Share what you've learned (VF related)

I've learned that:

-midair combos are everything
-guaranteed throw moves also mean guaranteed hit moves.
-The VF4E tutorial has everything you need to know about tournament fighting games.
-You CAN get high on SEGA. SEGA is a drug, GOD DAMN IT! VF5R IS PURE DISCO SHIT! I was watching it on Zoome (again, no proxy required) AND I CAN'T GET ENOUGH! IT'S LIKE THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF CLUB SEGA AKIHABARA! I'M HIGH, MAN! I'M HIGH!!! (Yes, that's what I am when I do it)
-This is a racism thread. Here, have some Coon cheese from Australia. At least it's not called Nigger cheese. (Not being raciast, just quoting Good News Week.)

 

This part confused me, don't remember there being any attacks with an exe of 8 frames in EVO.

 

He may have only started playing with VF5.

 

From what I know he hasn't played 5 but yeah if he has then that made sense.

 

As in there are attacks with 8/15 frames and over disadvantage. As well as a guranteed throw, there is the guaranteed hit with it. BTW, I HAVE played 5, but DEFINETLY not enough! Now that you mention it, I really would like an Xbox for my 18th...

 

I have learned that you don't need reversals or subaki's (Jeffry) or any of that bullshit to win. Also I learned that Jeffry is the best character of the game because his middle name is bounce. He eats fish regularly so he is the healthiest, not some idiot like akira who chow's down food faster then goku if anyone knows who that is (who doesn't). Point is, I learned that there is no point in choosing from 20 other characters because Jeffry has the best moves in the game, and without a shadow of the shadow's doubt, Jeffry has the best stance in the game, period.

 

I've learned to count frames during fights.
In a way, this has carried over to other fighters I play except that I don't go other fighter sites and actually look up frame data but I do little tests after guarding certain moves during certain scenarios just to see if I'm at advantage or disadvantage.
Frame counting in VF has helped me but if taken too far it can make you not want to try things that don't make sense "frame-wise".
Like, for example, lag fighters (players who take full advantage of lag) will try to 2P out of Guaranteed Throw Moves because, it works!
If they think that they're going to get thrown and lag will allow them to 2P out of a throw, they will do that and take full advantage of it. Somebody who is too strict about frames would not do that. It wouldn't make sense for a person who plays a frame-based game to 2P at -13. But if your opponent is at +13 and they backdash and try a launcher, your 2P will beat out their launcher (under certain circumstances) but if you ETEG, you'll eat a launcher. That's why I've learned to not commit myself to abare or moral.

I've also learned to be very careful of who to give advice to. Some people are really sensitive about their gameplay or their character (lol). If you happen to point out their character's strengths, they get very touchy about it and if you point out their weaknesses as players, they get touchy about that too.
But most players love when you point out strengths in their game and weaknesses in their characters /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
Everybody knows that VF isn't perfectly balanced and it IS harder to win with certain characters than others but still, there never has been and never will be a perfectly balanced fighter (except for Karate Champ) so why even talk to me about how your character is so underpowered when I know that you CAN win. It's not impossible BUT I do understand BUT only when it comes to 2 characters in particular and this brings me to my next realization:

I learned that Lei-Fei and Shun are the only two characters that I have to "understand" in order to fight.
Every other character, you can face at a tourney for the first time and do fairly well against if you're a good player.
BUT
Not Lei and not Shun. You HAVE to learn these characters. You HAVE to learn how to keep Shun sober and you HAVE to learn Lei's strengths and weaknesses BEFORE you face them, in order to do well.
Once you figure out that Brad's Slip towards his back leaves him at advantage on guard, that's it. As long as you're not attacking him during a stance when you're at disadvantage, you'll be alright.
Once you figure out to throw escape 4 when fighting Kage in an open stage and/or just try to keep your back towards the edge against Kage, you can do better against him.
But Lei or Shun, you have to have either some or a lot of experience just to hang with someone who's close to your level.
Learning "the game" is not enough when it comes to those two.
So when you lose, don't blame brokenness, Sega or the player who picked them. Blame yourself for not learning these characters... well, at least that's what I'm trying to do now when I get my ass handed to me by Lei and Shun XD

 

nah nah nah. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>FUCK THAT</span> right off /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

You damn right. Let's say for example a Lau uses 46p and its guarded. After guarding you attempt a pk and you get smacked by another 46p?

