PS3 Price WTF!!!!

its one thing to yell at air
and its another for someone to yell out a solution to the problem.

So far, it irritates me that the former doesnt incite the latter. Being a sony apologist like some of you like to label me, some of the primary concerns for sony delays and pricing is the BluRay itself. I mentioned before HD-DVD players are selling for $500 right now. With losing money on consoles, I dont know how much more sony could of really dropped the price. But it possibly is best for Sonys long term goals. Itagaki, love him or hate him - said that his primary concern with 360 was its lack of nextgen format support. To truly show next gen media where things are displayed at higher resolutions, a lot of space is needed to match the new 720p standards. Apparently DVD is not cutting it anymore. In my bias I do believe sony is making the right move with Bluray at launch, for the long term goals when games really start to mature.

As for the stealing of ideas - business is business. There are no ethics in it sadly. Likewise no one seems to complain about the xbox and wii controller having twin analog sticks. 360 controllers going wireless ala wavebird. Sony taking shoulder buttons from SNES and so on and so on. If you really want to dig deep, tekken steals from VF, VF steals back from tekken. It happens and again, no big suprise.

 

if you think its to high....

buy one (on launch) and sell it for a profit, and maybe use the profit to buy another one when vf5 is out in spring

hell u maybe lucky and the price would be lowered then also, haha

 

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KTallguy said:

LOLOL at Sudden_Death

And really, it's all about the games.

VF5? MGS4? FF?

Unfortunately, I love all of these series.

Let's pray for publishers to get drunk enough to stupidly spend money developing some new IPOs... because otherwise it's gonna be sequel mania for the next 10 years.

Honestly, X-Box this, PS3 that, Wii willie....

For me, it's all about the games. Sadly, the only games I'm interested in on 360 are the few mecha games that are coming out, and that's pretty much it...

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You have no idea how much we'd love to do original games. Unfortunetly we don't make games any more, we make money.

It's not about making a good game. It's about making a passibly ok game that people will buy and that we can strip down so we can recycle and port it to as many outlets as possible for the extra cash. Originality, game design, risks, they're no match for quick cheap influx.

That's why I have an issue with porting games. Instead of making a specific game for certain players, we end up having to make half baked attempt of pleasing everyone.

 

How about all you fucking VF whores STFU pay the PS3 pimp & move along!

Thank goodness this shit is online only rather than in real person b.s. or I would've vomited to death.

 

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Cuz said:

You have no idea how much we'd love to do original games. Unfortunetly we don't make games any more, we make money.

It's not about making a good game. It's about making a passibly ok game that people will buy and that we can strip down so we can recycle and port it to as many outlets as possible for the extra cash. Originality, game design, risks, they're no match for quick cheap influx.

That's why I have an issue with porting games. Instead of making a specific game for certain players, we end up having to make half baked attempt of pleasing everyone.

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I totally understand what you mean. I've worked a tiny bit in the industry, and I'm hoping to get in for real soon. It's a very difficult thing to get a new IPO off the ground.

Original games require a lot of capital and investment. It's much safer to get a hit and then turn the concept/series into a hitmaker. However, with that said hitmaker money, it's important to take an amount of that money and invest it in innovation.

After being at e3 and looking at the PS3, I'm a little on the fence. Wii is really fricking amazing, but it won't please the hardcore (like me) because of a basic lack of depth (so far). Then again, I didn't get a chance to play the new Zelda at all ... sadly.

But that controller, it feels so damn natural. If you have 1/10th of an imagination, just pretend the controller is a tennis raquet and whack away at the ball, it's amazing. Wii is gonna be an amazing party machine, that's for sure.

And all these people who are bitching that Sony stole this idea from that company, I think that's full of shit. The important thing is to make the best, most well realized version of something. An original concept is great, but perfecting that concept so that customers besides early adopters will want to use it is what makes you money. Who came out with the first MP3 player? Not Apple. But Apple rules the market, because they took the MP3 player, and perfected it for the mass market.

