Unlimited Cheap Move/Strategies Online?

Discussion in 'General' started by masterpo, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. MDSPrime

    MDSPrime Grappler & Part time Ninja

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    My point was that people who like to spam can give it but don't handle it too well when you do it back to them, I only played Tekken 6 for about a month or so and then quit playing it when ssf4 came out, not much experience but certainly enough to recognise that if I'm forced to defend against the same attack
    literally 10 times in a row and even after I punish it they continue doing it anyway I think that should be considered as spam, highly ranked players were doing this frequently when I played it, I dont think it was conditioning I think they were just lasy players who thought I was free, after I beat them they would always be hating on me, accusations of being 'cheap', 'kick spammer' and 'throw masher' etc. were always made, like I said before if these players cant defend properly thats their problem not mine.
     
  2. Manjimaru

    Manjimaru Grumpy old man

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    Oh they do work, given enough lag.
     
  3. MarlyJay

    MarlyJay Moderator - 9K'ing for justice. Staff Member Gold Supporter

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    My post wasn't directed at you, but if you only played for a month then I’m guessing neither you nor your opponents were that good and if they’re complaing about spam then they were probably also ignorant.

    During the first 6 weeks or so of Tekken the online was horribly broken and a lot of players who actually know what they were doing just didn't bother to play. Being high Ranked online does not make someone a good player and that has never been as true as in the first couple months of Tekken 6 after release. A lot of the high ranked people were people doing things made unpunishable by lag. Their actions were justified by the crappy netcode and once it was fixed they either changed the way they played or lost continuously. It’s up to each player to adapt and overcome. Unless your opponent is doing something truly gamebreaking (2p dbl plm combo? LoL), then i don’t see any reason for complaints.

    Unrelated to all that, in VF and Tekken, if i'm playing against someone who doesn't know what they're doing i may do something like elbow (CH)>elbow (CH)>elbow(CH)...Ad infinitum(replace elbow with Roger’s df+4 or 2,1 for Tekken). Been called a spammer many a time for this, but is it? I’m just riding the counter hit wave. 2,1 is high mid, very fast and neutral on block. It’d be hard to get away with it more than a couple times against a half decent player, but if it works, why change? Maybe the person being accused of spam is so much better they can win doing the same move continuously.
     
  4. masterpo

    masterpo VF Martial Artist Bronze Supporter

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    @Signia
    @MDSPrime

    Your honesty is well appreciated[/size]. Lag Tactics [​IMG] That's actually pretty good. And sometime spamming is used to teach poor players how to step up their game (I didn't know that). So Signia, MDSPrime do you only use spamming against
    scrubs, or noobs, or is your spamming and lag tactics sucessful against high level players?
    [/size]

    So its as I thought would be the case originally. There is offline Kung Fu and now you need a new online Kung Fu to deal with Lag Tactics and spamming [​IMG] Because offline techniques don't work against some of the things that are possible online.

    I still go back and forth on how I feel about people who take advantage of lag spamming to win, I'm not really complaining. I was just shocked, amused, and amazed at how many ways you could do it in Tekken 6. I have 4 or 5 hundred ranked matches in SCIV and I haven't seen anything near like what i've seen in Tekken 6 [​IMG]
     
  5. Dennis0201

    Dennis0201 Well-Known Member

    This topic is about playing "online" so obviously anything could happen~

    Blaming those spammers won't help either you or them level up because they still don't get it.
     
  6. Signia

    Signia Member

    Damn Po, you make me not want to pick up Tekken.

    I only use lag tactics (in SCIV/VF5) when I'm losing because my opponent is using them as the base of their strategy (even then, only on the last round in a ranked match). Regularily using them myself would just give me bad habits. SCIV lag tactics are so ridiculous and obvious to high level (online..) players that whenever noobs join our room and use them we get a laugh ("Nice mixups bro!").

    Spamming against my toughest opponents though? Depends on your definition. Same two attacks in a row? All the time. Three throws in a row? Sure! As long as it would work offline, anything goes. That's what makes it fun: both players are doing everything they can to win (lag tactics not included).
     
  7. Shadowdean

    Shadowdean Well-Known Member

    Time to upgrade the 38.8k modem....
     
  8. pleportamee

    pleportamee Well-Known Member

    I've been playing online ever since Namco released the patch.

    People will certainly resort to the "cheapest" "spammiest" tactics to win, especially in a ranked match. Due to the nature of the game, Tekken noobs are generally more dangerous than VF noobs. (Mashing will get you a little further at the noob level in Tekken)

    However, once you start getting good, the so called "cheap" stuff people attempt becomes laughable. You'll be more annoyed that you can't find decent competion more than anything else.

    If higher ranked players are getting the best of you with the same moves over and over again, you're not adapting enough for them to do something new.

    For example, I've got head games that go 4 or 5 levels deep with some moves I do, but some players never get past the first layer.

    It takes two talented players to experince higher level play. Otherwise, someone's just getting their ass kicked.
     
  9. Slide

    Slide Well-Known Member

    Some viable offline strategies actually become lag tactics and even stronger, online.

    I'm not talking about spamming or anything though... or am I talking about that too?
     
  10. pleportamee

    pleportamee Well-Known Member

    Yeah, some moves like throws or quick lows become alot more effective online. Alot of the tournament goers avoid online completely. Tekken's netcode is pretty crappy compared to VF's.

    However, despite the crappy netcode, I don't think there's anything that would keep a truly good player down online. You'll lose to some shady tactics every now and then,(Due to lag and not the tactics themselves) but with enough practice it really shouldn't be happening all the time.
     
  11. MarlyJay

    MarlyJay Moderator - 9K'ing for justice. Staff Member Gold Supporter

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    I don't think that this is true anymore for Ranked. My reasoning is because of the say it's set up you can play ranked matches and only play against people with good connections. This isn't always possible with VF as if everyone searches and no one hosts, no one plays.

    It's just the nature of Tekken. The mix up is Mid/Low, rather than Mid/Throw. It also lacks VFs input buffer, so 3 frames of lag could stop you punishing, where as in VF, you'd put the input in early and wouldn't miss.

    VF is also low on strings that switch from mid to low. You rarely need to visually check and duck mid string. The are fairly common in Tekken though. It's the design of the game (Tekken) that tends to be broken in lag, rather than the netcode breaking the game.

    I do agree that good players should still be able to deal with stuff though, as i've said already.
     

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