VF4 Evolution Media from am.sega.jp

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Ha! The only reason I do watch the vids is because I'm hoping that this time he will lose. Only he doesn't. I just like to see the underdog win is all. That's just me though.

 

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Hell, I wish Chibita played every character so I could see the max flow potential with every character. Half the time it looks like he's fighting to entertain himself more than trying to beat his opponents. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chibita makes VF look like art.

 

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you know, I also like to root for the underdog; but, in this case, I think that Chibita's play deserves all the attention it gets. Especially after meeting him at Evo and getting to play with him. There's not another player like him, and whoever said he's like "having fun while winning" or whatever the comment was is right. Chibita usually has a giant smile on his face as he plays.

I remember when Michael Jordan was in his hey-day, I was always wanting one of the other teams to win the NBA finals, like the Jazz. I'd get all pissed, like "the Bulls are a one-man team, all the other guys are just there to support Jordan, fuck the Bulls". Then a friend of mine, who knows a lot about basketball, told me that he used to feel the same way. But, then he realized that someone like that only comes along once in a lifetime, and while it's there, you should just learn to enjoy watching it, because you'll never see it again.

There may be no VF5, then this culture will die, and you won't be able to see this kind of thing again. VF is the best fighting game there is. Chibita is the best VF player there is. To me, in this culture of fighting games, watching Chibita's play is like watching the scene in the movie the Matrix when Neo realizes that he can go beyond the rules, then starts fighting Agent Smith with one hand, not even looking at him. That's how I felt playing him, that he was just enjoying watching what I was trying to do, letting me do it a little, until I though that maybe I had him... then, totally turning the tables completely into some insane combo or set-up, and just smiling as it all unfolds.

Anyway, last that match with the other Lion player (not pe) shows this pretty well. Just enjoy it.

Spotlite

 

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Nicely said Spotlite.

The first clip I watched him play in VF was an unforgettable one. It's like he's trying to use every move in the book. He's the only one who I've seen use the "off the wall" moves during heated situations. I was insipred enough to move from Sarah to Lion as main characters, and it's his play that most of my moves are based on... trying to anyway.

And his style is pleasing to the eye, yeah, like artwork. It's never dull when he plays... unlike some matches with Napoleon.

He's an example of a perfect synergy of mind and hand.

Anyone remember his match with Yoro Kage in the Green Book DVD? Talk about toying around with your opponent.

 

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Just accept the fact that he's good. Hell, a 70% player from Japan could probably own most 80% players stateside, so these aren't scrubs he's beating. And to my knowledge, he's only won one major tourney (this past Evo), so he is human. But Chibita is damn good at playing vf, just face it /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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actually the reason why i think he won this tourney and why he'd win others as well is because of the tourney format.

i've never agreed with the way the japanese conduct tournies. a simple one match single elimination like at the last national tournye (which minami akira won) is totally pointless and IMO totally meaningless as well. anyone of competent skill can win one match easily even on a fluke if he catches a better player with some good 50/50 mixups (which VF is chock full of compared to other fighting game, and i mean that as a compliment). hence imo adapting in VF requires more mental skill then other fighting games as well and its just not possible to adapt fast enough within one match.

if the japanese tournies had best of five matches throughout their tournemants or at the very least, best of three's, i'm damn sure players like chibita, ohsu and homestay would be winning damn near every tourney out there. minami akira and napoleon jacky are good players but the tournemants they won didn't measure who the best player was and i cetainly don't consider them in the same class as ohsu and chibita. if they were to play first to twenty win type scenarios against each other i'd bet on ohsu or chibita everytime. they might win a few matches but i'm positive they'd never win the series. the same applies to all the tournies sega hosts. anyone can win one match and temporary glory. what takes real skill is winning consistently and regularly which is why i respect chibita as the far better player then the ones i just mentioned above.

 

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Actually, being able to beat your skilled opponent in one go might also showcase how good you are (We're talking about people who passed qualifiers that separated them from the rest of the crowd). What tells you that the winner didn't learn the ways of his opponent within 2 rounds and capitalized on some weaknesses to win? (The possibility is still there that he might have been lucky or something, but I guess sometimes it can be apparent from watching the match who did what and why).

