Third FS Offtopic: Fighters History...

Oh my bad man... Thanks for the compliment though.

 

Damn, Gernburgs... nice post.
I think you're right, gotta agree

 

Thanks Tony and CJA.

It's really frustrating to watch what they're doing, it's pretty painful at times.

I wish they would listen to us, just once, maybe they would see what we see if they just tried.

 

Yeah I can't imagine a Street Fighter or another 'big' fighter not coming to the states or Europe (except for that SF that came out for the pc some years back).

Console gaming is the way of the future now. I mean companies that make FPS games for the pc have been or are starting to make games for consoles and are porting and polishing some games. They know that they can't keep games from a certain audience if the fans want it. FarCry, F.E.A.R., Wolfenstein, and even Crysis 2 coming out for the 360 are prime examples.

Sega has done a great job polishing VF5 up, and it would be great if they decided to share it with the world. I agree with you Grenburgs, but either 1 out of 2 things are more likely to happen:

1. - Sega eventually releases FS to the rest of the world, but no one really knew about it because of how secretive they are, so it ends up being released under the radar.

-OR-

2. - Sega keeps silent and continue to keep the rest of the world out of the loop.

Sure we got a response for them, but it sounded like they were responding more to the Japanese fans rather than the rest of the world. I mean it does sound like their merely working on the arcade version first and then the console version, at least that's what the answer sounds like. But it could also mean that it won't come out. I mean what conditions is Sega talking about???

The way I see it, the only real quality fighter was released other than VF and poses a real threat was SFIV. Blazblue, while it is fun had a gangload of infinites and I felt it could have been playtested more and polished more. Tekken is- well, Tekken is Tekken. The online aspect is ok, but too many bitches pull or the connection just drops and either you get punished for having a connection drop (not pulling), or the person that does pulled keeps you from ranking up and doesn't get punished. Soul Calibur was fun, but as much as I like Algol and Hilde, they were fucked up, along with a few other things. HDR was great imo, but the animations were rather choppy I thought. Sega could really bust out and become a real threat to the other FGs out there.

I mean SNK died, was resurrected, and still supports their fans and are (finally) fixing their act up with bringing good games with a good netcode and more importantly a good system.

 

Somehow i get the feeling Sega is going to botch this whole thing. They got into the console market too soon (before fighting games took off again here recently), they are going to set on the fence too long. And finally, finally, finally they are going to give us VF5FS too late.

They'll probably release it on the tail end of this fighting game renaisance, against the wrong competition, as they are unveiling VF6 on their arcade platforms to alienate those of us who still care. Ohh, and we'll see another neutered version of the console game, short of all the bells and whistles (such as customizable options) as what we see in the vids.

Okay, i didn't want to let tony be the only pessimistic one in this thread.



Morale of the story: just as bad to be too late to market as it is too early. Sega needs better leadership. (is anyone surprised their ship sank in the console market? nope.)

p.s. on the bright side, if all this comes to pass, at least we'll get a new VF to play for awhile, lol.

 

On that side note, after Fighting Vipers, Last Bronx, Sonic Fighters and Toy Fighter, I don't think Sega wants to risk another fighting game that adds to what looks like a genre which is quickly getting saturated again. Capcom spent a lot of time competing with itself back in the 90's and i think Sega would like to avoid that.

However, I'd still like Sega to make Dark Edge 2.

 

I dunno why people keep putting the whole blame on Sega? If VF5 sold as badly on PS3 and 360 as has been said then that's obviously the reason there was no R on console. Great sales would likely have guaranteed console R and FS the way other popular series get yearly updates. The only thing you can blame Sega for is maybe not pushing the game enough. It's a vicious circle though, game does badly it's gets less of a push and ends up doing even worse than before. Tekken 6 console came out after the hype generated by SF4 yet the sales were supposedly well below expectations.

As for the arcade argument I'm sure their the ones that know if arcade only is making them worthwhile money or not. If FS comes out on console there can be a comparison.

The most successful fighters I think have been SF4 and SC4. The SF name is very strong, it got a lot of hype and there hadn't been an SF game for a long time. SC4 had iconic Star Wars characters. Blazblue also did quite well I think due to it's netplay. Not sure how well others have fared but those games had something stand out to make them a success. Not sure what VF5FS will do to distinguish itself especially if it comes out at the same time as MVC3.

 

Tekken 6 was hurt by a really poor online experience when it was released, they did their best to fix it later but the damage was already done. BB nailed it on day one and reaped the benefits.

I think the blame clearly rests on SEGA for playing it safe and choosing Daisy Fuentes Pilates over R. Bad decision after bad decision. They do know how much they make in the arcades but they don't know how a console version would sell, if done right, cause they haven't done it right since VF4.

Again Daisy Fuentes Pilates over VF5R. Your reasoning doesn't hold water IMO.

 

Don't even know what Daisy Fuentes is but maybe it actually sells well for them? Some great niche games just don't go over well with the public and never get seen again. Where's Shenmue 3, Outrun 3, Panzer Dragoon or House of the Dead 4/Virtua Cop 3 console ports? Namco actually did something similar with Tekken just the reverse since they didn't bring the original T6 to console so many players had a long wait.

Don't know how much effort was put behind the marketing of VF5 360 but it seems like they tried hard with the game itself adding good online play, much better AI, better practice mode etc and it still failed which must be deflating for them. Wasn't there a podcast where someone had talked to Sega reps and said VF5 on 360 had sold so badly he was convinced there'd never be another one?

Things have changed now since the PS3/360 market has grown much bigger and fighters seem to be a lot more popular but I'm still worried about how well VF5FS could do. It's not called Street Fighter, it doesn't have popular iconic characters and it's viewed as a hard game with little flash. I hope it does do really well or else the same thing could happen with VF6 if it ever gets made.

 

from that moment on i was convinced.

 

I do now
http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2009/05/18/just-announced-daisy-fuentes-pilates/

 

The whole VF popularity thing has always seemed like a chicken or the egg problem when I look at the way some of you argue over it.

Tony makes the only worthwhile statement to me. "VF is simply not as popular." SF4 pulled back huge crowds because there was a huge crowd waiting to be pulled back. VF, despite its early success, never reached the heights of popularity and cultural significance SF had. So even a very good console port would not suddenly bring masses of players to the game as nobody recognizes the name. In fact I VF5 Online brought way more interest than I had expected.

Here's where I think it went wrong: VF1 and 2 weren't able to convert their audience into enough loyal fans for the series to easily thrive in the West. The Dreamcast only VF3TB sealed the deal by breaking the chain for a lot of casually lingering players.

BB and GG have the anime angle going for them. But I think the game has a lot of 'dead' copies sold. I see them lying around second hand all over the place.

The situations surrounding the various fighters are extremely different and pulling VF out simply isn't as simple as putting out a good console port and whipping out some flashy marketing. Frankly it'd need a lightning strike.

ps.
No I'm not the most positive person you'll ever meet.

pps.
Shoju's link makes me even more depressed, no mention of VF whatsoever there.

 

Vortigar That link has nothing to do with any VF announcement. It doesn't disprove a new console VF.

 

I'm going to prove just how bad Sega is at marketing.

Did you know that Sega has a brand new fighting game coming out in about two weeks?

Tournament of Legends

I rest my case.

 

Good call, I had never heard of it at all until just now.

What is wrong with them? They'll eventually just fail all together cause they really are THAT bad with marketing and promotion.

I still maintain that SEGA of America is one of the weakest outfits in all of gaming. Seth Killian completely destroys SEGA of America by HIMSELF.

 

I've never even heard of that game until now.

 

Tournament of Legends reminds me of WarGods and Dark Rift.