Suggestion Board [U.S. keeping up with the Asian VF players]

hey new people of vfdc! here's your chance to be cool! all you have to do to fit in here is doing the hippest thing to do now, which is to diss the nyc players. remember kiss ass kiss ass kiss ass! /versus/images/icons/wink.gif

creed: i like how you anylize every single detail, you just cant do no wrong eh, always gotta be right eh. anyway, i DO beleive internet and real life should be treated equal, but there is always going to be some exceptions, the problem is people cant tell when something being said was serious or not. for example, just dont say bad stuff to someone you never met unless you are prepared to say it to their face or are OVBIOUSLY joking. that's my philosofy.

about the type of friends i prefer, that's just my preference, sorry it doesnt match yours.

btw, could you just stay out of ANYTHING? trust me on this some of your "friends" agree on me on this, you just HAVE to stick your head on everything, jesus!. and btw, you are wrong on all what you said about baobao, read my post again. (to bao, im just trying to clear some stuff dude)

anyway, i aint writing another beast of a post like that (mike, im ok hehe /versus/images/icons/grin.gif ) and i stand by what i said, go ahead and hate us, like we give a fuck. theres a reason why i wanted the NYGs to be invite only, i knew they were people that just didnt understand our way of thinking. anyway flame on! its amusing reading it and i bet you guys enjoy some good flames /versus/images/icons/smile.gif no further replys on this subject from me, i said what needed to be said.

 

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and also that log shoulnt have been posted, it doesnt tell the whole story, so people like proff would take the wrong impression. it just makes NYC look bad. all planned i bet. nice going. you have done more damage to the usa vf scene by posting that. its none of your business.

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it's not the whole story, but it's a nice cliff's notes. anyone who walked away with the impression that a) andy is an asshole troll or b) that nyc doesn't like tournaments for retarded reasons and c) that getting them to travel anywhere is like pulling teeth, then no one got any wrong impressions. btw you're doing a great job on d) that nyc are so goddamn full of themselves, among plenty of other negative impressions. that "only place for vf3" is such a pathetic joke of a statement it's hilarious. are you really that deluded and self-absorbed?

and you and andy's logic is so utterly fucked - what the fuck did you think people are going to say - "my heavens, that andrew is a spitfire! through him spitting in my face and his nauseating hypocrisy and vomit-inducing 'logic', i want to go play him! yessir, nothing induces those competitive juices like being treated like shit!"

and hey, ever notice the other dozens of logs that go back almost two years showing how much of an asshole andy is? do NOT turn this around on me (you said you weren't replying to me, but who the hell else would you mean?). a wider group of people get to see first hand and in full just how much of a shithead troll andy is and how fucked up some NY people can get and you blame me for making NYC look bad?

 

Everyone needs to just take a step back and calm down. At least for me, I don't come to VFDC to read about drama. I get enough of that in real life. I get on versus city to read about Virtua Fighter and NOT about Real Life Fighter. Seeing that we are slowly degenerating as a community is not only disinteresting, it saddens me.

I have to say that it's wrong to have any sort of presumption about anyone's skill or what not simply based on superficial things like "Oh they live in NY, or Oh they went to korea!" None of that stuff should be of any concern. There is no point to think that Florida have somehow "gone to the next level" just by a simple trip to korea. Look at all the other handful of VFDC people who regularly visits Japan. Do we seriously think people like Zerochan have become chibita-like just because she plays in asia regularly? NO. Telling people on a forum how good you are is not only useless, it creates the opposite effect. Many people on VFDC flaunts extravagant words saying how they will kick people's ass in VF. I can expect that everyone who reads this right now don't give a crap about anyone who does that kind of stuff on the boards. The only way for anyone to know how good someone is is through playing them face to face.

