Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

EDIT: Edited because Sal gave me a BJ. Originally I said "Sal is just jealous because he's not on any list", which we joked around on IRC about that it will be fun who says this first. So I did it just to take the fun out of it and Sal got mad and wanted me to edit, I unzipped my pants and said "you know what you got to do"

Well, now that someone actually posted that he's just jealous, I thought I'd share.

 

LOL no fair, you were not supposed to win the -guess who will be the first one to say that - contest in vfhome, someone else will say it

dam it jen! grr

ok im out, lets move on

 

personally, i don't think its bad for these to pop up every now and then. on one hand, sudden, you make some viable points.

But on the other hand, there is still a very slow and late-coming trickle of new eyes to this site, and new fingers to joysticks to play vf5. They'll click on this list, see names, and then come upon them in player matches. It enriches their experience of competition, as well as lets them know who is elite, who might be elite, or at the very least, who is held in high esteem.

I know when i first started out, seeing lists like these, and then coming across those combatants in ranked or player always held a special thrill.

 

You OL' HATIN' ASS NIGGA!!!

Nah but relly STFU!!!!! lmao i just had to fuck with you son.

You want somebody to stroke your ego my man?

There's nothing wrong with this tread. Sometimes we need to give props where its due. Some Got better and some still ain't shit.
for the one who got better ill let them know the are on the right track. Shit i don't even like Cozby but i give him his credit in stepping his shit up. Whats about you though? Where you at with it on Live? or something for that matter.

 

I need to shoot a line to some nurses; too much rec-time apparently.

 

I don't feel like Richard is in the top ten, but there is some video evidence out there of why he should be in the conversation.

 

i won't list ten, but the best people i've played are dennis, renzo and sebo.

maybe coz would be on there if we played offline some time.

 

YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

First off, I want to thank everbody who put up their list. It's insighful to know who other players personally think are the top 10 players outside of Japan. In their own perspective books.

I find it unique and interesting how different minds work. You can give everybody one question and they will usually interpret it and look at it differently. It's awesome!

Some had a serious list, some didn't.
Jeneric wondered why Danny13 (an awesome player) was not on anybody's list.
Sebo mentioned the players in his scene who he thinks are not given their due (agreed) but then he stated that he didn't mention them because nothing would "happen".
Some people stated that 10 wasn't enough.
Some people wondered why they weren't mentioned.

Sal, it's cool bro, it's a personal list. Not a "scientifically proven" list. It's not a "ego stroking" list.
What I ask you is, what do you play for? What do you think most players play for? Somebody quoted Konjou in their sig: "I think we all secretly play to be the best.". I believe this. I believe that a list such as this can keep changing and evolving depending on the individual and the growth and emmergence of new players. Actual gameplay discussions? Isn't that what's going in most other threads in the Dojo section? How about some actual talk of who has stepped up their game and who's on top now.
Oh, wait, that can't happen. Cuz then we would be "ego stroking". I think it's wrong to not talk about or even acknowledge other player's skills and growth. Perfect example: Chief Flash. This dude wasn't on anybody's list 5 years ago, look at him now. Maybe we shouldn't talk about how far he's come. How he's one of the best players in the US right now Why? That's my question to you Sal, why not talk about who's the best right now?
Let me try and yomi your answer (lol), because it's irrevelant? Because it's not chalk-full of substance and applicable material? Does every VF talk on VFDC have substance and/or applicable material? No. They don't. Some are for entertainment purposes. Here's what this thread is for, again:
To find out who other players, in their own personal opinion, consider to be the top 10 current VF players outside of Japan. If I could fit all of that into the title, I would have renamed the thread that.

Then you've got a dedicated player like Plague and his reply.
Plague would like to be one of the top 10 VF players outside of Japan (personally, I think he's one of the best Akiras in America). I like that. He works hard on his game cuz he wants to be one of the best.
I would like to be one of the best too. Not just mentioned on somebody's list cuz they're being generous, cuz they think I'm cool or cuz I put up flashy vids with American style abare madness... but because I stepped my game up, because I am actually playing better than I currently am now... and they actually believe that I'm one of the best.

I don't want to "hear it" cuz it would make me feel better. I want to "accomplish" it. Like Flash did. Like Adam did. Like Yosuke did.
I'm far from that level of play but I know it's doable.

