STLVF: Dojo Ubetatekdashi(t)

Emx you'll hate me for sharing this but...

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Jacky could probably get 43ppp

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He can actually get a mC Beatknuckle.

 

hmmm....neva stopped playing,neva gave up on Mrs. Williams,waiting to break more necks, i finally have the time..........and its only going to get worse on VF5......The return of the REAL Vanessa

Like this?

 

Oh, I see Seth, no help on how to beat it with Shun. You know whatever it's cool I guess. We'll see who's coming to my birthday party and who's not won't we.

 

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luosnomed said:

hmmm....neva stopped playing,neva gave up on Mrs. Williams,waiting to break more necks, i finally have the time..........and its only going to get worse on VF5......The return of the REAL Vanessa

Like this?

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I know who you are mr.demonsoul or should I say red. Last time I caught you at gametraders selling your evo, like this? If your freed up come out saturday if you can? Oh yeah, you hear from badman or killbomb anymore? I would like to see the return of kage, jeff, and your van.

Holler back..

 

Amibatman: Chouwan?

 

Red-Hmmm our paths cross again in VF...Damn man you get around.didnt know you played VF though this is getting very ingteresting yeah I have another copy of Evo it yours if you choose to execpt? Let me know

Emx You ass is mine Wolf who El-Blaze yeah thats right Heavy weights mean nothing holla

Kam Oyaji are you playing this weekend? Good shit as useual more GOh when I come over I have to get a feel for the guy Its hard converting over for me anyways let me know if you have any more vids of 5 peace

amibatman you missed out Ha-ha

PRO-I hate you

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<font color="green">STL Saturday Night Main Event </font>

Once again another weekend rolls around and more and more are appearing regularly. Let's keep this going and welcome to all newcomers.

Players Attending:
4gotnkazma(Akira/Goh)
Kara-Killer(Lei-Fei/Brad)
Onyx Chameleon(Jacky/Lion)
Atlas(Shun)
SeraplisXL(Venessa)
Greg as himself(Sarah)
Amibatman(Shun)
Emx(Wolf/Jeff/Pai)

Other possibilities:
Zantetsu(Jacky)
DemonSoul(Vanessa)
LilAnt(Jacky/Brad)
TheMostUnknown(Lau)

<font color="brown">900 mph sugar packets are not allowed here. </font>

 

GGs all. / seemed to dominate everyone's attention. Understandable, given that it's the brand new hawt thing.

Steve - Good job figuring me out toward the end of the night. I'll adapt next time. DONT YOU WORRY, SHIT

Goh's improving, too. Don't get so caught up in trying to out-space -- you've gotta play the small range game a lot more. That's the main reason Jeff and even Pai were going nuts against Goh. The tech catch is nice once in a while, but don't expect it to work consistently. I was really autopiloting after you did that setup after catchthrow and it hit me like, way too many times. People can struggle out of shrm stagger, so mix it up between catch and a mid or something (not really sure).

Nate - Let me know if you want to get some Evo in sometime, since it's a lot more convienient for me to get out to your place than anyone else's basically.

Mo and Greg - You guys really gotta do some quest mode in Evo to start grasping the basics of the game. Once a week isn't going to be enough to catch up. Everything's there on the disc -- combo list, an extensive tutorial, defensive technique practice, CPU that actually punishes correctly and uses logical tactics, etc. Don't be afraid to ask anything, either.

Greg, good job mashing my head in with Faust and Slayer, too.

 

Re: Goh talk

Hi, STL. Nice to see the scene going strong. Props!

Since I've been working on Goh recently, I will add some info to help my fellow VFer, Steve.



GOH

Strength: a great throw game, good sabakies, sweeps, decent low throws


Weakness: Range Range Range. Very vernerable against backdash setups and outfighting(long distance poking game). Options in +14 or obove are very limited, meaning opponent won't be afraid of using launchers. (same goes for Van)





Useful Moves

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High, Mid. -5, -1,+3( guard, normal hit, counter hit)

Safer than Akira's P,P, but nobody really just frame throws after blocking Akira's P,P so it's basically the same.

On a normal hit, which happens a lot against who uses fuzzy guard after blocking a high P, + is great to beat a LP. This is one situation where your opponent goes for a LP out of reflex a lot. You can also make a use of + to sabaki it.

Once you discourage them from using a LP after hitting them with P,P. You can safely use your LP since it's only -1, and you know they won't use LP which is the only thing that will MC your LP. You can also simply out of it.


P,P on counter hit, you have +3, so it's a basic nitaku situation. People do attack(LP) alot in this situation unless they've learned not to. Your first option in this situation can be or a throw.





