Tekken vs VF game - be interested or diss it?

If there's some seriously nice tag team moves, then yes, but only because I'm a sucker for team attacks.

 

We know the creators of Tekken have enormous respect for the Virtua Fighter series. Especially how technical, precise, and smooth the animations and fighting system and mechanics are in VF. I'm sure AM2 would be far more in charge of the mechanics and style of the game because of this respect from Namco. Namco would be smart to move over and let AM2 handle the fighting game system.

Namco would certainly have input, of course, but after they've praised and borrowed so much from the VF series in the last couple of years it would be a tad hypocritical of them to believe that they could produce a better versus game (or should have more than equal input). We also know that Namco has approached Sega twice in the past with very serious offers of versus games and twice AM2 has said 'no' very firmly. So obviously AM2 thinks something is missing or a compromise between the two games would be a disaster. Or maybe Sega/AM2 just is moronic.

It's not like Namco and AM2/Sega are enemies either. They certainly worked together when Namco licensed the character card, customization, and ranking features for the Tekken arcade games based on the VF4 model. So they've cooperated quite well in the past.

That being said, the VF series is better than Tekken, without question. VF is better than Tekken in almost every aspect with the major exception of casual appeal. If the game is meant to be a casual game then I don't think AM2 would even allow the game to be made as it would water down the VF brand significantly and tarnish the series. They've turned the idea down twice already and that might be why.

I would hope that Sega would never sell out the VF brand and have Kage and Wolf fighting giraffes and zebras and animated trees and washing machines or whatever 'interesting' character designs the Tekken team creates. No matter how insane or ridiculous the customizations of the VF characters become (I've seen Virtual On outfits, lightning wristbands, Naruto themed intro poses, E.Honda intro poses for Taka-Arashi) it's still just outfits and win poses, and not core game-play.

With all that being said...a Tekken vs Virtua Fighter game would most definitely clear the path for VF5R/VF5FT to make its way onto consoles.

The odds of this happening are looking better than they've ever been though.

 

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Sorry, but you're wrong. Neither game is superior. Comparing VF and Tekken is like comparing SF and Guilty Gear: they have similar aspects, but they execute and apply them differently. It simply boils down to preference - which game style do you prefer to play.

Which leads me to my actual point...

@Akai:

Truth is, I was sugar coating the point. To state it bluntly: why would a cross-over game which was meant to generate renewed interest in VF use the less-popular game system... which in this case, is VF.

It makes more sense to create a Fighter's Megamix-style game.

 

How about a five button setup?

Keep the left and right attacks from Tekken because they're very intuitive. I think that's part of Tekken's success, the button layout just makes sense. It seems very natural when you are playing the game as you can control each limb.

However, throw in the block button from VF so players can apply all the wonderful uses of that button (PK cancels, clearing the input buffer, etc...) on top of the left and right attacks. I feel like hold-back-to-block is somewhat antiquated compared to the many uses that VF's block button has.

I feel a block button makes more sense in a 3D game. Leave the hold back to block to the 2D fighters where it makes more sense in the mechanics of the game, where you're trying to cross-up and confuse the opponent as to which side you will end up on. In VF it's more based on the Mid vs Throw mix-up, so the direction you have to be holding to block is less important.

I'm sure it comes down to preference though. I'm sure not all people will agree regardless of which way they were to go.

 

Why not make it so that VF characters use VF controls and Tekken characters use Tekken controls. The only real problem is movement.

 

How about a six button setup?

I wholeheartedly agree with Gernburgs' post, Tekken's control scheme appears to be very intuitive, 1 button for each limb, makes sense. Guard on a button makes more sense for 3D fighters, that's also convincing. Just throw in a tag button and the control scheme can fit in the traditional layout of a 6-button stick.

 

SuperPanda?

Can you really wholeheartedly say some games are not better than others? You make it seem as though games are all "made good" and players decide whether "it's good" or "it's shit".

Are you going to sit there and say Clay Fighters is a better game than KOF? That King Kong on the 360 is better than Call of Duty 4?

 

I think that's how it is. A game is made and the players decide if they like it or not.

 

Again: There's only one right way to do a game like this, and that is to make an entirely new fighting game with it's own mechanics and transplant it from there. Not only will this make the most sense for both series in order for them to retain their individuality, it's also the best way to make the fans of both games equally satisfied or dissatisfied.

 

Eh just do what Crapcom and SNGAY did,
have both companies make their own versions.
Granted....noone would play VF's version.

I would love to see an Eddy Gordo VF style though.

 

Employees of Namco have stated that Virtua Fighter is a better series. Flat out. I believe the quote was "Tekken cannot be on the level that Virtua Fighter is". Not only that but Namco approached Sega/AM2 and payed for the license for the rank and character customizations. They pay much attention to the VF series and rarely do you see AM2 return the favor.

How can you possibly argue that any aspect of Tekken is better than Virtua Fighter? Be very specific. I want you to name and state what exact aspects that Tekken are arguably superior to Virtua Fighter. And do not dodge the question with your lame pathetic attempts to retreat from your arguments such as "the games are apples and oranges". Put your money where your mouth is and objectively and critically show that any aspect of Tekken is better than Virtua Fighter.

The problem with Tekken fans is that can't accept that Virtua Fighter is better in every way. Just because VF > Tekken doesn't mean that Tekken isn't good. T6BR is a good game. But it's not nearly on the same level a fighter as VF4,EVO,5, or 5R. You seem to read "VF > Tekken" as "Tekken sucks" which is not the case.

And how long have you been playing Tekken or Virtua Fighter? Your join date leads me to believe that you are highly unfamiliar with high level Tekken and Virtua Fighter unless you spend night and day studying the games that is.

I've been heavily playing VF for nearly seven years and I've been playing T5 and TTT since they came out on the PS2 (though I stopped playing those Tekken games after two years elapsed). I even picked up T5DRO on the PS3 and put in 3,000 matches in between Jin and Yoshimitsu in Ghost Mode and online (though T5DR Online is painfully awful).

This is a dumb point. During the VF4 era the VF series dominated arcades in terms of popularity AND VF was the deepest most complex game as well (VF4 is arguably the deepest fighter of all time). If a versus game was proposed then (not that you were playing VF or Tekken at that time anyways) I'm sure you would have complained about VF's engine being inferior to Tekken's.

The difference between VF4's and VF5R's system isn't that dramatic. Some things are slower, movement is handled differently, combos are more expanded (though less stance dependent), but the core game play is still the game. It's still a very comparable system. A superior fighting game system to Tekken. And that's why it would be the preferred, and really, only accepted system for a versus game.

VF4's system was the deepest and most popular during its time. VF5R's system is very similar thought not as popular. Both are better than Tekken 6BR's in every facet.

Virtua Fighter > Tekken *




*with the exception of casual appeal because Sega has yet to have zebras and pandas take on robots and wizards and animated filing cabinets or whatever.

 

You're just being retarded. Plenty of knowledgable people prefer Tekken's gameplay over VF's and their opinions are as valid as yours.

 

I have to agree with NovA, as I said I don't think you can just sit there and say games are only as good as the players think.

 

Nice language. Also just because they prefer it one way doesn't mean that that way is deeper or more complex or more balanced.

HDR is certainly better than SFIV but most people are playing SFIV now. So because SFIV is more popular than HDR that automatically makes it better?

 

I liked this thread better when we were talking about the controls and story elements. Not which game is better.

BTW Panda:The Tekken Missionary. Who do you play with in VF anyway and could you give me some Vf tips for Goh.

 

Please re-route all delousional fits elsewhere. No one really cares about which size and shape you prefer your titties.

It's all a matter of preference.

Kamais stop hacking my account

 

Uh huh. And how would you expect one of the defining features that make VF5 so good, that is, unique yet balanced characters, to seamlessly integrate 10 Tekken characters, much less most of them? VF with Tekken characters isn't VF, so your point is moot.

 

Nice fanboy rant, but no.

I really don't need to go into details. We've already gone through that route in another thread, and much has been discussed in other forums such as SRK. If you think one game is superior to the other (and we're discussing the current iterations), it only means that you're the one that lacks any real knowledge.

As for me playing: I'm an '00 at TekkenCentral. I was an '01 here (my nick was Akira... something. When VFDC was dressed in blue), but I stopped visiting when TTT hit, so I've forgotten my old details (maybe a mod can help, but I like my new nick, so it's no big deal). I've also been playing both games since both their first iterations (Yes, I'm quite old).

But really, how is my history relevant to my question? I merely asked: would you play the versus game if it didn't play like VF?