I make no apologies for not putting you (anybody) on my list. Even if you made a list and put me in it. I'm not going to put you on my list cuz you put me on yours. This isn't myspace and we're not teeny boppers.
Stop thinking something is going to or has to "happen" cuz you have a top 10 player list in your mind.
Let's keep it real VF fam:
We all have a Top VF player list in our minds.
I'm just trying to find out who's on your list. I don't mind debating on why "X player" is on whoever's list but, please, undertand that it's a personal top 10 list.
Thanks again and I admit that Danny 13 deserves to be on my top 10... but then that would knock Konjou/DaBadSeed off... the question is, do I think that Danny13 a better player than both Konjou and DaBadSeed?
The answer is: yes.
They're both cool cats but I'm being honest. I think Danny13 would beat both Konjou and DaBadSeed in a best 2 out of 3 if they played offline.

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

This seems fun so I will state my opinion about the lists. Theirs a reason why I wouldn't put Danny13, Rikkochan (I think its spelled) or Shinz on my Personal list. Why? because I never personally played these people before so it's impossible for me to judge their skill level without having the chance to actually play them. A person needs to play an opponent to personally experience their habits or true play styles. Merely watching a tourney match between Adam and Danny13 isn't enough, hell even watching more vids of Danny13 playing wouldn't be enough, I would have to play him myself. I remember at EVO when Itazan almost lost to a Lei Fei scrub (I would say this was his closest match in that tournament) now if that match was on youtube people would jump to conclusions and say "ok this Lei Fei must be really good I mean he almost beat a strong player in a tournament" it means nothing unless you test them out for yourself. When watching Japanese vids they were so good I knew they were better then me however I didn't have an understanding just how big the gap was until I played them it's hard to gauge true skill without experiencing it.

That thread that Jackyfan created made me understand that he definitely knows how to play VF but it's not enough for me to decide if he really is that strong to hang with the best here. So now I will present who I think is the best based on my personal experiences (note: the list is based on those I've only played offline or had a really good connection so some names like Jhow77 I cannot confirm as of yet since we don't have a really good connection)

1.Yosuke (I have a harder time against Yosuke then Adam)

2.Adam Yuki (We go back and forth in casuals and tournaments but hes still a scary fuck that finds a way to always win)

3.Cidkid (Switchnation rival can use a lot of characters at equal level still the best ellien I've seen despite him not using her much)

4.Konjou ( His style out of everyone on the list including Adam is a counter to mines I can't freestyle as much as I can against him due to harder movement patterns but his offensive patterns put him lower then Cidkid)

5.Gentlemen theft(It was hard for me to decide this especially since I put him a step up from Flash but the reason was really due to the fact that he can use several characters good while Flash just uses Wolf I have a slightly harder time against GT then Flash)

6.Flash (Flash is strong against a lot of opponents I have problems with he has a higher success rate against Konjou then I do. However, against me or Cidkid he seems to move at a slower pace not fighting us the way he is accustomed to really destroying opponents)

7.Dennis201 (hes good with a lot of characters all at a decent level overall someone like him I know is looking at my habits.

8.Slide (Doesn't play anymore but when you look at the people I've played as of late its hard for me to argue why he shouldn't be on the list)

9.Betabow (been months since I played him but good)

10.LA Akria (been too long since I played him but good shun)

Why is Myke,Renzo,Shang,Ice-9 not on the list? sure I played them but its been too long since I played them, over three years to be exact so this is my current list of top 10 not a list I would of made 3 years ago.

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

^ Pretty much why i've not posted a list, there's far too many people I haven't played here to have much of an opinion.

I feel that Xbox live isn't a good way to judge this either, you and a few others can pwn me all day but it's hard to compare to the small amount of decent players i've played offline.

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

ps. I do think Danny13 is better than anybody on this site.

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japa

Why not, everyone else is doing it.

1. Dabadseed. Toughest opponent i've fought, but it was a long time ago when i was not as experienced as i am now. But i've seen no less than a nasty aoi, lion, pai, and goh from him.

2. Denkai. He's a decent jacky Reputation well earned.

3. Lucky GT. I have had some good sets against him, but he has completely beasted me too many times to think otherwise.

4. Konjou. It's easy to forget the force of nature that is his akira when he's using lei all the time.

5. Rikkojjang. I don't know how much the lag effects us, it's certainly there, but thru it, he still brings a special level of destruction.

6. Texaslion. One badass lion.

7. Samuraishun1911 (spelling, maybe i will edit it later). A japanese lau that is very nuts and bolts. Best lau i have faced.

That is a list of the elite players i have faced.

