VF5 Ver.C Vanessa Command List

Uh, no, it's a mid punch.

 

It is a mid attack but its classified as a HP on the frame table. You should be able to sabaki it with 6p+k which only sabaki's HP and HK if this is true. Maybe its a mistake. I will try it later.

 

As KoD instructed me i actually tested this out myself: OS BT + is semicircular, same as VF4.

(It took me a while to figure out how to test this: i set the AI to evade but then i had to figure out a way to get back turned from OS. I ended up using k+g > f+p+k and then k>f+p+k running over the opponent.)

Also, OS has crouch stagger. Always had. Dunno why it's not marked in the command lists.

 

You gotta be kidding me. They couldn't just give her one fully circular in OS could they... (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif don't count). Haha, there isn't even a way to consistently enter bt state in OS...jerks...

 

Her backturned game sucks anyway, so even if there was a way to enter it there would be no point. Not everyone has a usable fully circular move, so it's no big deal.

 

There also isn't many ways to getting into BT anyway, other than DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and jumping over someone.

With that said, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and DS BT /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif aren't great, but they don't suck.

MC /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif will beat almost any attack for great damage. The range is shit, but 15 frame special high makes up for it on /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif spam.

 

While looking at past command lists in order to find things for KoD to test with his automated inputs setup i realised there's more stuff missing:

DS + has force crouch.

Force crouch is marked for , dunno why it's not marked for this move too.

+ and DS slam on air hit.

That's not marked in the command lists anymore. I guess it's by choice. I also think that OS bunker buster and bunker crusher slam on air hit but i'm not 100% sure.

I totally agree. I try to use that sequence against abare opponents. As long as i don't whiff it's only -2 on block! crazy.gif

 

....but why? Everytime you used /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is a time you could've used /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or even /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif instead, all moves that are better in every sense of the way.

Using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is just not a move with any solid use behind it, it's dependent on luck/layer 3 guesswork. Stick to what works.

 

It doesn't work? I could've sworn I've landed it before and mixed in /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif cancel> throw too. I guess I'm full of shit.

Maybe some people like to add variation?

 

I've recently realized that, contrary what's noted in the command list, does not have Super Replay. Vanessa's second move with Super Replay in DS is + , . Maybe the switch took place between ver.B and ver.C? Anyway thought i'd point it out for the command list.

Btw, any recompilatons soon?

 

Im not sure if this is a mistake or not, but I figured I'd point it out. I'm also no where near my Xbox, so I can't test it my self.


/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif in DS is listed as being mid-level, but it's class listed as being HK. This may be correct and I just didn't realize, but It seemed odd, so if someone could test it that would be awesome.

 

Bleh, who tests stuff?

 

Is Short Upper (OS) really -6 on G? It feels more like -7 or -8.

 

Nope I just couldnt fuzzy under Punches. Perhaps Im just too slow.

 

Superb job on the updates akai!

While we're at it, could somebody test DS ? I am positive i've seen it stagger opponents sometimes and i suspect it has either crouch stagger or crouchguard stagger. (Note: if somebody does test and it turns out it's only crouchstagger PM me and i'll remove the second paragraph of this post, that way we won't clutter this thread)

 

Is OS really a mid knee It sure looks like a mid kick. Can somebody test?

Meanwhile i tested some stuff on my own, although it was pretty obvious they were just typos:

DS is not a mid punch (obviously). Tested in free training mode vs Jacky set to neutral, then set to crouching. It's a high punch. I'd like also to remind you that in ver.C it has no Super Replay.

DS is not a high punch. Tested vs Jacky set to neutral. Judging from the animation, it's probably a high elbow like in VF4evo.

DS + , is not a mid punch. Tested vs Jacky set to neutral again. Most probably it's an MDP, judging from the way it animates. Reminding you that in ver.C it has Super Replay.

Finally, i just realised there's most probably an ERROR IN THE LEGEND: instead of explaining HWT the legend falsely explains HBT twice. Funny how this could have slipped all this time unnoticed crazy.gif

If HWT is indeed what i think it is (a High Wall Throw) then there's 2 additional errors in the vanessa command list: + from both stances should be noted as HWT and not just HT.