I understand that having to travel to play VF is a pain in the ass. Not only does it take sacrifice in time and schedule, it puts a serious burden financially on an already sometimes frustrating hobby. Sure, there are those of you who think flying to play a game is ridiculous. Then simply DON'T do it, but don't flame other people for doing something they enjoy. All of us like to do certain things other people think is stupid. There is no point to have to justify those action because it's simply what each person like to do. In the case of TiT, why would anyone of us miss such a rare opportunity to meet all kinds of new VF players at such a big event? Why would any of us give up on that chance and go to NY to play only a few players. Especially when it's just playing a few rounds of matches that have NO meaning and proves NOTHING. Even at tournaments, giving other people a hard time to win ALREADY shows that you are in the same league as the other player. Losing a match doesn't automatically mean you are an inferior player, it just means better LUCK next time. When NYG3 took place, there was no fuss from any of us about going to such a great event. Right now, TiT is the big event. Surely when the next NYG comes along, many of us will make it to that event.

Everyone needs to settle down and put away any kind of prejudice towards other players. There shouldn't be any reason for anyone to have to promote THEMSELVES, or prove anything for that matter. The only reason people would do that is because they are being IGNORED. The fact that you think people need to PROVE their worth is because you discredit and ignore them. Thinking that FL had to prove themselves mean NY have been ignoring FL. Now the table may seem like it has been turned, because FL people have brought new experiences that we all would like to be a part of. It would be WRONG if FL now starts to ignore NY. There is no point to be jealous, I for one don't discredit the NY players just because of FL team's korea trip. I'm sure very soon people will forget about it and it won't mean a thing. Heck, if anyone of us participate in the next VF tournament in Japan, they will also have their 5 mins of fame. Just remember this is only a game, using VF as a reason to garner attention is simply sad. These people needs to get a life and maybe turn off VF for a second. It's true that our ultimate goal is to get better at this game, some of us want it more than others. Until you reach a level where you outright dominate people like they don't know what does, winning a match or a tourney here and there does NOT mean a thing. It's why we continue playing this game, because of the competition, because we know we are not GODLIKE in this game, because of the uncertainly, the FUN we have. I'm sure if you think you reach the level of god in VF, playing this game anymore will be meaningless for you. I sure don't want to reach that point. Hopefully people will become more humble, and enjoy the friendly competition and fun that VF brings us. Don't ruin this game for people because you can't find a way to blow off steam in real life, and finally, stuff we say online matters. Else don't bother to communicate online if you don't think it matters, or you are just being a hypocrite.

p.s. /action eagerly await for March 13th to come.. (or maybe even March 3rd!! /versus/images/icons/wink.gif

 

Here here Ninjasan...holy fucking a...its a GAME...yeah, we can all be dicks once in a while during our lives...but isn't the main problem with VF in NA the fact we still have fewer venues for playing...why eliminate any of them..hell, even if you don't like one person but like the majority, your hurting yourself more by refusing to go.
Still, man, with all the crap in the world, do we really need this?
Edit: fuck it, I missed your point completely but mine still stands.

 

holy crap MD

learn not to skip next time u silly hopper!!!!!! XD

 

"I don't come to VFDC to read about drama. "

LOL yes you do! /versus/images/icons/grin.gif

 

I bring you people a message of love, love LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE.
Make love not war(insert gay joke here)people.

 

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Edit: fuck it, I missed your point completely but mine still stands.


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LOL josh. /versus/images/icons/grin.gif Don't make reply when studying for a test next time heheh. You're still the best though. /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif

 

Friends, Rivals and Enemies:
Those that know me have seen that the only side I take is my own so although I present Andy's reply below, it doesn't mean that I side with NYC or anyone else. My path is the true path and all that stuff. /versus/images/icons/tongue.gif

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I’ve never ever read a thread with more inaccuracies on VFDC ever. I thought I would try to construct a reply based on concrete facts that none of you could refute. First off this thread beginning with the log should never have been posted in the first place. Look how many people jumped in that had nothing to do with it, Proof Jerky etc. It doesn’t concern then and is none of their business. Even worse is that it was isolated to IRC and it was directed toward one group of VF’ers, why does it belong here for “entertainment†purposes on VFDC? So people can take sides without knowing the whole story?

Let me start with this one fact, last time I checked we lived in a free society. Now while we have certain ethical standards to adhere to in RL we should have a certain standards in our behavior online. Lets look at this, I always keep things in the realm of VF, What I talk about is VF, I flame about VF. VF is a GAME. This persona is my game persona, similar to getting into role for an actor. Is there some IRC posting guideline that says flames can’t be posted or directed to someone? You may not like my approach but who are any of you to say I have no right to say what I want too. What it looks like to me is that everyone else is trying to create a “perfect†and nice VF society without realizing that you should accept every one. Just like there are activists, people of all nationalities etc. They have a right to believe their approach is what works, and so I do and this is just something you have to accept and is not up for argument.