Honorable mention:
8? Chief flash. I have a feeling u fully belong on the list above, and i just had a few fortunate sets against you the times we have managed to play. We are just one set of you drubbing me badly away from me easily putting u on the list

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

I agree with your opinions/views about how to list your top 10, well said!

Personally, I follow what Denkai mentioned above(except the order), but I would take Yosuke out of my list cuz he still belongs to next level.
Other than that, I definitely put Denkai into and I'd list Slide and GT on the same spot cuz seriously sometimes I can't recognize who I play with.

Myke and MasaRed are the rest players I'd like to mention. All the players are from VFDC and I think it's pretty much for me and people can tell who they are.

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

Denkai, Dennis and everybody else here who thinks that you have to play somebody to choose who you think would win in a fight between player A versus player B:

When you guys watch a boxing match or an MMA fight, how do you know who's going to win?
Some people take a look at both fighter's stats, what they know about them and based off of the vids they've seen or their W/L record, etc.
Some people just take an educated/uneducated guess.

But the bottom line is, if you were to bet on who would win, would your top 10 list beat out my top 10 list?
That's what I mean by the best, even though I haven't played Rikojjang, I'm pretty sure that he would beat Yosuke.
Why?
Just look at the guy's stats, who has he fought, his performances, his competition, who's CURRENTLY more active, etc.

People say that you can't judge skill of of a video/stats. Can you apply that logic to a real boxing/MMA match? No, because that's all we have to go off of, what are you going to do? Step into a ring/octagon to "measure" their strength? Again, no. You watch that vid and you think "wow, this guy is strong" or "this guy is weak" or "he just got lucky". They say styles make fights but regardless, it's not that hard to figure out that Anderson Silva would crush Chael Sonnen and his big mouth, lol. If Silva lost, Sonnen would pull AN UPSET.

Denkai, you said that a noob Lei almost beat Itazan. If that noob would've won, he would've pulled AN UPSET. Why?
Cuz everybody's expecting Itazan to win.
It's that simple, who do you think is going to win? A Lei noob, or Itazan?
My money's on Itazan to win... and if he loses, that would be UNEXEPCTED.

Listen to real fighters when they get interviewed. They'll be the first to admit that inside that cage/ring, anything can happen and anybody can get knocked out, at any given moment and time, boom! It's lights out.
BUT, they still will tell you who they think is likely to win a fight.
Randy Coutoure likes both Rashad Evans and Rampage Jackson but he thinks that Rashad's going to win that fight.
My money's on Rampage.

Do I have get inside an octagon and fight both these guys to know which one's stronger and/or which one's going to win?
No. Fuck THAT.
You make a choice, using whatever logic you have and go with it. If you don't know ANYTHING about either one or both of the fighters then, obviously, it would be very hard to make a choice. You would just have to guess. But when two fighters who haven't fought (or even if they have fought and it's been a while since they fought) step into the arena, spectators will usually have an idea of who they think will win.
Yes, anything can happen, anybody can get knocked out at anytime but, best out of 3, tourney scenario, who would win?
Danny 13 or Konjou?
Or how about Rikojjang vs Yosuke?
Myke vs Shinz?

It ain't rocket science, who do you think, obviously based on what you know about these FIGHTERS, would win?

 

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I remember you saying that Flash was going to beat me in the first to 10 for sure but it didn't come close to happening. You can't assume who can beat who when the skill levels are close. Remember VF is all about conditioning and exploiting habits don't compare a game to real life sports its just a bad analogy imo. Rikkojjang does not seem all that great to say "he can beat Yosuke" what vids are you even looking at to come up with this conclusion? surly I hope you aren't biasing your opinions based on laggy XBL matches vs him..I hope not, if so then I don't think that's an accurate reading.

The only one that played Rikkojjang to my knowledge was Flash. I played Rikko on XBL a few times but we had no bars and from playing him do I think he was better then Yosuke? no hell I won more games..but I'm not basing that simply because hes in china and I'm in America it wouldn't be fair to base skill lvl's based on that

 

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I stop reading right there.... only to catch myself and say "oh shit it's Tony speaking" LOL!!!

Not my Nigga Floyd Son lmao.

Rikko probably got some shit but i don't think he can manhandle Yosuke.. I mean i could but....Ya Know.......... thats me.
Myke Vs Shinnz... I'm run with Myke on this one fuck the bullshit (You better not let me down Myke.)

 

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hands down no way, shape or form, is he stronger than yosuke. rikko and shinz are beatable to me. denkai or cidkid is stronger than both i think. yosuke level is the next level i'd like to achieve to be honest...

