REAL Kung Fu

I've been in therapy working on this.

 

Not this shit again.


EVERYONE KNOWS VALE TUDO IS THE ONLY STYLE THAT WORKS SO EVERYONE STFU

 

Of course, everybody knows vale-tudo is not a style...well, everybody except you. Vale-Tudo means no rules. Its a way of competing, not of training.

 

o relly? omg I feel so stupid now

 

Meatheads of the World Unite!

The Shaolin Monks have infinitely more style and artistry than those Inbred Troglodytes that do that Real Life Tuffman Contest shit.

 

Re: Meatheads of the World Unite!

I really can't believe I am still involved in this...
Then why don't we see the monks show up in their pajamas and try to fight? I agree, its neat looking dance stuff. I also happen to like the brutal ballet of an actual fight. The beauty of the early UFCs and whatnot is that it was a testing ground...it was what all these martial arts movies would make stories about - a raw competition between styles.

 

Re: Meatheads of the World Unite!

Vale Tudo

 

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a raw competition between styles.

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VIRTUA FIGHTER!!

 

Re: "You screaming that your gun jammed"

You guys still in this argument? don't you know we invented guns to stop this kind of shit? Stop this caveman bull shit and get with the ages.

 

Re: Meatheads of the World Unite!

Yeah. Ballet.

And Tank MacNamara is a fat, hairy ballerina.

 

Re: Meatheads of the World Unite!

full contact fighting is and has been evolving..
but i dont see a UFC style of fighting being very effective against a group scene.
if you're in a bar or street fight,, most guys will have their boys with them..
and similar to a fight at a recent bowling alley, a guy had another in a choke hold,, and then someone came stabbed the guy doing the hold ..
in another case.. getting on the ground leaves you really open to others to beat on you..
this is where the stand up striking really helps out more than typical VALE TUDO fighting.

didnt kazushi sakuraba beat all gracie's with his unorthodox wrestling style ??

 

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You guys still in this argument? don't you know we invented guns to stop this kind of shit? Stop this caveman bull shit and get with the ages.

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Stopping one form of violence for another, yeah that's getting with the ages lol! /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Seriously though,
Mma I see as a legitimate growing sport
(i.e see boxing, which is actually more dangerous! , statistically true) ,
there's no reason why some form of kungfu type moves can't be used in mma in some form just within practical reason, which I don't think that previous guy in the clip had much experience of.
No reason to cuss kungfu down though, it's artistic and looks amazing, specially in films, it aint easy to do either, world without kungfu = shitter

I don't think Sakuraba beat all the Gracie's they got a family like ants lol, but yeah Sakuraba he beat a few, including royce /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif , I'd say his style is more or less Mma /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



p.s
What the hell is the thread about anyways? 0_o
kungfu?, mma?, group fighting?, guns? Whats the best strategy for nuke deployment?
Oh yeah I remember entertaining clips, here you go: Mma aint boring : D

 

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Ok, I promise this is the last time I am getting dragged down into these arguments.
MMA - a form of competition, NOT A STYLE! You train different arts to become a mixed martial artist.
Nobody would advocate going to the ground in a group fight, thats just dumb and any instructor worth their bread will tell you that.
You have to look historically at kung fu and most traditional systems. They were made for battlefield combat with weapons all around. You had to hit and move, hit and move. If you went to the ground, you had to get up asap otherwise you get a spear or something through your head. What the general (and scary enough even the educated martial artist) think of kung fu comes from movies and their representation of fighting. I highly doubt that people in the battlefield were dropping into stances n' all of that crap...it would simply take to much time.
Sakuraba: He beat Royce, Renzo, Rodger...though it was not called, he did tap VERY early to Royce's guillotine choke in the first few minutes of their match, but because of the ref and whatnot, he went on to pound the living shit out of him. Sakuraba was a pro wrestler (shoot wrestler) before going into MMA.
video of Sakuraba tapping.

I don't think that anybody in their right mind will say that kung fu is easy to do or is not beautiful to watch...but rather it has not adapted and grown to accomidate for todays enviroments.
PS - Genki sudo makes violence look artistic...so does Nogeuira Minatouro Nogeuira breaking fools off

 

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I remember once some one told me that training in grappling would help me with self defence.

I just wondered, what good is someone wrapping their legs around me exposing their nuts for me to crack.

Maybe I lose the fight, but I'd get to keep my balls.

 

Re: Meatheads of the World Unite!

I hear Vale Tudo works there.

Vale Tudo

 

Meatheads of the World Unite!

Grappling knowledge might have practical applications in a prison setting. If you knew all those Gracey moves you might be able to protect your butt-chastity from being spoiled.

But in the real world, it wouldn't matter.

If you get jacked on the street, what are you going to do? Are you going to say, "Sir, I demand that you put down that gun so that we can settle this with a civilized man-tussle. Just give me a moment to change into my singlet."

By now we've established that Ultimate Man Tussling is neither sport nor art nor useful form of self defense. Just because there is a ref who keeps the Tusslers from biting, fishhooking, or employing the rusty trombone technique does not make it a sport.

But this doesn't answer the question, "What IS Ultimate Man Tussling?"

Is it simply a testosterone charged Goonfest?

Is it an elemental mano y mano spectacle featuring modern day gladiators?

Is the sausagefest that is Ultimate Man Tussling simply one the of the last outlets of homoerotic tension for the modern homophobic caveman?

Is its appeal similar to the appeal of other macho predilections like gun ownership, Hummers, support for the Iraq War, and hunting, in that these things all enable the fetishist to conpensate for his own perceived "short"-comings in the penis department?

These are hard questions with hard answers, but I think that once we understand the bizarre appeal of Ultimate Man Tussling, we will be one step closer to understanding the decline of Western Civilization in general.

 

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There are several styles of "Kung Fu" and 95% of those styles aren't meant for real combat. Most of these did have some combative elements a long time ago but not anymore. They still make a good exercice, improve your wealth, make a good acrobatic show, improves your "chi flow" or whatever. But this still leaves the 5% that do have strong combative elements. To bad that most of those techniques are banned from the "vale-tudo" style tournaments.

The UFC is a joke. The reason you won't see "Kung Fu" fighters in there is because the most useful techniques are banned. The rules for almost every "vale-tudo" style champioships give great advantage to grapplers.

There is a saying in "Kung Fu" that goes like that: "If your opponent can't see you he won't be able to fight (sorry but eye-gouges are not allowed). If your opponent can't breath he won't be able to fight (nope, you can't hit someone in the neck). If your oppoent can't stand he won't be able to fight (too bad you can't hit someone in the knee).

Wait, there's more:

No groin strikes, no biting, no small joint manipulation (finger lock), no fish hooks, no strikes to the back off the head with elbows, and much more.

You are not going to see any of those "dirty moves" in the "Kung Fu" school down the block but they play a great role in the most combative forms of Kung Fu - like Pak Mei for example.

Do you expect a boxer to win in a tornament where no punches are allowed? Well you shouldn't expect a real "Kung Fu" fighter to win at the UFC either.

 

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Well, as much as I have no clue about the topic of this thread, the videos people are linking are fun to watch, so keep em coming!

 

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So your saying that the only chance a kung fu guy has to win is poking someones eyes out and kicking them in the nuts? I must learn these ancient secrets of combat!

 

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a whole lot of ass whuppin!!!