If you don’t like my online “game†persona in this community, ignore it, plain and simple, but don’t tell me I don’t have a right or should not act a certain way. Just like that log shows my conversation was with Team Hydra. What business does everyone else have with it?

Lets look at the Boabab situation

Before creed posted his quote look what Boabab said:

“let's see, adam is going away this weekend...i'm sure
he'll be able to fly to FLORIDA NEXT weekendâ€Â

You also have to know I was privately messaging him to plz wait till I made my point, and the conversation did not concern him, I wanted him as a NY’er whom we have been very friendly with to stay out of it. He is obviously also trying to make me look bad. So who’s the troll? The comment was wrong as I had already said, “WE†as in adam, Rodney, nelson and I wanted to go to FL and had already discussed it the same day. In fact it wasn’t even my idea. I had been talking for at least 30 minutes directing everything to team hydra.

Look at all the wrong assumptions that were made as a result of a private log being posted here. If you wanted to talk damage all of you Llanfair, myke etc. are responsible for causing more harm than good.

Everyone will always feel like they have to be “nice†all the time online and like there is some invisible set of rules where you can’t flame anyone about VF. IT’S A FIGHTING GAME.






In reply to Llanfair first and foremost, you asked, What did NYC do for the NAVF scene. Sal nicely replied that since VF3tb days NYC has done more for the scene than anyone else. This is definitely a fact, NYC has done more than host 2 NYG’s what you forget is that during the vf3tb DC days we hosted many smaller events like VT/VG which myke from Australia participated in. We hosted lots of small events for people like emil, ice-9, and Peter. Where do you think these guys stayed? At a hotel? We have been openly hospitable, like the TO players have been and still are. Are these not contributions we make that deserve the same credit as writing some hokey pokey faq or writing something online?

Lets take some real contributions to the scene for VF4 since you brought that up. We have done more than our fare share (Chest beating on).

In 20 degree weather we put up over 200 flyers in a small area with lots of Japanese and Asian people in NYC. Do we see anyone else putting up flyers in this scale to play a video game? We tried to set an example.

We printed movelists from VFDC and hung them on the machines.

Later on we actually BOUGHT a versus city setup for use at the CTF arcade and then we ran around buying stools. We also maintain and fix the machine, like broken buttons etc.

We each under Nelson’s plan have chosen to pick and mentor certain players in the arcade scene.

When guests wanted to come down and play VF4 with us we openly let them stay at with us.

I burned match CD’s of Japanese clips and categorized them by character and gave them out to players.

And we hosted the only two version C events in NAVF. And to Myke’s dissatisfaction my apartment was involved in one and my time in managing/correspondence and donating equipment to the other.

Frankly now I am sick of hearing this, what have we done crap. NYC and myself has done LOTS for NAVF scene. These are contributions that take hard earned time, money and resources, do I see anyone else willing to do those things for VF4 only or has proven to do these things? NO.

It’s easy to complain all day, but when you let dozens of players crash at your place repeatedly over a few year span, you host multiple events, you even buy a versus city setup for use at an arcade, do you think I’m going to let any of you take that credit of REAL world contributions away from myself, adamYUKI or the members of our team who help out?

Now let me bring up myke’s nice little “WE†Sorry myke but you are wrong, all of you idiots seem to keep using my name, now you should differentiate between my approach and our teams end goal. As a “TEAM†it is WE, its not me that wanted to go down to Florida to play 1 on 1 with Team Hydra.

Period on this subject you are wrong.

Remember, all of you say GIMME GIMME GIMME, now how many of you are willing to and already HAVE been the givers instead of the takers? The givers are in the minority. All you guys do is criticize. Whats worse for the VF community, a group of people who criticize all day or an overzealous VF’er?

