PS3 Price WTF!!!!

Re: riight...so, raise your hand if you like to make shit up

Where did I say I hate sony as a company? Please stop pulling shit out of your ass.

 

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Shadowdean said:
MS can win the console war due to Sony's stupidity hahahaha

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Shadowdean said:
The Final Fuck You
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23921409


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all abored back on sony's nuts
if the major selling point of a game system is a secondary function...thats great!


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When all I see is a blatent attempt to exploit people, damn straight I complain. I guess its good we have people who are ok with that.


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Or...simply because sony makes cheap fucking electronics?


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and now with that last quote - since sony is bascially 90% electronics, and the TOPIC is PS3 afterall. Staying on TOPIC - PS3 is an ELECTRONIC DEVICE. Ya I think you pretty much hate sony TOPIC wise. Using words like "exploit", Final Fuck you, and All "aboard" sonys nuts, doesnt speak much about console neutrality.
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I don't have any particular feelings towards any company


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btw - why do you avoid the main argument so much, no one is forcing you to buy it. If anything your arguments should be directed at Sega for breaking a deal with Sony. Nitpicking gets so tiresome. The logic continues to defy!!

 

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Shadowdean said for the last week or so:
I HATE SONY !!! I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!!I HATE SONY !!! I HATE SONY !!! I HATE SONY !!! I HATE SONY !!! I HATE SONY !!!
WAIT AM I RUNNING OUT OF WAYS TO SAY THIS?


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Geez man if you dont like sony and playstation so much, just dont buy one, save up for an arcade board instead. I dont know why you're trying to impose on other people, nobody is imposing on you.

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LOL, man this is so funny, "nobody is imposing on you", LOL, dude you impose on anybody who
a) doesnt agree with you
b) doesnt complain to the "right people"
c) makes a "useless" thread
I finally get you, you like, no wait, LOVE to argue. For the love of freedom of speech, if Shadowdean wants to vent and share his frustration about Sony, you could be civil about this and do him and everyone else here a favor and stop telling other people what they can/cant, should/shouldnt do.
If I want to get on here and say that A and/or B sucks or whatever, I dont care if you post a 1000 words on why you disagree but it's just not right to tell people to "take it up elsewhere", "this thread is pointless", and/or put words in people's mouths...
I just read this and realized that maybe I'm telling YOU what you can/cant do... maybe it's not you thats the problem, maybe it's people like me that pay attention to your antogonizing and frustrating posts and then choose to respond... well, this will be the last, good luck with your angst and false sense of righteousness, PhoenixDth, goodbye. /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

Re: riight...so, raise your hand if

tony if you have personal problems you like to drag from other threads, your whole arguement is contradictory in itself.

If you've been actually reading this thread, im not the only one making the arguement of option to choose. Exactly how are you contributing to this thread by imposing your hatred towards me from another thread into this one. Shadowdeans arguements always been forced to buy PS3, while I and other people as well argue that there is no coercion. You tell me freedom of choice, yet you slander my own opinions. Good sir, you have turned into your own worst enemy. If so lets be friends, free speech is a beautiful thing and welcome to the internet. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If you do have a personal vendetta, the PM button is free to use.

 

Re: riight...so, raise your hand if

Look what $ony is doing to you people!

Your not animals, your human beings!

 

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look el brisal, do you even know the difference in bandwidth between HDMI and component cables?

.... NONE

for games you WILL get 1080p from the damned component cables, you can look wherever you want, the ICT or image constrain token will only be used for movies, not games, as far as i can recall HDMI is only RGB output plus optical audio, wich isn´t being fed to your home theater system like it should so, there really is no difference between HDMI and COMPONENT+Optical audio for games, just for movies, and that is WHEN they apply the ICT, wich will be broken, the code has already been cracked

so you can enjoy your 1080p on your component cables on your damn hi def display with the damned gimped ps3, since you don´t really want Blu-ray movie content

 

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look el brisal, do you even know the difference in bandwidth between HDMI and component cables?

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You got a source to back that up? I think you're wrong.

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for games you WILL get 1080p from the damned component cables, you can look wherever you want,


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Funny, I just LOOKed at the specs for my monitor (westinghouse 1080p) and whaddya know . . . it supports 1080p over DVI and d-sub . . . but the max it supports for component is 1080i. I think there's a reason for that.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthrea...age=2&pp=30

Whaddya know, people who know a hell of a lot more than me about avs think so too:

'Component video cables will go to a horizontal resolution of 2160 @ 30 frames per second in very short distances (1 meter or less)'

Seen any 3 ft video game cables lately? I haven't. Seen any consumer grade video equipment that outputs 1080p over component? I haven't. Seen any 1080p video over reasonable length DVI or HDMI cables lately? I have.

