Someone Tell Sega before it's too late.

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tonyfamilia said:

"I've got legs of lightning!"

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Well, there's problem number one. Jacky is being misquoted. No wonder your friends have problems with VF.

Now, I realize that dislike of voice-acting is perception-based - however I can't see how "Yeeaahhhh" is more annoying or cheesy than DOA fight openers. I've only played DOA (I forget which version) on PS2, but the openers seemed to be, like, let's insert random word or phrase here:

Boob-laden chick #1 "Hey! Yeah?"

Boob-laden chick #2 "Fiddlesticks! My toenail?"

Or something related to that.

 

YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!

Why don't you sleep on it?

 

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tonyfamilia said:

The problem with that is that in the struggle to attract new blood and more people to VF a lot of potential VF players get turned off by the excessive cheese.

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If someone rates VF by the voice actors: fine, the community does not need fucktards like that.

Sega is doing fine at every level (or at least every level that matters).

I like my cheese.

 

It saddens me a little that a thread like this gets more interest and posts than a thread around actual gameplay discussion.

 

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ice-9 said:

It saddens me a little that a thread like this gets more interest and posts than a thread around actual gameplay discussion.

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Most people here didn't play VF5 and won't have a chance to play it for next few months. BUT all of us can complain about movies we have seen /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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BUT all of us can complain...

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There in lies the problem with society.

 

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Sebo said:

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tonyfamilia said:

The problem with that is that in the struggle to attract new blood and more people to VF a lot of potential VF players get turned off by the excessive cheese.

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If someone rates VF by the voice actors: fine, the community does not need fucktards like that.

Sega is doing fine at every level (or at least every level that matters).

I like my cheese.

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This is the kind of mentality that keeps VF sales down. "If they dont like it then we dont need them."
Yes, we do need them, the more VF sales the more players we'll see, the more tournaments we'll have, the more VF arcade machines we will see in more places, etc.
The fact is we are the minority (those that care more about substance than style). Those other games that kick VF's ass in sales have cooler audio and visuals but less balanced, intuitive and complex gameplay mechanics. What I'm saying is that to win over these "style over substance" gamers (who, sadly, are the majority) all VF needs is a cooler style.
We already have better substance.

It's kinda like a really nice fat chick that says "I dont need to lose weight, I have a great personality and it's what's inside that counts". Yes, this is true but if she lost weight she would get approached a lot more. It's all about sales and if VF can keep the awesome gameplay and spice up the visuals and audio it would steal a lot of sales from it's competitors.

Sega is not "doing fine" in the one level that matters to every company, sales.
I know I'm hurting a lot of fanboy's feelings out there but I'm talking from a business point of view that would benefit all of us in the long run, dont take it personal.

 

Sega is a profiteable company these days and VF is their most profiteable long running franchise.

Case closed.

 

I think if people have been following this argument, it would be known that VF is catered towards the Japanese people. The voices sound fine to them, and VF makes more money in Japan than it can ever hope to earn in the US, so yes.... it's a chicken and egg problem.

If people bitch like this and opt to not support VF anymore just because of non gameplay related details, then there is even less of a reason to spend the time and effort to bring the game out here in the western world. Sega will only be convinced to change if somehow VF5 sells an insane amount in the US, and this kind of attitude is just steering the issue in the opposite direction, making the game geared even more towards the Japanese market with the way things are.

Compromises.... compromises.... subtitles is a good compromise....

 

I bet sega would hate to make even more money!

 

I bet they hate losing money too. That's probably what's stopping them.

 

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tonyfamilia said:
This is the kind of mentality that keeps VF sales down. "If they dont like it then we dont need them."
Yes, we do need them, the more VF sales the more players we'll see, the more tournaments we'll have, the more VF arcade machines we will see in more places, etc.

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Wrong. Did you know that VF4 on PS2 outsold Tekken 5? Increased sales != a bigger competitive scene.

 

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tonyfamilia said:
What I'm saying is that to win over these "style over substance" gamers (who, sadly, are the majority) all VF needs is a cooler style.

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If someone isn't sold on Akira and Goh videos, then as I say again, Fuck 'em. They wouldn't know what style is.

Beside even if they "fix" the voices so many people will avoid VF because it is "to~o ha~rd."

"OMG, I need to look for a yellow glow on hit in order to follow-up with that combo? I also need to know their foot position? I also need to know the character's weight? This is ridiculous!" (paraphrasing)

 

Whata more interesting is the fact that fighting games which are sold near the starting of a console release the more it sells..

VF5 should do really well no doubt... it's out before TK6, any new MK, SC and Street fighter (LOL).

 

Well...aren't you guys being a tad hypocritical?

I mean, first you say it's all about the gameplay, then you say that if Sega makes the changes, then the Japanese players may not play because of it. Or that fans love that cheeziness.

Well, if they are true VF fans, would they not still stay for the gameplay?

And as you say, VF is all about the gameplay. Would that really change if they add a CG intro, or ending movies, or fix the voices and quotes?

No, you'll still play whether they improve the voices or not. Hell, as VF fans, you'll stay whether they don't give the characters any voice at all. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

As for Sebo's comment "fuck em"...

Fighting games are all about the community. The more players we have, the more tournaments, the more chances for human competition, the better we'll get. It can only help the VF scene. I'm essentially reiterating what Tony has previously said.

But, isn't it also a little fanboyish to say that the voices and quotes are good the way they are? Granted, I'm loving Wolf's and Jacky's new voices...but some of the quotes and, of course, Lion's voice, are just down right bad.

Cheeziness=/=a better product. When something is bad, it's bad. Sure, you grew up with it, you got used to it, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still bad.

While I don't say to go as far as to change the graphical style, as I find VF's to be unique in the myriad of fighting games out there, I would like for them to drastically improve the audio and presentation.

I just don't see what's wrong with asking for a better product. As a consumer, it's our duty to do so.

 

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Poppa said:
And as you say, VF is all about the gameplay. Would that
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But why? People play VF to play VF. The people who already love this game (a big enough market for Sega) don't need more enticing. We already got bounce combos and panty shots, we don't need more.

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As for Sebo's comment "fuck em"...

Fighting games are all about the community. The more players we have, the more tournaments, the more chances for human competition, the better we'll get. It can only help the VF scene. I'm essentially reiterating what Tony has previously said.


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Okay, I retract that strong statement (I'm just getting personal for stupid reasons).

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I just don't see what's wrong with asking for a better product. As a consumer, it's our duty to do so.

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What's wrong? "Someone didn't tell Sega before it was too late." It is too late now, the voices are going to stick and it is pointless griping about.

Sure the voices bother me a bit, but they can be zoned out into white noise. I only care about gameplay which VF will continue to offer for who knows how fucking long.

 

Sebo - it is that attitude why VF does not have more players. The more players a game has the greater the opportunity to improve your own game play. Saying you don't want to improve your own skill level?

 

The right attitude is to support this game like the Japanese. Forget about the voices, and just play the game non stop hardcore.

It's stupid to expect any profit oriented company to cater to your potentially empty promises as a consumer. Just don't play it or don't buy it, you are just screwing yourself in the end by bitching about something that's not going to change.

How about using your head on something that might actually happen? Like online updates, more customized characters looks for people who made it into the game, online replays, saving replays in PSP watchable format, things like that.

How many of you people who complain about voices even know what the hell they are saying? At least some are in English, but you don't think that Japanese people think the voices of the Japanese characters are stupid too? Just forget about it like they do. No wonder VF doesn't sell well to the hardcore US players.

 

Srider I think you should be the voice for Eileen