I remember once an overzealous VF’er whom no one seemed to like his approach. I defended him and his teammates. Those were Jedi, Blonde1 and IMF. When no one liked their approach I defended them against rsw, creed etc. I invited them to NYC Frolic. I knew they would lose, but I also knew one of two things would happen, with the attitude they had they would either become very good or quit right away. That was my initial positive impact for the NAVF scene. Sure they may have changed their tune and become different. But did anyone step back and realize they needed someone to befriend? Now that Florida is good Creed and everyone else wants to suck their balls, but where were you guys when their approach was different and you were all insulting them? I swung the pro Florida bat BEFORE they were an ESTABLISHED scene; the rest of you slung insults at them and hoped they would just go away.

I don’t care if you don’t like my approach. Just don’t say there’s no place for it, and don’t say it doesn’t have its audience or I don’t make positive contributions, because you are 100% wrong about that. Just ignore it and realize that the flames are in the realm of VF only and until you make as many contributions just look the other way and ignore it, as long as it’s not directed at you.


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I wont us bee frend..pwease be frwend.

 

Cough

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I’m really only posting because my name has been mentioned and the way it was mentioned implies a sort of tacit approval or collusion with what’s been said.

First. I think it would be wrong for people to automatically assume that this is a #VFHOME rant on VFDC. #VFHOME is a coat of many colors and no one is elected and appointed to be the pope (with the possible exception of Dodee, kind and generous he); so please, in much the same way that Andy and Sal believe that this is an unfair or non-contextual (or at least in no way a full representation) part of an argument, consider that #VFHOME is no more likely to be happy with gross reduction. I’m not suggesting its occurring just cautioning against it occurring.

Second. Andy, in much the same way that you want to be able to act the way you act online and feel it shouldn’t impact your “real life†status or that this form of contribution shouldn’t be minimized I think you have to consider that when you put yourself out there the way you have you must expect a reaction. If it’s not the reaction you want, well….that’s the roll of the dice. The knife cuts both ways and to say that we should just ignore you instead of “taking arms against a sea of troubles†is just nuts. Or at least you can’t rail against what you perceive as people sticking their nose in something that doesn’t pertain to them (“What business does everyone else have with it?â€Â). You make it a person’s business (or group in this case) when you involve them, even indirectly, by holding forth on a public channel. Want it to be private, move to a private room (see #4 for the problematic side of this solution).

Third (sort of a re-addressing of something dear to me). A public rant is public. #VFHOME is a public channel. The fact that the venue or medium changed is hardly a new approach or wrong. You said it yourself, it’s a free society the corallary of this is that people are free to conduct themselves as they choose. A choice was made. You either believe that there is freedom to act or not. It really can’t be a “when it suits me†proposition or it’s not free. You justify and validate your behavior and you can bet others will do the same for their own approach. “there’s the rubâ€Â. If no-one has the right to place value, small or large, on your profile in this world then you need to realize the same is true for yourself.

4. I have always been uncomfortable about the use of so-called “private logs†to illustrate a point. And that’s the only part I take side with Andy on. But, really, refer tothe second and third point for a dismantling of that argument. Which is sad. “Everything is permissible†allows for some crazy stuff.

GE
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People who play VF in Florida-

IMF: Akira,Kage
Blonde_One: Jacky
Jedi_Fei: Lau, Jeffrey
Stompoutloud: Shun, Lau, Pai
DRE: Akira, Kage
Cappo: Pai
Ghostdog: Aoi, Akira
Axel: Jacky, Lei_Fei
Enkindu: Wolf, Kage

Piccolo, all these guys play VF, and are members of TEAM HYDRA!!!

Anytime you wanna play us, drop me a line. Im there team manager. Ill look for a place where you can stay while you visit. We play VF all the time. All of us are pretty good. Two of our team members went and competed in a korean tournament recently. Other americans could have gone, but for many reasons, they choose not to go. I think we are a good team, if you would like a challenge come play us some time. We would love to have you.

 

OK, I feel the need to post since I've been brought up in this thread.

Jedi Fei: Thanks for the invitation, man, you guys are great and I'd love to take you up on it sometime.

Sal: "next topic. nelson, aka baobao's beef with andy in irc."
For the record, I have no beef with Andy.

"well, im gonna have to agree with andy on why he told you to shutup, first of all you were making the dude look bad man!"
Sal, if you believe "I" was the one making Andy look bad, you should probably read it again. I'm not sure how I was dissing Andy while he was ranting. I was talking to him the same way I talk to everybody on IRC, bad jokes and all.