Saying that 1080p is theoretically possible over component is one thing. Saying that there's no difference between it and HDMI is another thing altogether. Saying that sony will produce games that run 1080p over component is outright baseless speculation.

 

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hehehe well i had no idea tv's had a restriction for that sort of thing, all i know is Component is RGB wich has the same bandwidth as VGA, and thus HDMI, wich is DVI+Optical audio, and DVI is a rewired form of VGA, optimized to minimize signal loss

you might want to recheck that forum page man, and actually post the complete quote next time

"Component will do 1080p all day long! The problem is that HDTVs need new hardware to display it. Component video cables will go to a horizontal resolution of 2160 @ 30 frames per second in very short distances (1 meter or less) but it will send the video through its pipe.
Component is a very robust system with one problem, Hollywood can't control it."

component cables will do 1080p all day long? what? baseless speculation?

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Funny, I just LOOKed at the specs for my monitor (westinghouse 1080p) and whaddya know . . . it supports 1080p over DVI and d-sub . . . but the max it supports for component is 1080i. I think there's a reason for that

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yes there's a reason, you need a better tv set

"The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 is specified as accepting 1080p over component.

This means that any of the PS3 video games that are 1080p capable can be paired with that display for 1080p over component. Yes, it is possible. "

oops, he got a better tv than you

also another post, (i'm beginning to think you just read the first 2 or so)

"The probelm is not the component signal.
That signal will do 1080p60 without any problems.

BUT the licenses governing BD-ROM A/V do NOT allow 1080p outputs on analog connectors. The maximum permissible output resolution is 1080i60. This has nothing to do with the ICT flag btw, so it doesn't matter if ICT=0 or ICT=1.


Also keep in mind that the provisions in the BD-ROM A/V license do NOT extent to PS3 games, so the games might output 1080p over component if Sony chose to allow that."

so to recap, i said he could watch it on his 1080p tv because he was damn smug about it, meaning he had a top of the line hdtv wich COULD do 1080p over component, meaning he did not have to worry about buying the top of the line ps3, but could get away with the "gimped" ps3 instead, given he didn't want to watch any blu-ray movies in it.

whatever sony chooses to do when it comes out, is entirely up to them, i merely stated the possibilities of his system, and why his whining was based on nothing.

maybe now you will learn to just sit tight and listen when i have something to say

DID YOU FEEL THE REAL POWER?
GO BACK TO SCHOOL

 

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/versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif .......ok I'm done

 

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Actually, I did read the entire thread in question; i'm not sure that duplicating it here does anything but help my point. I'm not arguing that 1080p over SHORT component cables is impossible; I'm saying I think theres a reason it seems to be commercially unavailable (no sources, no displays). And no, this isn't evidence of commercial availability:

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"The Westinghouse LVM-42w2 is specified as accepting 1080p over component."

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Funny, westinghouse doesnt think so. from
https://www.westinghousedigital.com/pc-44-7-42-1080p-monitor.aspx

YPbPr Component Video 480i/p, 720p, 1080i

More specifically, I'm saying that I think you are flat out wrong that

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Component is RGB wich has the same bandwidth as VGA, and thus HDMI

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This is incorrect. The component connections coming out of the back of your PS2 or Xbox carry a signal encoded in YPbPr (bascially, brightness, blue difference, red difference), not RGB. HDMI can carry a signal encoded in RGB or YCbCr (digital equivalent of YPbPr). You are aware that HDMI is digital, unlike YPbPr Component which is analog, yes? You are aware that this has an impact on how attenuation affects a signal, and thus the bandwith you can effectively achieve over a given cable length?

The HDMI spec, available from http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.asp specifies a bandwith of 25mhz to 165mhz for single link connections; the upper end of that range is sufficient for 1080p. I've seen some ridiculous numbers tossed around for the potential bandwith of particular brands of expensive YPbPr component cables, but I am not aware of any standard for manufacturers to adhere to for 1080p over component.

Again, I challenge you to provide a solid reference explaining how

HDMI bandwith == YPbPr component bandwith.