Sony was very smart to put some kind of motion sensing technology in their controller. Playing WarHawks felt really natural and fun, and that game was only 30% complete (amazing!!). BlueRay is more expensive but soon everyone will need a medium that can store that much data. The only reason Microsoft isn't supporting it as a standard is because PS3 won't automatically and easily interface with Microsoft's total interconnectivity ideals. Both Sony and Microsoft want to control how you move media around in your home. For people who say Sony is trying to control your life, Microsoft bascially already does, if you're using Windows to view this forum.

Competition is good. Right now, competition is extremely fierce, these three consoles are going to go head to head, and guess what. We're gonna win because of it.

Imagine if Sony/Microsoft somehow got the ability to be the only game hardware manufacturer for the next 15 years (like EA and the NFL's deal). How much innovation would there be, if there's no comp breathing down their neck? Likewise, look at Madden, using the same graphics engine with a few tweaks year after year, because EA doesn't need to invest the time and money to make a new graphics engine, because there's no competition.

We're really lucky right now, as gamers, if you think about it.

 

inflation included price chart.
http://curmudgeongamer.com/2006/05/history-of-console-prices-or-500-aint.html

Yes people, inflation is all part of the economy. Stop living in the wrong decade. Also a pitiful example of how much the American economy sucks. Bush "not doing anything" to stop gas price hikes, only makes things worse. Seems like anyone can blame price raises on gas/shipping costs these days.

 

IF blue-ray technology fails to take off, is it still worth all that money?

 

why are you asking us?
thats a question only you yourself can answer

 

Man Pheonix, you need to get to bed earlier =p

If BlueRay catches on, bascially XBox is dead... blue ray popularity will make or break this console war imo...

 

but will switch titles like VF5, MGS4, and FFXIII jumping platforms to xbox, if bluray fails?

I know the risk, but if it fails will it stop you from playing VF5 and those other games if they stay exclusive?

again a question only you can answer.

 

The PC industry is on Blu-ray's side as it offers the higher storage capacity. It is very unlikely that Blu-ray will fail IMO.

 

simply put, I go where the games are.

Original Xbox has like, 3 to 4 games that I really want, that are exclusive to the console (not on the PC). Those are: Ninja Gaiden, Steel Batallion, Shen Mue 2, and .. can't remember the last one.

Fortunately for me, I beat Shen Mue 2 and Ninja Gaiden on a friend's Xbox, and camped outside frys electronics in San Diego to play Steel Batallion like 3 times all day (lie).

Unfortunately for Microsoft, 3 to 4 games doesn't warrent a purchase for me.

Let's say we entered some crazy weird DIMENSION, where MGS4 SUCKED. I wouldn't buy PS3. What if FFXIII SUCKS? It's entirely possible. I wouldn't buy PS3.

But I've already played VF5, and it doesn't suck.

I guess I'm screwed.

 

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If BlueRay catches on, bascially XBox is dead... blue ray popularity will make or break this console war imo...

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I would say the opposite...if Blu-Ray catches on, people who want the X-box 360 won't bother to buy the HD-DVD add on but would buy the 360. If Blu-Ray fails, people will seriously reconsider buying a PS3 because you can't separate Blu-Ray from PS3.

If Blu-Ray fails, Sony is in serious trouble. But if Blu-Ray succeeds, Sony will taste the sweet success of dominance in two key markets.

 

According to Gamespot, analysts reckon that the 60 gig PS3 will probably retail at £425.00 in the UK while the 20 gig version probably won’t be released at all here. But even then, when you consider that only in February that I bought the premium Xbox 360 for £146.00 less. That’s two games an extra controller and just enough left for a rechargeable battery pack.

Crazy.

Then, as a British citizen you have to consider the exchange rates here. I doubt there’s anywhere else in the world where you have to fork out as much cash as in the UK. If the $599.00 price tag for the States sticks then you’re all still paying £100.00 less.

I was just thinking about affordability this morning: The 22-35+ adults with a stable job and a disposable income are laughing. Yeah, it may sting handing that much cash over the counter but it wouldn’t be any different from the time they purchased their state of the art HD plasma screen TV for a solid grand plus.