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: with Goh is basically a 1 frame slower elbow.The follow up makes up for it although due to the follow up, on normal hit leaves you at -4. When it gets blocked, throw out the follow up P wisely to discourage them from going for a nitaku. Once you condition your opponent to wait, you can out of it in the future or even keep attacking.

On counter hit, you get +5. It forces crouch, so you have nitaku with high or low throw. You can use knee against someone who mashes low throw escapes.






, +
: A 16 frame move that works as a launcher for Goh.
Use it after on counter(+4) or stagger, K stagger, Shouder ram stagger.

Use this move, a throw, and a delayed shrm for a three way guessing game(Santaku).





: A 16 frame move with a decent range. Useful in defensive flow(when you block a move that's -4 frames on block). In an offenisve flow, use instead.




+

One of the best moves Goh has. Beats punches regardless of frames. It creates a heavy stagger on hit. Your options include a dash in throw, a dash in low throw for someone who struggles and duck, + for someone attacks out of stagger, + for someone stuggles and uses fuzzy guard, or SPOD for someone tries to RN with a big attack.








-2 on a normal hit and +2 on a counter hit. In both situation Shrm will beat punches. Use it wisely as the flowchart is very well known.

This move is great for a wall combo. Use this move when your opponent's back is against a wall and do

, +,, or a ground throw for about a half life. You can mix this up with to really maximize the potential of it. You can do the same combo above on a wall stagger by .





A great addtion in FT. Safe on block(-4). Use this move to beat opponent's backdash setups such as Kage's +, back dash .





+

Goh's elbow sabaki. Very useful against Jacky, Lau, Aoi, and useful against Akira and Kage, Goh and Brad. A buffered throw is guaranteed upon a successful sabaki. You can bait an elbow against above characters by doing after a guarded.




+

Useful against Jacky, Lau, and Kage who like to rush on you with a PP string from a long range. Also useful to get a MC for huge damage against Lei, Aoi, Lion, and Van who like to use an elbow sabaki to get out of a disadvantaged situation.





How to fight with Goh

Use those for Santaku(a three way guessing game)

( in adv less than +4) or ( in adv equal to or greater than +4)

Any throws, preferably 270 foward P+G or HCB P+G

and a delayed + or a delayed SPOD


You can use + to beat a dodge, but it only give you 1 frame adv which won't be enough for a forced guessing game situation.



Use SPOD as a RN. It's the only move aside from Shrm that can do some damage on a normal hit. Shrm is harder due to the buffering issue.


Make sure your opponent is aware of Shrm. Once you discouage them from using punches, you open up more opportunity to land the elbow sabaki(+) or get out of a disadvantaged situation for free.



Use his powerful throws a lot. Encourge your opponent to break it in a midium disadvantage(+4-+6), and then use a delayed shrm or SPOD. His throws do enough damage to force your opponent to try breaking them. Don't choose the path of using a shitty throw when your opponent start using EDTEG. Make them pay by implicating a delayed SPOD or Shrm.





Feel free to leave comments or questions. I hope to see you guys in Ohio next month and play some FT+Evo.


Cheers,

 

Re: Goh talk

Maddy- That wall combo will definstelybe added to my repritiou of combos Im copying your post so I can refer to it whenever I amm thinking damn man your really good. Your situations , Im looking over and thinking of the many ways of imlimenting these strats. I have a question,dude what is the best option when in close and the oppenant is not frezzing up? Cause Tim Seth and Nate was just not afraid and fuzzy beats a lot of my force situations are they would just throw me are duck. Well i was about to rant but I cant explain the ass beating well enough from last night(SETH/TIM)Damn man is there any charecter that you dont have strats w/I really like the strats that you posted. man I really havent thought to use spod that much cause the way that ther playing me its hard to land a sqaure hit on these fuckers the way they fighting. thanks man and I look foward to playing you again I hope I can be somewhat of fun/challange to play against me. peace and I will definately be in touch for strats and genaral conversation take care man

Emx-God damn man you was beaten my ass wolf is dumb spinning elbows/Giant swing you hit me with those about 10,000 times dude and you were adapting to the force situations very well I quess what Im really trying to say is...HEAVY WIEGHTS MEAN NOTHING TO ME!!!! GOOOD SHIT OHH GOD GOOD SHIT peace and I will be in touch

Kam Oyaji-Well what can I say Tim your knowledge and analysis of the game and numerous situations on the fly and givin time astounds me every time I thought I had somthing you would kill it next round. How can I learn when you beat my situations next round. Dude I ned to play you and seth more cause you guys contrast so much and yet your styles are so effective and situation unbaised I hope I can get that good one day damn man what a hook up and everytime I play you renew my love and determaination for knowledge of the game peace man and Ill call you thanks for everything and peace

Amibatman-Dude youre a dirty cheater you dont fight you drink then you kill you need to check in to the rehab clinic cause you have problem. Good shit man your sooo much better man keep up the awsome work cause your improvement is evident and thriving keep that shit up and see you ...Next week?

