody else's.
I hope that he's able to shake off the image that Wright has established and that concerned voters are associating him to.

 

This is where hypocrisy comes in, does anyone think that Hillary or Bill don't have someone in their telephone list that probably uses the word nigger or talks badly about mexicans?

Good thing if any of them decided to do it in a public forum they'd
be disappeared before they got a press conference. Black people need to put out a black patrol to ghost assholes like Wright who sabotage our shit.

All black reverends in the media asides from MLK just seem to
make black people look bad. I do his shit for jesus my ass it's
for your own vanity.

 

It's already your choice, friends. But i think McCain can provoke the 3rd World War: he really lost his brains in Vietnam!

 

Obama has admitted that he knew that Wright harbored ideas that were controversial and that he disagreed with. He claims that he was not there when Wright gave the post-9/11 Goddamn America speech. People have seized upon minutiae in Wright's statements that it is possible Obama did not know about and if he didn't he disagreed with them. I don't know if it is true or not, but I don't think it is so important.

If Wright's church was a positive force in the community and encouraged black people to help each other and to look to the church for moral guidance, is all of his positive work undone by his craziest rhetoric? Even if you don't agree with Wright, isn't it pretty easy to see why a whole lot of black people would not think so highly of the American government? Even today, 150 years after slavery, black men are still more likely to be in jail than in college. Black people live considerably shorter lives than white people. They have much less income than white people on average, and much much less wealth. I could go on here...

And for people to say that there is anything analogous between Wright and someone who is a white supremacist, that is just crazy. White people have no legitimate gripes with black people as a whole. As group the power has always rested with white people. So when someone says that black people need to stick together and help each other out, it is totally different than when someone says that white people must band together and help out their fellow whites.

And yeah McCain left part of his Sanity in Hanoi. I don't want him near the button when he gets all ANGRY.

 

Now your getting into saying being one color or another is an excuse to be hateful and that's a cop out...

Looking at Wright as being an angry black man who is just spouting off and setting a double standard doesn't help anyone either. Being so P.C. you punish the white guy who had nothing to do with slavery is just as ridiculous if not more so... I'm white and I never enslaved, imprisoned or held anybody down and I still don't spew hatred everywhere...

BTW... That McCain article is awesome! I really hope that becomes a BIG news story, HUGE!

 

What quote of Wright's would you say constitutes an attack on every white person?

 

I meant more generally... Not really a specific quote just that attitude that it's ok because he is black. I see that as a double standard is all I meant.

 

my vote is for obama im not gonna change it just cuz Wright is spilling garbage out of his mouth

 

It's all about group dynamics. White's have historically been in a seat of privalge and power in USA while blacks have historically been at the bottom. The disparity between the two groups has decreased A LOT over the years but there still is one despite efforts to close the gap.

Part of it stems from the fact that black people were not able to pass on their wealth to their children because they barely had any to begin with, it's only really been barely 1 generation of legal equality on paper, and still you have a disproportionate amount of minorities in general in prisons in a community that is overwhelmingly white hence there is obviously still bias.

So yeah with all these things in mind if you want to say it's not alright for a black person to be angry at their government and to have resentment toward the majority populus, just try and put yourself on the other end. Would you like to be in that situation on the other side of the racial spectrum. When there is a black person who is a bigot you have at worst to deal with them just being an annoying ass who probably just on proportions doesn't have a position of power that matters since they politically wouldn't have gotten far anyway. However when you have a white person who is a bigot and is white there is a much higher chance that they could be in a position to affect people's lives and has been the case in politics for years.

That's where you can kinda see why it could make sense and not be totally outlandish and unjustified for a black person to genuinely displeased with the government and whites. I personally don't like racial stereotypes on either side of the spectrum but acknowledge that they exist.

A lot of white people DON"T spew out racial slurs and hate speak, a lot of them geuninly think slavery was wrong and that we should all have equal rights. It can be understood that it's frustrating to hear someone from the other side of the fence attack your people and in essnece attack you when you don't harbor the views that they speak of. Still though you receive the benefits of your race that aren't open to the minority groups complaining/frustrated/angry.

The true question I ask people who claim not to harbor any stereotypical beliefs about groups is would you let them marry your daughter/son would you let them into your family with open loving arms. That's the true test of acceptance. I've been saying for years, racism and stereotypes will decrease once everyone has someone of every race in their family somewhere along the lines.

One day one day.

 

Yknow after reading this I just may have to drop my
stereotypes about Eileen players /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif MIGHT...
(I kid, sorta /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

I guess I'm here to provide the ignorant Americans side to the story? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

My problem with this election is none of the candidates have any business running for the Presidency.

None of them have any executive experience, they are all Senators.

None of them have any clue as to why the economy is in a slump and their answers are vague and ridiculous.

They are all liberal, including McCain (don't let his current pandering fool you).

McCain doesn't understand why health care costs so much and Hillary/Obama's health care plans are fundamentally flawed.

None of them are getting out of Iraq, period. Hillary and Obama are just pandering for far left votes. Watch em flop after getting elected.

None of them are going to do anything about illegal immigration. McCain is just pandering for far right votes. Watch him flop after getting elected.

They all drink this Kool Aid called "Global Warming". Cause if we don't invest in mercury compact fluorescent lights this instant and buy carbon credits for our carbon emission "sins" we'll be doomed to live underwater in 10 years and polar bears will drown.

All things considered, I'd prefer a far left guy like Obama winning it this time around.

"You need a Carter to get a Reagan", or so us ignorant Americans say.

-your local libertarian

 

So, uh, you don't believe in global warming?

 

Most people running for president are senators just fyi.

 

Senators have not won the executive branch since John F. Kennedy and there is a big reason why.

The President is an executive job. Typically a governor, general, business leader, etc. gets nominated because they have the most relevant experience.

None of these candidates including Hillary and McCain have any relevant experience with making big decisions.

No I don't believe in Global Warming in the sense that we have anything to do with it, we have any affect on it, and in that it is any long term threat. It's just another hoax designed by desperate scientists who want more government money. Another reason for the government to spend and expand wastefully and curb our freedom.

 

ROFL @ GW being qualified to be the U.S. president because he was governor of texas . . .

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P.S. "Executive" comes from "execute", not "deciderate"

 

hehehe

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People like you will destroy the world and then decide to fix it after it's too late. Why would you even take the risk? If it does happen it will be absolutely catastrophic and trying to head it off would be good for the environment anyway (and we owe that to the world at least. We pollute more than anyone else and it's not fair to them.) I'm not so conceited as to believe that humans just own the earth and we can do with it what we please even if that means destroying it. You are flat out wrong in your stance on global warming.

 

Don't bother. It's like telling an evangelical:

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The only thing that matters in this world are issues that affect my wallet!

What a lovely idea.

 

...Imminent danger from Iraq... It's just another hoax designed by desperate corporations who want more government money. Another reason for the government to spend and expand wastefully and curb our freedom.


I want my money spent on health care and aggressive promotion of peace.

 

Me too homie. Me too.

Those two work as bases. Once they're established, other stuff just seems to happen naturally. Take Sweeden and Switzerland for example. They've remained neutral for how long now? Even amongst all this nonsense in the World. I think it's cause their foundation is so strong and it's built on healthcare and passiveness with peace. My take on that anyway.