"were you pissed at him before?"
No Sal, not at all. I'm not pissed at any of you guys. Just kinda, disappointed.

"andy also told me that he was private messaging you to stop/wait up till he makes his point, yet you kept on going."
If he had a point to make, he had PLENTY of time to accomplish it, and I'm quite sure it could have been done in a better way.

"i dont know why you took that "shutup" THAT seriously."
Ya know what, neither do I. It could be because I was sick of watching him tear into a bunch of folks who had already said 'no' quite politely. Or maybe it was because his complete lack of logic during his 'point' that grated on me. Or could it have been his total and complete arrogance that I've seen online many times that finally irritated me. But I think it may have been a little of each /versus/images/icons/wink.gif

"just that nyc gotta stick together, na mean /versus/images/icons/smile.gif "
I understand that Sal, it's very important to be tight with each other. Unfortunately, I have a problem with the way Andy treats people online. It's kinda icky, and shows a lack of empathy and respect for others.

I'm glad you gave me your honest take on this Sal, I'm looking forward to the next time we can play at CTF.

Andy: "If you don’t like my online “game†persona in this community, ignore it, plain and simple, but don’t tell me I don’t have a right or should not act a certain way. "
You have the right to act however you want in a public forum, and to suffer the consequences of doing that. If you had been privately reaming on FL crew, then you might have an argument.

"You also have to know I was privately messaging him to plz wait till I made my point, and the conversation did not concern him, I wanted him as a NY’er whom we have been very friendly with to stay out of it. He is obviously also trying to make me look bad."
Again, "I" am not the one making you look bad. If you think it's me, you have a whole truckload more ego, self-righteousness, and blind ignorance than just about anyone short of our President. As for me staying out of it, YOU were talking in a PUBLIC forum. If you didn't want anybody butting in, you should have been PMing them. You had no point, Andy. They had already said they couldn't host.

"Everyone will always feel like they have to be “nice†all the time online and like there is some invisible set of rules where you can’t flame anyone about VF. IT’S A FIGHTING GAME."
I dunno, Andy, I do it more out of respect for other people. Like I said before, act however you want online, but don't turn and try to play all super innocent when things turn foul because of your "charm".

"So who’s the troll? The comment was wrong as I had already said, “WE†as in adam, Rodney, nelson and I wanted to go to FL and had already discussed it the same day"
FL Crew had already said they couldn't host. imf already said they couldn't because they were busy WORKING that weekend. Then later, Jedi Fei reiterated that they couldn't host. If trolling is cutting your conversation off that had already been decided, then I guess I am a troll.

"Before creed posted his quote look what Boabab said:
“let's see, adam is going away this weekend...i'm sure
he'll be able to fly to FLORIDA NEXT weekendâ€Â"

If people want to read what I said, the whole log is here: Log

Andy, Please don't throw a single line of out-of-context text into this discussion. If people want to know what happened, let them see the whole thing and make up their own mind. Of course, that means the same should go for everyone else too.

I like everyone in NY Crew, you're a great bunch of guys. If this is how you spark *competition* in others, I really want no part of it. See you guys at CTF.

 

All these thick cloud of self-justification and Freudian defense mechanism aside,

I sincerely believe Andy should stop and think: Why am I so talented at pissing people off? (No more of online/real life persona argument. Jerky is a good example here. He had nothing againt Andy before he met Andy in real life. Then his opinion of Andy changed 180 degrees, just to illustrate Andy's "talent".)

Why am I so talented at making entire NYC group look bad? Why am I hated by such a diverse group of VFers all over? Why am I being laughed at even by NY's own players? I mean this is a just a game for cyring out loud. Of course, this possibility is so horrifying even to consider but: Maybe, just maybe, there is an iota of possibilty that there is something wrong with ME?

My post here is not as verbose as Godeaters or Myke's or CreeD's. Just one more thing needs to be said from my POV. Florida crew gained respect through their own effort, not through someone who would like to fortify his fragile ego by giving himself too much credit, while anchoring his insecure persona behind other people's names.

 

Hi~

I promised myself I won't get involved

Lord knows how I spoken to both parties n told both parties ' it's ok...relax...dun post back...is best...be good to ur own health..dun get angry prz~~~~'

Alas~

here we go!