Mo-come play so we can get a lolt better and fight Tim and Seth the legion of dumbness cause the situations they force are not fair I will elaborate more later peace

Everyone else-play more

Slash wasnt that fun *cough*

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Re: Goh talk

Steve- just wait till Vf5 Shun can get 5 drinks inbetween rounds instead of 2 or 3.

Tim- Lei Fei was sick as hell, never seen him used like that, but then again I haven't played Rob's Lei Fei as much as I've played his Brad.

Seth- We live so close yet we never play. Your right we should hook up sometime but right now my only real time is Saturday. I'm busy as hell lately, school everyday and working 24 hours a week leaves me with almost no free time. But only 4 more weeks of school and I will be free almost all the time. I'll let you next time i'm free but It probably won't be soon.

 

Re: Goh talk

steve: a great thing to try against in close non freezing opponents would be backdash poke such as BD 3 K+G (goes under a lot of things), BD 66 K, or just work on your frame situation understanding, you will find yourself questioning your self understanding what to do in said situations a lot better because the frames will help you there. I'd prolly find Maddy's advice a bit more helpful since he is most betterer.

 

Re: Goh talk

In VF, as you know most situations are forced nitaku ones, which means if dis adv +2 or above, fuzzy is not an option.


When your opponent keeps attacking in dis and not freezing up ever, you need to stop that madness with beating that RN with a fast enough attack. Like mentioned before, use 3P in any situation less than +4, and use 66P in any situation above +4. That will stop your opponent from attacking back, and then you will just have to choose between a throw or a delayed shrm or SPOD.



Beating fuzzy in neutral or +1 situation is not easy. There are not any set rules you can do to beat it. It takes some conditioning and a twisted mind game to beat a strong fuzzy guard in nuetral situation. Since your opponent is not forced to do things, it's just that much harder for you do to the correct thing.

 

Re: Goh talk

Your strategies for Goh is for Evo?

Hey! You haven't reply to my pm. /versus/images/graemlins/tear.gif

 

Re: Goh talk

What about if some wants the space and is backturned running and what not *Cough TIM Cough*

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Re: Goh talk

Hey, Danny. My appology. Check your PM.

The strategy was for Evo+FT btw.


Against ARM, carefully get close to your opponent by crouch dashing forward. When your opponent is in the sidekick range, use a side kick or any long range attack to hit him out of ARM. ARM is weaker in FT, but this strategy works even in Evo. The key thing is you should be patiently approaching and never let your guard down. Some characters like Kage has a long range low attack from backturned.

 

thnks yall

4gotten- im kool the copy i traded in was a xtra copy that was given to me for x mas, by my girls mom lol.

Tim-hard for me to make it out, even on weekends. so much shit goin on right now it aint even funny......

 

Re: Props

Man that Hook-up last weekend was so tight

Tim-Man GG's go to you in both VF and Slash, don't worry I'll bet you get hella better once you get the game for yourself I'll try to help you the best I can.

Emx-Damn Pei was looking pretty beastly. I'll get you next time

4Gotten-(scoffs)GG's in 3s on both Sun and Mon.(I hate you)

 

Thankyou

STL-
Thankyou to all who came out and participated in last weeks gathering. I know alot of you are really busy with school, work etc. and I just wanted to let you know I appreciate everyone who helps out with rides and all for making the trip. Without all of you the weeklies wouldn't be as exciting. Thanks and this saturday it's on again. Post up and let me know who's all coming and we can arrange rides etc.

Maddy-
Thanks for the goh information.

Sidequest-
Whomever is up to see silent hill on friday lemme know. I will be taking my wife and it would be cool if all of you came along to have a goodtime.

SATURDAY JASMINE IS ALREADY 1 AND SHE WILL BE CLOSER TO OWNING YOU ALL IN VF. /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

Re: Thankyou

Kam Oyaji-Thers a secret charecter thats about to return not saying who though just waiting for the right time I let you know later

Maddy damn that shits golden , I started going through quest as per seths recomendation and its wworking damn fine so cheers and I owe you later

EMX-Yeah I will have by the end of the week peace be there so I dont have to download the shit myself and so I can learn to break GS peace

PRO-Kill you self

Amibatman-You better be there

Later

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