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japan

Tony,
You misunderstand what I mean. Rikojjang is very strong, but please don't overrate his ability. I don't know how you judge Rikojjang(on XBL?) and if you drag his tag into top10, I can tell you there are at least 10 more players above him.

If you want to give those top players(outside of Japan) pressure, you need to reach Adam's or Denkai's level. That's the terms.

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japa

You can't expect a child that bangs on pots and pans to appreciate mozart. Denkai give me my frying pan back cause I can't create art on an empty stomach

I'm not gonna make a list. Seriously there's TOO many people, but my top is def yosuke cuz he is beyond beyond.

 

Re: YOUR Top 10 current VF players outside of Japa

QFT.

OMG, I was *gulp* wrong? I... I chose another fighter over you, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings buddy I won't speak out of line again

Again, my bad. I was sure that I did not assume, since it makes an ass out of u and me... I was pretty certain I MADE A CHOICE as to which one of you would win. If this OFFENDED you or anybody here, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry

Seriously? Please, tell me again what I can and can't do. Please tell me and others how we can't form an opinion because only "the elite" who have played all of these players can "speak".
This is for all of you out there who can't play ANYBODY cuz you either don't have XBL and/or can't afford to go to a gathering:
Don't let other members here tell you what you can and can't do. Guys, I assume it's mostly FELLAS here, right? There's this thing hanging underneath your penis, that's your nuts. Grab them shits from time to time and AND SPEAK YOUR MIND. If you guys want to say "fuck you, tony" Then fucking say it.
Denkai, I remember you were one of the guys advocating more HYPE on this forum. I make this thread and guys like you come and kill it with this PC and sensitive crap. C'mon son! Get the fuck outta here. Let's get some fucking hype going son. Did I hurt your feelings too when I said that I "think" that Rikojjang may be better than Yosuke now? I'm not trying to disrespect Yosuke (or anybody for that matter) I'm just speaking my mind. It's one thing to tell me that you think my top 10 list is wack but it's another thing to tell me that I can't form an opinion without having played some players. No, fuck that. Not only do I have an opinion (as wrong or right as it may be) but so do a lot of other players.
Who here doubts that Homestay Akira is a strong player? Who? Chime in. Umm, have you played Homestay Akira? Most people on this forum have NOT played Homestay Akira, but guess what? EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT HOMESTAY AKIRA IS STRONG. Hello? Fucking duh

Denkai, have you ever fought? In real life? I used to box and I stayed quiet in this thread for a little bit hoping somebody else other than me would chime in and point out how wrong you are here but it seems that once a really good player speaks here, the conversation is pretty much over. "Well, if Denkai says it, it must be true" Give me a fucking break There are way too many members here who are WAY TOO SENSITIVE. Look, Denkai may be a good VF player but that don't mean he can't be wrong

This is a valid OPINION. It doesn't mean you're right, it just means that YOU (and a lot of other people) think like this. I'm not going to shoot down your opinion because what Flash wrote makes it even more valid that Yosuke IS a better player than Rikojjang but...
THIS IS WHAT I WANTED. THIS^ To get some talk going about who's the top 10 and why.

For the record, I was not using his performances against me on XBL... alone. Although, I did find it hard just to win A ROUND against him (something that's not as difficult for me against Yosuke) here's a bit of my logic:
Rikojjang has been a lot more active than Yosuke for a while now and I figured that he may have reached Yosuke's level or maybe even surpassed it since Yosuke is in the U.S. and Rikojjang is in China/Korea and MIGHT be getting really good local comp on a more regular basis than Yosuke. OBVIOUSLY, I MAY BE WRONG. I don't mind being wrong. And, obviously, I don't mind having an opinion and expressing it.

It's not always assumptions man, if you want to call it that, that's fine, whatever. Go tell a bookie that what he uses to make his odds are just "assumptions". Look, we can agree to disagree because ultimately, this is just MY OPINION but I think that EVERYBODY MAKES A CHOICE IN THEIR MINDS AS TO WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE AT LEAST AN EDGE IN THE FIGHT. Is it really that wrong, people? C'mon fam, who do you think could beat who and why? Don't be scared

Again, it's a PERSONAL list. So if you want it to be a list of:
Top 10 you've played offline.
So be it.

Top 10 you've played online.
So be it.

Top 10 you've watched fight.
So be it.

Make it personal. And FUCK what other people have to say about your list. It's YOUR personal list.