The point about the 50/50 guessing games is a good one, but from what I understand there are multiple (difficult) ways to get out of most of the obvious set-ups, or at least take less damage. Didn't Minami utilize some of those to get to the top? /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also bear in mind that when you play VF in an arcade in Japan or Korea, it's not like playing with a group of friends on PS2s in a regular session. From the little experience I had, you can spend a few straight hours at an arcade and watch many different, skill-full players come and go. I am sure if anyone spends time there playing many good people randomly like that one would develop quicker sense of how people play and can react. I remember I challanged an 85+% Sarah player (From a VFLOVE team?) without using my card. The guy literally gave me about half of the first round just blocking and looking at my play, before he went on to beat me simply. Of course I am not any good for this example, but I am sure some good players there can learn their opponents in a few rounds. (I also remember seeing people playing, and then when one guy lost, he stepped up and just kept watching the other guy to see how he plays for a while before he challanges him again. So that's another way).

For me this is very hard, especially since I don't play a lot or don't get many chances to play people (^_^; ). Between July 7th and August 15th I played Evo about once a week with a few people. When there is only 3 of us playing, our matches sometimes tend to go on levels; the first bunch of matches I do something and get it right, then my friend picks it up and finds a way to diminish it, then I find another way to get in, then he tries to counter that, etc... You get the idea. That didn't happen all the time, but I am sure if 20 people were playing at our place at the same time on several machines we would become better & faster at detecting different player styles (^_^).

 

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I also just have to say I totally agree with single elimination. Like what Ju had said... usually elongated play turns into a play style exploitation fest. It becomes something totally different than what I believe a tourney match should be.
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Just accept the fact that he's good. Hell, a 70% player from Japan could probably own most 80% players stateside, so these aren't scrubs he's beating. And to my knowledge, he's only won one major tourney (this past Evo), so he is human. But Chibita is damn good at playing vf, just face it /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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actually the reason why i think he won this tourney and why he'd win others as well is because of the tourney format.

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Well one of, if not the main obstacle of playing VF is learning not only how to adapt to your opponent, but learning how to adapt to each individual opponents play style, and even so much, that you can anticipate their moves, and counter them appropriately.

I have heard Minami described as a "baiter," where he just let's his opponent slip up some how, and then he counters them effectively. Chibita was unable to adapt to Minami's play style during their match (as was Segaru to Napoleon), and so the more adaptive player won.

Saying it's unfair is not accurate imho, I mean neither Napoleon (who btw can certainly throw down with the best of the VF players, so I have absolutely no clue why anyone would doubt his abilities, I mean take a look at BunBunMaru, he has a 55%ish win ratio, but can still beat Chibita, Arashi, and many other "better" players) or Minami used anything that is outside the gameplay boundaries of arcade VF. Napoleon beat Segaru fair and square, and Minami beat his opponents (including Heruru in a best of 3 matches /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif).
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i've never agreed with the way the japanese conduct tournies. a simple one match single elimination like at the last national tournye (which minami akira won) is totally pointless and IMO totally meaningless as well. anyone of competent skill can win one match easily even on a fluke if he catches a better player with some good 50/50 mixups (which VF is chock full of compared to other fighting game, and i mean that as a compliment).

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Well, how is it a fluke that Minami won, or Napoleon, I mean was it luck that Minami beat Chibita 3-1, I my opinion, of course no. The reason why tournaments are single elimination, is that it forces you to think much quicker than it would if you were allowed to lose one or several matches, like in a double,etc. elimination tournament. You are forced to use your head alot more, and trust your instincts when you only have one shot at winning or losing, I mean in a 3 match win situation, you could potentially slack off for a match, and "learn" your opponents patterns, then come back to win.....
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what takes real skill is winning consistently and regularly which is why i respect chibita as the far better player then the ones i just mentioned above.

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So Minami having a 90% win ratio, or Napoleon having the very respectable 73%(?) win ratio, are not considered to be as good as Chibita considering that they won national tournaments......

I know that Chibita deserves much respect for his competency of VF, and his incredibly unique playstyle, but respect doesn't come with win ratio, or tournaments won. *ugh* I don't really want to clutter the AM2 thread with more non-media posts. /versus/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

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Nice post spotlite. I never thought of it that way. But I still refuse to be Yankee fan (they've been winning since the beginning of MLB, though I admit they're kinda cool).

Just one thing though,

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There may be no VF5....

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/versus/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I'm just curious, because I thought that Suzuki said VF5 would be the last in the series.

 

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http://am.sega.jp/utop/news/event/100kumi_evo14.html

Chibita vs Saibegu(Kage)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_08.asx

Chibita vs Chainatuto Q ?(Lau)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_09.asx

Chibita vs Donaki(Akira)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_10.asx

Chibita vs Gacha(Lion)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_11.asx

Chibita vs Shotin?(Sarah)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_12.asx

Chibita vs Gacha(Lion)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_13.asx

Chibita vs ?(Kage)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_14.asx

Chibita vs Segaru(Wolf)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/vfexh_0503_15.asx

 

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you know that Chibita Vs. ?(Kage) match. Kage could've won if he didn't choke on that 10 ft. throw. I guess the pressure got to him.