Hell, I'd settle for a screenshot of a westinghouse system info menu displaying: Source YPbPr1 Resolution 1920x1080

Seriously, if you've got information I don't have, I'd love to hear about it. Otherwise, please dont spread misinformation by telling people its just fine to buy the 'cheaper' ps3 because they can get 1080p over component.

In the meantime, i'm gonna, y'know, play some VF.

 

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This is the answer.

I finally get it ... /versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

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BRILLIANT!!

 

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dude the YPbPr component cable is the same as YCbCr, and if you haven't checked in your ps2, you CAN output RGB, go check in the settings menu (read=go back to school) sony would be stupid not to include this option in the ps3 IMO.
i AM aware that component cables are analog, damn right they are, and as such, distance can affect signal loss and the such, wich i'm assuming you know, when they said over distances 1 meter and less they actually meant the PURE signal, as is with any non digital wire, there will be signal loss but it will not be any more noticeable than the one you get thru your crappy run of the mill sony composite wires

YPbPr is one sort of input in your HDTV and RGB thru YCbCr is another, and that's something you have to deal with with your TV, but you are right, YPbPr can't handle 1080p, RGB or YCbCr can, but THEY'RE THE SAME DAMN COMPONENT CABLES

i actually have a set of those overpriced overhyped component wires (that's why i know of the RGB setting on the ps2), they seem to work pretty well for 10ft cables, i haven't experienced any signal loss on 480p or 1080i
also my tv doesn't support RGB over those wires so the image looks garbled when you don't have YPbPr set on

anyways i digress, this will be settled once there's a 1080p game on ps3, and we can get our hands on a 1080p TV that supports RGB

and no i will not reference, i'm too lazy to, besides, my word is enough /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

anyways have fun with your vf, i'll go play some myself when i get home

 

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KTallguy: bwahahahaha. xbox360chan indeed.

Setsuna_Goh: Nice to see you can humbly admit when you're wrong. Too bad you keep confusing schemes for seperating video into components (RGB, YPbPr, YCbCr etc) with the physical connectors (RCA, d15, etc) with the standards that encompass both of those and more (dvi, hdmi, etc). I could solder a d15 to either end of 15 short pieces of the RCA cable that comes with the PS2 composite video connector and probably push 1080p over it from my pc to my monitor. That doesn't mean that you'll get 1080p from the crappy composite output on the PS2.

Yes, the PS2 can output an RGB signal with sync on green over 3 RCA cables (good luck tracking down a monitor that supports sync on green, much less an hdtv). That's not what people mean when they say 'component video' these days (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video ), or you might as well call any componentized video signal 'component video', including DVI and HDMI.

If RGB with sync-on green over 3 RCA cables was actually what you were referring to with your original OMG WTF NO BANDWITH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DVI AND VGA AND HDMI AND COMPONENT B/C THEYRE THE SAME DAMN CABLE rant, you're still wrong.

With 3 RCA cables, you have to transmit hsync and vsync along with other information on one of those lines. DVI and 'VGA', even though they use an RGB scheme, have seperate lines for hsync and vsync (see eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface). I would imagine this is part of the reason why they will do 1080p video over reasonable cable lengths, when 'component' won't. I dont really understand how HDMI works, but it has 3 data channels., plus a clock line, plus another line for negotiating between a source and a display. (check the HDMI spec I linked earlier). In short, they aren't the same standards, aren't the same cables, and I seriously doubt they have the same bandwith.

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no i will not reference, i'm too lazy to, besides, my word is enough

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Yep, didn't think so.

 

Kod WINS

ugh you win, in the end i always end up learning even when i'm wrong so why not admit it, thanks for all the info btw /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

i don't have anything else to say, if anything everybody's gonna be buying the 600 bux ps3 and there will be plenty of 500 bux ps3's lying around for launch day

or maybe people won't buy them, in any case i plan to have 700 bucks ready by launch date so i'll be ready to get 1 game plus 1 extra controller when the damn thing comes out

and if this is anything like the ps2 it'll just crap out in a year, and given the fact that i don't plan on getting a new tv until the end of next year, i'll be hdmi ready when that tv comes, not that it will support 1080p but meh, HDMI is the shit anyways LOL

 

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Re: Kod WINS

It's not going to be 600 here in Chicago. With fucking 10% sales tax, one console will cost 660! 660 people! Can't even get a game with 700 in my hand. Eh, I'm getting one the day VF5 comes out anyways.