Should you? Really? So I should play along with the lag? I grow tired of attempting to guard an attack > punish, but it fails because "O CRIKEY! I LET GO OF THE GUARD TOO EARLY!" And whatever I was trying to react with obviously doesn't work and I get CH for big damage.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>THANK YOU LAG</span>

Things should be happening, but they won't. You'll attempt to TE something you'll see from a mile away, but where the hell is it?!? Wash this down with an incredibly shitty week, and the one thing you know you can do right, for some reason you can't... it's time to step off.

And throw Brad in that list of freaks.

 

I strive to punish -9 moves with DS and i admit it's hard to do, particularly online.

Unfortunately KoD's sandbox punishment list thingy starts at -10 so apart from the shoulder ram and the running knee i don't really know what else to punish

 

LMAO!
Coz, if you're getting hit with 46P after blocking 46P (tony stylee!) then you must not be reacting fast enough.
It's kinda like something I learned the other day, Kage's 9K is PK punishable but if you wait for him to touch the ground before you do your PK he can evade or 2P you first.
Trust me, I'm not making excuses for lag, but some moves are a little deceptive in the sense that we react to them a lot later than others even though they have the same frame disadvantage.

Take Lau's K for example, it's -5 just like 46P. I have NEVER connected a 46P after K gets blocked but I have connected with another 46P after just getting one blocked.
They're both -5 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

That is very true. Shorter guard stuns require quicker reactions. I get out of Sarah's FL 3k disadvantage sometimes.

 

I learned to keep my mouth shut when at -14 other players mainly 4th Kyu's could punch me in the mouth and walk circles around my corpse. When someone who cant beat me 'and Im a slouch' but wants the respect' that they deserve for being a 'good' player. I learned not to text KRS Jin for the Japanese word for 'asshole' because someone from Japan keeps joining my sessions in ranked. I learned that I just Love the game and want to play all the time against other humans, and enjoy the mind games. Yet on all my accounts I have complaints like 'overly aggrssive' in a fighter! come on, quit early....Niga please, aint no quit in me. Not supportive, Im always recruting people as soon as I see a sign of intelligence. But the biggest thing I learned Is about me. That when I was young, all my teachers were right about me. They said youre very intelligent but you dont apply yourself. I should be better, I should adapt more readily to my opponents. I use a stick and I'm left handed, actually ambidextrious. I should be off the chain.

 

1. I'm crying shenanigans
2. That's a hilarious observation
3. I still want a stick where i can use my strong hand on the direction inputs<--much more difficult than pressing the buttons. Hell, my left is clumsy when i brush my teeth with it.

 

Things I've learned:

1. My defense STILL needs work.
2. Still plenty of different styles to deal with, despite the currently barren VF land.
3. The majority of the scrubbers and laggers STILL run like little bitches when they can't cook their favorite spam.
4. I might need to start running away myself, I may win more matches -_-
5. This game is still more balanced than any I've played recently ('specially SF4...sorry folks)]
6. My arsenal is not yet complete.
7. Online Lag STILL ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!!!

 

i'm fortunate to have absolutely fantastic internet. But when the lag monster does show up it really is discouraging something feirce. Like i was playing cozby the other night. And i admit it he's still a better than me, and then suddenly his throw beats mine when he's at -6, and it is just hard to focus after that. You know/i know it goes both ways, but still, it is just disheartening and makes u want to turn it on.

 

Where is this?

 

You're still a better than him apparently, so anything could happen.

 

I've learned that no matter how good other fighting games are, they're not even close to VF's level.

 

Oh yeah! I agree.
Great word, glory.

 

I have learned that a healthy VF-life balance is just as important as a healthy work-life balance. I have learned that a leisure activity can transcend "fun time" and become a major priority in ones life. And lastly I've learned that i still have a love for video games, something that i sadly thought I had grown out of.

There are a million bullet points i could throw on here, but those are things that VF5 have illuminated more clearly, but since i am an intelligent guy, they were things i already knew, and therefor VF did not teach them to me.

ohh, and I have learned that Beligerent Feck is king of all trollers. Which i wouldn't mind if his brand of humor was funny. But to me its not. However, i take solace in the fact that some of you other people on here enjoy him, it blew my mind when someone suggest we all use his quotes in our sigs /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Lastly, and most importantly, and most most most suprisingly, I learned that an online community can act like adults, function in a classy manner, work towards a common goal, promote civility, and police itself. I find it LITERALLY "AMAZING" and i don't mean that as a hyperbole, that throughout the near year i've been on here this site has not degraded down to the lowest common denominator. Sure there have been some extreme outlyiers of bad behavior, but they are the exceptions!