There's life left in VF5!

VF4:FT >>> VF5R > VF5. If VF4:FT was online capable (keep improving those emulators!) I would have never even played VF5 beyond 100 matches. I know that newer (or post VF4 era) members can obviously spot that 5R is a better game than 5 Vanilla...but 4:FT is still the absolute peak of fighting games and is second in competitive games to only Brood War in my opinion. It's that good. The best 3D fighter, or fighter in general, in almost every aspect is VF4:FT.

That being said my 4:FT board gets far less play than VF4:EVO on my PS2 simply due to Quest Mode. And speaking of Quest Mode, I have 500 matches with every character, and over 20,000 total matches in Quest Mode (that's just VF4:EVO and not PS3/360 VF5). One of these days I'm going to copy my save file from my PS2 and upload it to VFDC so everyone can have a mostly unlocked file for all character items right from the start.

 

Ok no offense Happy Friend but I gotta call you out as a hypocrite on this line. If myself or other strong players join your game you will likely leave EVERY TIME after just a few matches. And when I say a few I mean like 2-3. If you stay longer it's only cause your trying to be nice and not get shouted out here on VFDC about it. Don't believe ok when's the last time you played Denkai, Slide, Gentleman Thief, me, DaBadSeed, Social Ruin, VFNumbers, man this list can go on for days...

It's simple things like this why we don't have enough good players to go around. If beating up on scrubs is your thing fine, but don't sugar coat it by saying you have a hard time finding matches... finding what kind of matches? or should I say what level of matches? When ever I see you hosting I don't even bother joining because I know in 2-3 matches your gone any way. The sad part is if you win the first match you will stick around, but if you lose the first or the second then you tap out.

This is what I mean by a lot of people like VF, but do they really love VF. If you love fighting games and you love VF then you wouldn't be running from competition. You would be embracing it.

Really man I think you are a good player with untapped potential, but you really need to stop cherry picking and put your back against the wall sometimes. You might be surprised who you can knock out when you are forced to come out swinging.

 

Rodney, I avoid GT, and the last time we played I left because you were using DMPK a lot. The other guys I have played with or I haven't seen them for a while. I have played sorta long sets recently with Social Ruin and Numbers.

I have played long sessions with Bad seed whenever he was around and they were pretty fun. I have played a number of sessions with Denkai, though sometimes I will leave earlyish if I don't feel up to the concentration, but generally I like playing with him (minus the Shun ) tough though he is.

And I will play with Flash as long as he is up for it with my Lau or Jeff. Or I'll play with Dennis.

Between the last times we played and my posts about troubles with Ultra-D I see why you might think I cherrypick, but it isn't really accurate.

 

That thread is right here.

 

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In this same fashion VF5R should be the competitive game, not VF5. There's really no reason to compete in VF5, aside from the fact that we don't have the latest version. I mean it's great that you want to keep the community alive and excited, but the analogy you used is just poor.</div></div>

Well, we can agree to disagree. While I understand that the expansion aspects of SC and War3 are indeed the current version that they all play, the point was more around the age of the games. Had I rephrased my comparison to VF5 to DC/War3 without mentioning VerC, then it holds. I think there's something to be said about games that maintain a competitive base regardless of their age. SC and War3 are excellent examples of this.

I disagree entirely that there's no reason to compete in VF5 when VF5R exists. I think you're failing to remember that many VFDCers played VF4:Evo well after VF4FT was a no-show on consoles. And if I compare the "scene" when I put my VF4FT in our Toronto arcade to when it was VF4Evo, I'd say there were less of us playing FT. So the new version was not a means to maintain the community. The issue was that we stopped running tournaments. We stopped investing the same amount of time we had for Evo into the community. That's what made it die down, not the game version.

Let's hypothetically look ahead to WCG 2010 in Los Angeles. IF VF5 is included as a game, are you saying there's no point in competing because people play VF5R in Japan? Fuudo could give 7000 good reasons why VF5 VerC at WCG is a worthwhile event.

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None taken And you could be right - i truly was inspired to play by simple osmosis from those around me at WCG. It's moments like these that can help resurge the community, mind you.

 

VF isn't poppin' cuz. I really can't stand playing an outdated game by myself and having a lack of competition. I'm gonna be 5'6'' forever if I keep playing VF. I'm diggin T6 and SF4 now and I have enough good players around me to keep me happy and goal-oriented.

 

Yeah Me and GT got a Long ass session in on VF5....I just love playing against people who are serious and not the dickheads who wastes people time trying to be funny. Hey Konjou next time your on lets get a session in 25+ matches lol!!!!.

 

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade? Don't get me wrong I want VF5R as much as the next VFDC'r but quitting won't make the game come over quicker. I too have been inspired but my inspiration came from the good players I play online. I mean even Darth plays this game online and as far as I know his rep in the VF community isn't too great. That ain't inspiration I don't know what is ya know?

 

When it comes to inspiration, I have to agree on Konjou with this one, Fuudo who plays VF5R but comes down to play VF5 is very inspirational, darth online pressing 8kk all day isn't I agree with truesonic though about the fact that quitting doesn't achieve anything, so what are you gonna do, play VF or tekken?! I think that if half the people of vfdc that posts around here were actually playing at a regular basis online it'd be much better then half people in tekken, other half in modern warfare 2, couple percent vf.

There life left in VF5, efforts need to be made though, less complaining and more playing.

 

There's a difference between quitting and waiting. I never quit VF. I'm simply waiting for the next version to come out.

It's not the end of the world if it never comes out. Opinions can be expressed. You can't expect everyone to be on the same page.

 

I may get banned for saying this, but I played Darth's Lau last night and it was, all in all, not such a bad experience. He used Lau's 8kk a lot, but it was my fault for not punishing it at first. Then when I did start attacking after it... he started blocking! Darth does learn, even if it is at a glacial pace!