The 15-18’s have it a harder though; they can get part-time jobs and perhaps their parents will make up the rest for Christmas or their birthday. But giving your son or daughter an extra £200 to make up the difference is a long way away from paying £400.00 straight for a games console without even buying the games for it, which will probably be in the £40-50 bracket like the Xbox 360’s.

When I think of the working class families with 2.4 kids between the ages of 8-12; they’re kids are going to see the adverts on TV, in the playground they’re mates will all be proclaiming that PS3 is the best thing since pokemon and you must have it! For many working class families in the UK £425.00 is a months rent, not to mention the other bills and feeding the kids.

Sony better aim PS3 at the adult market, for ethical reasons (ha, I scoff at a company doing so as well, but humour me). The original Xbox was aimed at the adult market but even then their price tag was just as ridiculous, and within 6 months it was lowered.

Sony are trying to get Blu-Ray into our homes and they want us to pay through the nose for it?! That’s rich, in more ways than one.

The link can be found here

 

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KTallguy said:

Man Pheonix, you need to get to bed earlier =p

If BlueRay catches on, bascially XBox is dead... blue ray popularity will make or break this console war imo...

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actualy its the other way around, the playstations market share will garenty blu-rays dominance

and put it this way, sony bought MGM just so they can hav all of their films exclusive to blu-ray...

ie: over half the movie industrys films are blu-ray exclusive

people are moning about the price, well dont buy it at launch, simple

 

So Blue Ray is better performance wise that HD -DVD, but wasn't Beta better than VHS? Look what happend there

Sony is struggling right now with new formats. IPOD is killing them, UMD is loosing support and making the movie execs nervous about Blue Ray.

Problem with Blue Ray like it was with Beta is that it is to expensive for a stand alone player. A HD -DVD player is $500 and they say a Blue Ray will be around $800

Multiple products that offer similiar performance is a bad sign for certain companies. HD DVD and Blue Ray, 360 and PS3 (games don't look any better)

If PS3's sellout then 360's will sell. If no one buys the PS3 and it is still on shelves then 360 will win.

Either way I will probably get one to sell on Ebay, but by the time VF5 comes out for PS3 we will know if it will succeed as a next gen system. If not then wait for the 360 version of VF5 because you can bet Sega will eventually release VF5 Evolution

 

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EL_Brisal73 said:

So Blue Ray is better performance wise that HD -DVD, but wasn't Beta better than VHS? Look what happend there

Sony is struggling right now with new formats. IPOD is killing them, UMD is loosing support and making the movie execs nervous about Blue Ray.

Problem with Blue Ray like it was with Beta is that it is to expensive for a stand alone player. A HD -DVD player is $500 and they say a Blue Ray will be around $800

Multiple products that offer similiar performance is a bad sign for certain companies. HD DVD and Blue Ray, 360 and PS3 (games don't look any better)

If PS3's sellout then 360's will sell. If no one buys the PS3 and it is still on shelves then 360 will win.

Either way I will probably get one to sell on Ebay, but by the time VF5 comes out for PS3 we will know if it will succeed as a next gen system. If not then wait for the 360 version of VF5 because you can bet Sega will eventually release VF5 Evolution

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That's a valid argument EL_Brisal73, I like how you think. Especially the comment on future releases of VF5; even if Sony's exclusive deal with Sega is rock solid there's still potential for ports of future upgrades.

Just like how MGS2 SOL was PS2 exclusive yet Substance made it to the Xbox.

The only thing that puts a downer on the theory is PS3's hard drive/broadband capacity; if I bought the PS3 version and Ver. B was released I'd expect to be able to download the patch straight onto my console.

Well, fingers crossed.

 

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EL_Brisal73 said:

So Blue Ray is better performance wise that HD -DVD, but wasn't Beta better than VHS? Look what happend there


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mmm typical reply from someone who prob aint ever had a beta let alone know that beta then went on to ownn the pro industry for 20 years

yes beta was "better" and more expensive, but the real reason was not as much software then VHS on how it finaly lost

sony wouldnt "sell" the porn industry beta camers and beta dupuclators like VHS did, but this time around the porn industry welcomed bluray in a near exclusive deal!
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EL_Brisal73 said:
Sony is struggling right now with new formats. IPOD is killing them, UMD is loosing support and making the movie execs nervous about Blue Ray.