(this is Andy replying to Hyun)


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Just one more thing needs to be said from my POV. Florida crew gained respect through their own effort, not through someone who would like to fortify his fragile ego by giving himself too much credit, while anchoring his insecure persona behind other people's names.

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CrewNYC: tell him thats PURE BS. Hyun didn't like FL, RSW didn't like FL, NONE of the vets on VFDC liked FL
CrewNYC: Who gave FL a chance and defended them? This is a fact you can't take away. In that list of stuff i've done above, what have you done hyun that can compare?
CrewNYC: I wanna know
CrewNYC: hyun is the biggest troll EVER
CrewNYC: tell hyun over the span of the last few years you have said you dont like my approach and that you would not come to any more NYC events?

What happened at NYG3? You came to one of our events. You benefitted from an event I spent 50% of the time organizing
CrewNYC: Nice, at the end your just like everyone else who likes to compain but does nothing even remotely close to what I have in real world results. You go out there and HOST some events, buy some japanese sticks for the arcade, split the cost of an EVO board, even just hang some flyers up or burn some CD's.

You see I dont take credit away form you, but you always try and take it away from me. Do I give a shit? No. Cause people like you will always complain, say you wont like to come to our events, and what happans? I see you at the next big gathering that you know I spend 50% of the time organizing. Nice, way to go hyun.

I did a quick search under hyun_ and all I found was you giving out shit and more complaining from you
CrewNYC: if anything you are just as bad, or even worse cause you have nothing to really back you up in things you've done to try and help NAVF


the main point is when FL acted like they had something to prove NONE of you on VFDC would have made them feel welcome in any of your events. I, because I understand what they were going through, cause I recognized they were hundry for competition and I welcomed them into Frolic to give it to them. Everyone reading this knows early on, no one would have made FL feel welcome on VFDC, IRC etc. BUT there will always be more blonde1's who will say they are the new hotness, who will post agressively and piss people off.
CrewNYC: none of your asses would probably be friends with FL (except a few) cause you were too busy banning them from IRC and flaming them on VFDC up until the end of NYG3! The topic on VFhome was even Blonde1 wins NYG3 thousands mourn. It was only when NYC and FL came into a tif that any of you started to really communicate with them.

And that is all Andy wanted to say~

Thanks for tuning in....till next time~

(I would like to inform everyone the original point of this thread.....the irony~)

 

You guys are both tards /versus/images/icons/smile.gif ...You're both saying "calm down" when that simply translates to "take other people's shit and smile."

This is an intervention guys. It's the "keep hope alive for Andy to grow out of adolescence" fundraiser. If you don't want to chip in, that's fine, but don't try to stop others from giving Crewnyc the shit he richly deserves. If going Ghandi was a successful tactic for dealing with Andy, it would have been used years ago. But it's not, so we have to go Osama.

Anyway, sorry to have to say that. You're both my fucking hero, you know that =D

 

btw, could you just stay out of ANYTHING? trust me on this some of your "friends" agree on me on this, you just HAVE to stick your head on everything, jesus!

Funny you should say that. When a guy bans me on irc, I'm <font color="gray">'sticking my head in'</font color> by trying to deal with that.
When friends of mine are direspected or threatened, I'm <font color="gray"> 'sticking my head in'</font color> if I defend them. When Andy goes out of his way to piss off people (but me specifically, look at the private messages) I'm <font color="gray">'sticking my head in'.</font color>

But when you give your point of view on things, (a perspective that's full of asskissing and halfassed misread bullshit) ... somehow that's NOT 'sticking your head in'?

You're breaking one of the primary rules of Sal Logic by sticking up for your friend, Sal. It's none of your business, remember?

As for me always wanting to be right... from the things you say it seems like you're determined to be wrong. You couldn't be more wrong about Andy or Nelson. You've been wrong about Blonde_One forever. You're wrong about the Florida crew owing jackshit to new york. You're wrong about me sticking up for my friends because 'they whupped my ass in VF'. You're also wrong about me not having any business talking about this shit. At the very least I need to jump in to point out some of the lies and bullshit coming out of new york.