 

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Wow... I just think it's hilarious that after you expressed your dispair with chibita's win streak, that 8 more chibita wins are posted ... /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

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The kage player was probably looking at the wall trying to adjust his TFT combo. If chibita got a wall techroll and the kage player was still trying to finish a TFT combo, he would be whiffing a lot of moves. And we all know what chibita does with people against the wall.

 

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Sega High-Tech land (Sat. Aug 30th)
Qualification matches for "Skill look 3":
http://am.sega.jp/utop/news/vfevo_ote3/y01.html

?(Lion) vs SHU
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/ote3y01_01.asx

Yutupe(Wolf) vs OhsuAkira
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/ote3y01_02.asx

Mamuru?(Wolf) vs Baamu(Lei-Fei)
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/ote3y01_03.asx

Makochan(Pai) vs MukkiAkira
http://asx.pod.tv/am-sega/free/ote3y01_04.asx

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And result of a convention!! MukkiAkira jinx was reversed and the national ticket was gained for the first time!

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seems like AM2 likes lightning combined with akira looking evil , i wonder what kind of theme VF5 will hold /versus/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

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Mukkii Akira!!

On 8/30 vfevo posted clips
http://vfevo.com/avi_team3.htm

http://vfevo.com/movie/vfevo/vfexh_0503_02.wmv

http://vfevo.com/movie/vfevo/vfexh_0503_03.wmv

http://vfevo.com/movie/vfevo/vfexh_0503_04.wmv

http://vfevo.com/movie/vfevo/vfexh_0503_05.wmv

 

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The primary of OTENAMIHAIKEN 3 started.
32 players are chosen at 24 stores. The member gathering in the first primary is gorgeous like a national conference. MUKKIAKIRA, OOSUAKIRA, CHIBITA, homestay AKIRA, YOROKAGE, HIDEO, 8, SEGARU, ANII, Edo, jin, mask DOHIJITETSU, the GERIRA, INOTCHI, SHU, HANABIREI, punch theSEMPU, PK AKIRA, ITABASHIZANGIEFU, OOMIYAPAI
It is one MUKKI person who was advanced to the national conference from these members.



The first BUSEI confrontation was performed on August 29.
The report is reproduced from VF4BBS.
CHIBITA vsJOE.
The victory seen from the CHIBITA side was touch like OxOxOOxxOOO.
CHIBITA "if it loses, demoted" plays a game by the eighth waging war. The 4th set greeted by JOE2-CHIBITA 1. CHIBITA which JOE is made downed and turns to the reverse side by 46 K+G. Inviting lower-berth OKIKERI of JOE and jumping to the backside, a kick is taken out and it guesses splendidly. This way of thinking is BACHA God truly. The flow made it strain oneself at a stretch to CHIBITA now. JOE which the threat threw till then and has escaped from 63214 P+G of CHIBITA entirely at the rate of an omission. It is in the state where it is begun to mix a raw throw and 41236 P+G for whether was the flow changed and it became calm although it was CHIBITA which still continued taking out 63214 P+G, and most JOE(s) throw, and it escapes and cannot do. And they are three successive victories as it is. A general flow is such touch. if two persons begin a BUSEI game, it will fill with a gallery in the twinkling of an eye -- having -- a thing -- it was in the uncanny state 33K of JOE which was proud of the rate of a hit raw [ unusual ] are a brilliant word. 33K reacted to 33K omission and the one bread which NAGEKAKU is guarded, delay and read a throw -- rioting -- ; It was the way of fighting which symbolized BACHA 4. Even so, it was taking its hat off at OKIZEME of CHIBITA shown as 8 game eye.

The first BUSEI confrontation was ended with the victory (demotion of JOE) of CHIBITA.

 

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I've learned to read the distinct Japanese characters that make up the Character Names such as Jacky, Sara, Lau... etc.

I've also learned to read the distinct names of "chibita", Sega-ru, OhsuAkira, etc. I'm far from actually reading Japanese.

But can those that can read post which Akira opposed Mukki at the tournament in the finals? Is that Homestay?

For those who can't read Japanese, Chibita lost in the third round, Sega-ru lost in the quarter-finals one round later.

Can someone post the translation of the names in the brakets? Like I said, I've learned to recognize the major names, but getting a translation for the other names are impossible ie: Chibita=the thick... /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif