The MMA thread

First Consider....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgrC8XfrL18&feature=related

Then Consider...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KbjMcwLu94

Now you know....

 

yep yep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZWHCEIw0D4

on the Playstation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCe0Oo3C30w

 

Kung fu vs Muay Thai
http://crane.50megs.com/index6d.htm

 

Whoa, thanks for the link, that was really interesting. When I read that Benny "The Jet" Urquidez lost twice and never fought another Thai boxer again I was really wowed. I don't know how true that is but it sounds awesome, lol.

I was really surprised to read that Don "The Dragon" Wilson beat two Thai boxers. I don't know much about him but I thought he was all show, just an MA actor and that he didn't actually get in the ring.

This paragraph really made me think:
"Bajiquan, the art of the 8 extreme fists, the traditional Kung Fu that I'm learning is visionary in the sense that it emphasizes on the development of all 8 parts of the human body (head, shoulder, back, hips, hands, feet, elbows & knees) to their maximum. It is a pure martial art & has no sport aspect in it at all. A true Baji fighter can strike with any part of his body at various distances with great force generated from the earth (rooting). That is why it is a protected art for many centuries. But even so the neglect of 2 important parts, the feet & the knees is still common among its exponents. If we were somehow able to incorporate such conditioning techniques from Muay Thai into the Baji system, then Baji would indeed transform into the perfect Kung Fu system - one that will be able to face, if not overcome Muay Thai. The same could be said for Sanshou, as well as many other practical styles of Kung Fu. So far only Kyokushin Karate & Kickboxing, both Japanese inventions, may qualify for this honor. All other striking arts are still way behind."

Wow. What if?

Another thought-provoking paragraph:
"Kung Fu has been operational for 4000 years not solely because of the genius of the Han Chinese of the Central Plains, but it also benefited from the tenacity of the fighting tactics of surrounding 'barbaric' tribes such as Indians, Manchus, Mongols, Turks etc. Being invaded & conquered by small tribes through the ages proves that learning from the strength of others is not shameful, it is a necessity for continued survival & a sign of magnanimity. If there were any time to wise up, it would be now, at the brink of the next millenium. Do so before the Thais throw us even further back in its evolution of Muay Thai. Some say that the perfect martial art is a smooth integration of Muay Thai & Jujutsu. I believe there are merits to this belief. Already many western NHB fighters have combined Boxing & Wrestling to great effect. Perhaps in the future another 'Bruce Lee' will lead our obsolete Kung Fu/Wushu to that stage of development? If only he had not died so young; till then let us continue learning as openly as we can."

It's a damn shame that Bruce Lee was so hated by some of his own brothers too stuck in their ways to see just how valuable he was to MA but hopefully some other Kung Fu practicioner breaks as free from tradition as Bruce Lee did and takes another form of Kung Fu to an even higher level.

Evolved Bajiquan Akira FTW!

 

What he failed to mention is if there is any full contact sparring in Baji. Its the hard sparring that seperates Muay Thai from a lot of other arts.
On an off hand note, did you watch Contender: Asia? Holy shit talk about an awesome final fight.

 

Possibly but.,.,

http://www.wongkk.com/general/videos-muay-thai.html
and
what about fa

http://www.martialarm.com/martial-articl...ial_Artist.html

 

The techniques there are so laughable that I can only see them as comedy.

 

Wow /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif you really must be good!

You can only see the techniques as comedy? I had no idea that we had fighters at
your level on the VF message boards. Comedy?

So I guess any mention of Jet Li in Fearless is totally out of the question /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

 

Maybe not comedy, but lets say low percentage moves...something you may hit .01% of the time you fight.

 

No beef with that, its just that at some point its not clear
In-the-ring, out-of-th-ring, full-contact vs no-contact,
vs on-the-street-he-has-a-gun vs etc.

Of course muay thai is the deal, but the traditional martial arts from China
were effective in real life and death situations also. Maybe they are not good
as sport. But there are techniques in Shaolin kung fu that can save your life
and take the life of another if necessary.

 

Ok dude, I don't want to turn this into a shit fest, but lets look at some of the underlying problems. 1) The guy throwing the "thai kicks" was doing his best impersonation...they did not resemble anything that a trained professional would throw. Hell, Brad throws more realistic kicks. 2) Any move that requires you to be exact within inches and move about 3-4 times before doing anything is going to get your ass kicked. Think of it like this. If you can train something and learn how to apply it a few times and then spend years perfecting it OR you spend years learning a move and then more year perfecting it - which do you think would be more effective? 3) Someone with a gun? WTF. You honestly think your gunna pull some swallow yanks my nuts with crouching monkey throws feces before someone blows your head off? 4) Anything you can do in the ring you can do in the street, usually to greater effect. 5) If you do not spar under conditions that will put you under mental duress, you have no idea if your pirouette spin into giraffe bitch smack will work or if you will be mentally composed enough to do it.

 

I TheWorstPlayer approve of this message.

This is coming from someone practices one of the most non combative martial arts as a profession. The primary reason
why almost any martial art works is because of the conditions
you spar in. Do you spar to hurt someone or not? Reason why I
say this in my martial art there are many capoeira schools (like
95% of them) that have no interest in actual fight conditions.
However when a muay thai practitioner I know, fought against
one of th 5% that trained to fight he gained a new respect for
capoeira.

Now capoeira is still the LONG way around to combat. I'm just
making an illustration. Keeping that in mind though a martial
art is only as good as it's practitioners. That being said when
people say capoeira is crap for fighting despite knowing AWESOME
fighting capoeira fighters. I agree. By NOT sparring or
conditioning to fight you automatically crapize your martial
art despite how deadly those techniques may have been.

 

Win.

But yeah anything in those videos hardly equals the hard sparring that thai fighters do on the regular. This, as has already been stated several times, is a HUGE reason for the gap.

 

Shadowdean,. I agree with you for the most part.

I'm just saying sometimes its apples & oranges when comparing
muay thai, various styles of xiaolin wushu. Those chinese
martial arts were extremely effective in certain situations
or they would not have lasted for hundreds of years.

Yes! when you're in the streets and you life is in danger, you do
what you have to(and the more training and hard core sparring you've had the better).

But.. Some martial arts develop the mind as well as the body.
Some martial arts have a spiritual component that helps you to
win in other arenas in life. Not every contest is one with physical violence.

When saying that muay thai, kickboxing, jujitsu, etc is better than Xingyi, tai-chi chuan its helpful to put some qualifiers
on the statement.

Perhaps you already did that and I wasn't paying attention. If so I apologize up front.

Full Contact, Ring based matches, hard sparring, The F!@$ing elbows and knees win! No beef with that.

On the other hand some of the chinese martial arts, especially the ones from xiaolin have more than just the fighting component.

But on balance I agree with you (even on the analysis of the video /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

I'm all for talking about whatever you want. Most every time I see these kind of discussions, one of my favorite quotes from this board comes to mind...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you actually fight? If you don't, sorry to be rude but STFU.</div></div>

 

Yes all non combatitive martial arts can also be called funky aerobics.

 

I'd say there more art coming from the martial element.

 

Yep!

 

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