Racism (was Politics)

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Two words: Robert Mugabe. If the US sent in their troops to remove a tyrant, then surely they should be sending them into Zimbabwe to get rid of someone who seems set on destroying the people of his own country.

Oh no, wait. There's no oil in Zimbabwe. No oil means no big contracts to George's friends. No contracts means no money. No money means no interest in going there.

At least Saddam somewhat kept order. Mugabe only creates chaos for everyone but his friends.

 

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They fled, they werent told to fuck off. and this "they" formed the upper and middle classes of the Batista regime.

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Hussein, wow really not a tyrant? He killed millions of people, many of which were just children. </div></div> People are dieing at a greater rate after Saddam in Iraq. what does that say.

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You can make claims all day but your wrong. They were both cruel, horrible men that did nothing but cause hatred and death.
</div></div> yawn fucking yawn. Cruel horrible men is an opinion, much like saying that Fidel is a great man is an opinion. an opinion.


@Ash_Kaiser: Exactly, if Zimbabwe was handled rather than Iraq, then the motives would be the removal of tyranny. Iraq is all about lining the fat pockets of the bloodsucking corporate rightwing

 

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K to the G is spot on regarding Castro and Batista. Castro brought to everyone's attention just how horrible was the extractive economy imposed by the US. We had no chance to bolster Batista because the citizens of Cuba knew better. Our only option was a third party - sort of a "Meet the new boss... same as the old boss." That didn't look so promising. So instead, Kennedy tried to invade.

Oops.


The invasion of Iraq is another attempt to CREATE an extractive economy. No regulations means corporate profits can soar. Bush uses religion and terrorism* as an excuse to be there. It sounds better (to US Christians) to say "We're stopping the Islamic Extremists from imposing Sharia Law!" than to say "We want to control the region so we can make money."

I'm not a communist. At the same time, it wouldn't be so bad if large corporations could self-regulate profit-taking.


<span style='font-size: 8pt'>*Terrorism is a way to fight war when you have limited financial means. It's rather efficient and economical. No more evil than dropping bombs. Killing is killing. Is it really more honorable to kill a soldier than a civilian? Death is death. You're still wasting someone's kid (whether they volunteered or not).</span>

 

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I fully agree with the basic fact that killing is killing regardless of who is being taken out and death is death. Many people nowadays tend to think that the real enemy is in Iraq etc when are really in this country hiding and everywhere else too.

The ways of capitalism and the mighty dollar really make the world works and is a primary reason why things happens not the need to end terrorism. I think know just as good as I do that no amount military force will end terrorism or even minimize it, they only use it as an excuse. I don't talk about it much because people to think that I am crazy because of my theories that the government is hiding many things using basic things like war or peace talks when the government knows that isn't the real reason they go to a country. I want the truth from the government more than anything else but many people aren't ready for the truth and it is damn shame too.

 

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Actually he fits the dictionary definition of a tyrant, and the dictionary was around before neo-anything. And you only HAVE to say conservative media, because saying media alone implies liberal.

No, the point is that we as humans have to be fighting over something, and that's the most important thing. Until we blow ourselves up, we'll be fighting over something, and there'll also be some fool asking why we can't all get along. You're just that piece of the machine, not some bright light in the dark.

Actually, I'm bringing motivation into this, and sometimes the motivation is emotion. You'd be surprised how many people are happy to have our soldiers kill anyone who wants us all dead because we conflict with their ideology. I'm one of them.

Family and friends "dying" is a little different than family and friends being murdered in their places of work. (Dick.)

We may be politically allied but my point was you're sitting in a much less of a target than I am, and people have a considerably different view on things when they feel completely safe.

A bunch of armed people wearing the same clothes who want to kill the same group of people is an army. It's just harder to find out who they are when they decide to blend into the population. Just because the structure of an enemy is now different doesn't mean we should sit there and say "gee, what do we do now?"

I meant the general "you," as in "one."

It's always funny to me that the biggest defenders of Castro and Hussein and the like have never lived under them as a regular citizen. It gives them the luxury of thinking in hypotheticals and abstract terms. Meanwhile the actual people living under these leaders just live poorly and die, and don't often get to publicly wax philosophically about it as it's happening.

 

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Whoa, 75suited, you were kicked from #vfhome by Plague? That guy is horrible XD lmao.
Anyway, here's something I stumbled on today. It might make you laugh, it might make you sad, it might make you angry but hopefully it makes you think.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfFfUxBDMDY

 

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Wow I haven't checked this thread in a dog's age, but once in a while I search for my user name to see if anyone said anything to/about me. I just caught this. I'll check this vid from home.

Man I was intense in that previous post. This is why I don't join politics threads on here any more. It's a video game site; I don't wanna get upset or debate anything but frames and strategy. If I didn't still agree with 100% of everything I said, I'd feel bad! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Thanks for bringing the tone down, Tony. You're a good guy. Lots of other people might have jumped into the fray and restarted a dead argument, on either side. I'm sure this vid is controversial, and that's fine with me. Information is good, and it's the interpretation of information where humans go awry. If it's one of those conspiracy theories regarding the towers, however, I'm probably not going to get past the first 3 seconds of it!

BTW Plague was just teasing me when he did that but it makes a great sig. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

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WTF... seriously, wtf? I feel so bad for this couple's kids:

"3-year-old Adolf Hitler can't get name on cake"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28269290/?gt1=43001

 

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No doubt. Not to be negative, but i can't help but feel we have potential candidates for a school shooting down the road. You just know parents like that are going to serilusly F-up some kids over the next 18 years.

 

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I'm sorry, but I want to clarify some incorrect historical information.

Saddam did not kill millions. The worst atrocities committed by his regime took place during the al-anfal campaign, a campaign of genocide carried out against Iraq's Kurds. About 400,000 Kurds were killed. The U.S. aided and abetted the Iraqi government during this campaign by providing intelligence as well as the components to produce chemical weapons. Later the U.S. worked to obfuscate the reality of what was going on to the international community. Thanks Reagan Administration!

A million people died in the Iran Iraq War. Again, the U.S. encouraged Saddam's aggression and supplied arms to both Iran and Iraq during the war.

The Iraq War has killed more Iraqis than Saddam ever did.

 

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http://harryallen.info/?p=2177