There are user friendly, but still punishable, aspects to Lau that make him a better char for our Lil' Darthy.

Two Caveats:

I am on the East Coast. Our connection is hit or miss (as oppossed to always bad as it is with some people)

-and-

I have blocked communications with him. If he wants to say something he will have to let his Virtua Fists do the talking (usually they tell me to spank him).

 

I stopped playing VF5 ver C because, some aspects of the game started to get on my nerves the better I got at the game, and then when looking at R and seeing all those issues fixed it left a bitter taste in my mouth. Also, looking at VF4 evo and seeing that some of those things weren't even in that game, it made me wonder.

Then combine that with the fact that the numbers were going down, it just gave me less reason to play. I like a variety in players, too. There's always somebody you can't handle, no matter how good you are at a game, that's what variety can bring btw.

And uh, I also got VF'd out cause I played it too much, and just got tired of the same old thing(due to falling player variety). There were games more fun at the time, and then right now, with my random available time, Tekken is crack, so is modded fallout 3 and L4D2.

What can I say.

 

just curious bro...

what were those aspects?

 

I would be in support of this movement if Sega actually cared about the community outside of Japan, but they don't, so I don't really see the point of it.

I mean, one of the reasons why Starcraft has stayed around so long is because Blizzard actually gives two craps about the worldwide community, and even though they haven't put out a new version of the game since Brood War, they still care enough to tweak the game over all these years. Unfortunately Sega does not care to put in that kind of effort for VF, which is why we're left in this situation. :X

Even in Japan I think they're not doing enough... new version updates (not revisions) usually include character tweaks, but with version C, nothing regarding the actual balance of the game has been included. It's just been a whole lot of fluff that really only appeals to the hardcore crowd of the game.

 

The biggest thing would be some inconsistencies on the hitboxes on some key moves.

Then there's 12f and 0f throws, the former, which kind of waters the forced choices down IMO, and the latter urks me because it's instantaneous. With 12f throwing I think the window for fuzzying enlarged, and with throwing upped to 12 instead of 8, the dire need to escape a throw is down a bit(cause it's not guaranteed yet).

-> And you know how the guessing games expand when your opponent put themselves into a guaranteed throw attempt situation - those types of games are endless. Delayed float? etc.

...now that type of game doesn't begin until -12 with the guarantee throw, at which point you get unstoppable strikes for punish anyhow so why even throw - unless you're Wolf, Kage, or Goh or somebody.

Then there's the randomly skewed risk/rewards. Couple with how 0f throws work, some characters have access to damaging throws that come with short commands that flow into their movelists, while a small amount of others do not. R fixed that too, by shortening some of those commands with 0f being in place like that.

Buffer? Yeah I know, but I'm just sayin.

Then there's the walking movements of some characters being a lil bit too fast outside of stepping movements. So it can sometimes take away the actual need to get your cool movement techniques on(doing the extra unnecessary now).

I guess I can't really explain it. Sometimes it just seems very difficult to narrow your opponents options down to make your decision making easier. Seems like there's alot of random variables, you can't even begin to narrow down and force. In the end, yeah it's all about getting that read though.

R fixed all this though.

 

I had this silly notion a couple of times that you don't like to stick around when you're losing. I remember me playing you with Lau one day when I was on a roll (no, not tooting my own horn here, I fully understand that I'm not great at VF but every once in a great while I have days when I guess right more than 50% of the time during matches) and you left after 5 or 6 straight.
I was extra dissapointed cuz I love Lau mirror matches
I even remember back when Brad use to give you a lot more probs than he does now and you didn't stick around long then either, lol. It is kinda funny how you stick around WAAAAY longer when you're either winning or breaking even

Nothing against you as player cuz I appreciate your style but I had to chime in on this cuz it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth when players only stick around when they're either doing good or breaking even, juno?
You know me, I stick around. I fight. There's none of that "ooh I'm not winning, lemme run away" b.s. with me. I take my whoopings and hope to learn from them after the smoke clears.

Anyway, I really hope that this isn't the case and that you're not one of those kinds of players cuz that would suck. I think you're a cool cat and that you more than likely do not have a sensitive, Darthy-like ego.


On topic: It would suck if everybody woke up tomorrow and didn't want to play VF anymore but I would STILL play it. I would play the hell out of Quest mode and I would still try to learn all of the characters. I would continue to try to learn advanced techniques... that I can't seem to apply in actual matches but still, I would play. I <3 VF

I have put a lot of people on to VF, some of them stick with it and others can't get past the learning curve but they all agree that it's a good game. VF isn't for everybody and I'm comfortable with that because I have to be. I do believe that with a lot more exposure and a lot more people trying to show and teach the game to others the community can continue to grow slowly. The sad part about the fighting scene right now is that the top fighting games you get more for less. Less time and effort and more reward than other fighters is something that VF can not offer.

 

Since when was messing about online considered vf?...

 

Alot of folks here love fighting games period. So is no surprise alot of VFDC players are playing other fighters. VF5R ruined it for alot of us. You know how many times I try to do some R combos in vanilla 5 by mistake? Alot. Love the game to death, but I love the fighting game genre to much to let other fighters slide. If VF5R was out, alot of us here wouldn't be playing BB, SFIV, T6BR and the two people playing KOFXII.

 

No Wai!

I commend your dedication bro but honestly I play fighters for competition. I'm no LA_Akira but even at low levels of play the motivation is the same. I may not try to be the best but damnit I want to be able to beat as many people as possible.

As "many" being the key thing. In that many I mean the scale better, worse, rollers and schleps. It helps keep my level of play in perspective. When there's only X amount of people playing in the US and not XXX it's a serious downer.

 

I can count the amount of people playing in Scotland on one hand.