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mmm so what ipod is killing them with like 2 thirds of the market, last time i checked they always made more money from their music/movies/games and of corse the pro market

apple couldnt even buy universal music

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EL_Brisal73 said:
Problem with Blue Ray like it was with Beta is that it is to expensive for a stand alone player. A HD -DVD player is $500 and they say a Blue Ray will be around $800



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okay a HD-DVD is $500 ( toshiba A1$399 if u look around) but in reality you NEED the $800 player(toshiba XA1), as the $500 player cant decode the sound formats in full 5.1 AND the digital output is "dumbed" down to normal DTS and dolby!!!

haha, the ps3 is a $500 console that plays blu-ray, so ur point is mute

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EL_Brisal73 said:

Multiple products that offer similiar performance is a bad sign for certain companies. HD DVD and Blue Ray, 360 and PS3 (games don't look any better)

If PS3's sellout then 360's will sell. If no one buys the PS3 and it is still on shelves then 360 will win.

Either way I will probably get one to sell on Ebay, but by the time VF5 comes out for PS3 we will know if it will succeed as a next gen system. If not then wait for the 360 version of VF5 because you can bet Sega will eventually release VF5 Evolution

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do yourself a favour, DONT buy a ps3, DONT buy a blu ray, hd-dvd will die off in 18months, hell they couldnt even launch more the 10,000 players haha

 

"mmm typical reply from someone who prob aint ever had a beta let alone know that beta then went on to ownn the pro industry for 20 years

yes beta was "better" and more expensive, but the real reason was not as much software then VHS on how it finaly lost

sony wouldnt "sell" the porn industry beta camers and beta dupuclators like VHS did, but this time around the porn industry welcomed bluray in a near exclusive deal! "

I am showing my age, but yes I did (well family) own a Beta player. Also I know BR is currently being used by professionals right now (Local ABC news as example)

..and PORN does rule

"mmm so what ipod is killing them with like 2 thirds of the market, last time i checked they always made more money from their music/movies/games and of corse the pro market

apple couldnt even buy universal music"

interesting comment, but what about UMD????

"okay a HD-DVD is $500 ( toshiba A1$399 if u look around) but in reality you NEED the $800 player(toshiba XA1), as the $500 player cant decode the sound formats in full 5.1 AND the digital output is "dumbed" down to normal DTS and dolby!!!

haha, the ps3 is a $500 console that plays blu-ray, so ur point is mute "

Umm . You probably know this, but the reason alot of movie execs jumped on Blue Ray was because of the HDMI protection and the the PS3 hitting the market (mass consumer product).

Well the $500 system will not have HDMI so in order to get true Blue Ray playback you will need the $600 system which takes out most users as an initial purchase. $600 for the system tax say 650 plus a game $65 add one extra controller $40 and say a movie $25 Which brings the total to $780. Heck most people dont even have HD televesions.

So say the average consumer wants a gaming system. They walk into Best Buy and they have Madden 07 playing on the 360 and PS3. To there eyes there won't be that much of a difference if any at all. Then they look at price of the sytems $299/399 for 360 $499/599 for PS3. Even worse for Sony if they have no systems to sell, because the on the fence buyers will just get a 360 to play a similiar game of Madden07

The Vf 5 breakdown ( give or take):

PS3 $500/600
VF5 $60-$70 ( domestic/import)
New Joysticks $70 maybe even 2
Memory Card $30 to use for your custom characters (move them from one house to another)

Low end =660 ($599 system, domestic VF5, one joystick, one memory card)
High end =940 ($699 system, Import VF5, 2 joysticks, one memory card)

ouch /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Either buy a PS3 or don't! geez... or make friends with some one who will buy a PS3 and teach them how to play VF!! Steal one if you have to!!! Discussing the cost of a PS3 will not change the price. It either worth it or it's not!!! Now, don't make me destroy your lives!!