 

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which means, for one thing, that the others who you say have no business commenting in a public forum on logs from a public domain medium are free to say that they think you're an asshole.

bao and GE said it better than i could - you're free to act the way you want, but if you don't like the reaction, then tough shit. you reap what you sow. even the most socially retarded among us can understand this, but you don't seem to.

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In reply to Llanfair first and foremost, you asked, What did NYC do for the NAVF scene. Sal nicely replied that since VF3tb days NYC has done more for the scene than anyone else. This is definitely a fact, NYC has done more than host 2 NYG’s what you forget is that during the vf3tb DC days we hosted many smaller events like VT/VG which myke from Australia participated in. We hosted lots of small events for people like emil, ice-9, and Peter. Where do you think these guys stayed? At a hotel? We have been openly hospitable, like the TO players have been and still are. Are these not contributions we make that deserve the same credit as writing some hokey pokey faq or writing something online?

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what the fuck do you want, a trophy? are you so utterly retarded that you think you were the only people to host "smaller gatherings"? get off your high horse and open your eyes! i can't even COUNT how many smaller gatherings there have been and how many scenes have and do organize - toronto, florida, boston, vancouver, VA/MD people etc etc etc. i see these things being organized all the time on irc. if you think that by doing the same thing so many others have done gives you the right to claim that you were somehow single-handedly advancing the NA VF scene then you are such an arrogant, myopic, self-absorbed asshole it's truly unbelievable.

as far as VF3 goes, go have a look at the tournaments page on VFDC. NYC only comes up a relatively few times - and fairly late in VF3's life. wow, truly progressive! true pioneers!

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Do we see anyone else putting up flyers in this scale to play a video game?

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not really, because burning money would be a more a quicker, more effective waste of it. don't play the martyr here with worthless and ineffective (and also illegal or completely not possible in many places) stunts.

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I burned match CD’s of Japanese clips and categorized them by character and gave them out to players.

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say, where's the much vaunted DVD from NYG3 - for which people actually paid money for, and which was used in part to pay for equipment for the half-assed buggered up tournament you had - and of which people have yet to hear anything about?

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Later on we actually BOUGHT a versus city setup for use at the CTF arcade and then we ran around buying stools. We also maintain and fix the machine, like broken buttons etc.

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you mean the EVO which you don't even want to play? sounds like money well spent!

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And we hosted the only two version C events in NAVF ... When guests wanted to come down and play VF4 with us we openly let them stay at with us.

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much like i said before - excluding NYG3, your definition of "event" probably includes the same sort of smaller gatherings i routinely see being organized. STOP jerking your ego off.

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I swung the pro Florida bat BEFORE they were an ESTABLISHED scene; the rest of you slung insults at them and hoped they would just go away.

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...and so now you treat them like garbage and spew your trash talk and lame ass challenges (all of which are pretty impotent and utterly transparent bluffs) and your mental masturbation jizz all over now - and everyone else. sort of makes your past attitude towards them pointless...if it was ever valid and true in the first place.

you, as always, are totally full of shit. you are still an outright liar and a spin artist, jacking up half-truths and playing the martyr. you do nothing to answer anyone's main points and questions. and more than likely you will continue do to all of that, as well as alienate other players, and nothing you have said here comes within a millimeter of justifying any of your actions online.

 

I swung the pro Florida bat BEFORE they were an ESTABLISHED scene; the rest of you slung insults at them and hoped they would just go away.

I just wanted to point out that everything you think you did "first" you either didn't do first, or didn't do at all. Ask blondie or imf if you were their runner up for Florida's MLK" =)

And no, I don't want a cookie or a medal for that, I think it just illustrates the benefits of being generally decent towards people. Of course... if you haven't gotten the picture by the age of 20, all the illustrations in the world probably won't help you now.

Anyway, why is it important for you to be recognized for giving due credit to florida? I think you just sense the fact that you lose all credibility if you can't somehow align yourself with them. It's ironic when you go so far out of your way to write off their obvious VF ability with "florida owes it all with new york" and "their tournament win doesn't count cuz it's all about gathering play" and "I was the first to call it! I knew they'd get crushed in korea!"

Do florida a favor and don't even pretend to be their friend, having you for a friend is like having a shitstain on a nice suit (i.e. an embarrassment).